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byne wrote...

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Any chance you could send me some of those save files?

So found anything interesting?


How's this for a start?
There's what I think is a status for EDI (did you take different characters on the run?) which is different for destroy medium and high EMS:huh:


Does EDI's name appear on the memorial wall if you choose destroy? Because I've heard people say she does, but I'm 90% certain she wasnt on my memorial wall.


Actually just to state, I made a monumental ****up and got mixed up with file names :lol:

Edi is stated as being defunct in the destroy ending :(

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byne wrote...

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Does EDI's name appear on the memorial wall if you choose destroy? Because I've heard people say she does, but I'm 90% certain she wasnt on my memorial wall.


I didn't see it either. But then, the glimpse was brief, so I can have missed it. But I am also rather confident that it was absent (like EDI herself) for me.

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byne wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Any chance you could send me some of those save files?

So found anything interesting?


How's this for a start?
There's what I think is a status for EDI (did you take different characters on the run?) which is different for destroy medium and high EMS:huh:


Does EDI's name appear on the memorial wall if you choose destroy? Because I've heard people say she does, but I'm 90% certain she wasnt on my memorial wall.

I had 8500+ EMS and she did for me, she's on the left side.

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chidingewe8036 wrote...

Soverign said they are eternal, our existence is irrelevant,they are the end of everything. He also states that they have no beginning they have no end. THEY ARE PURE EVIL IN ITS PHYSICAL FORM PEOPLE oh but we get a dlc where one has the opportunity to join the team oh great yeah you guys go run along and spend money on that hope you enjoy it.

Just putting this out there, but you are exhibiting typical human nature, especially "revenge"; perhaps they are just "pure evil" and definitely need to be destroyed, but it's typical of humans to hold onto a hatred they have built up for something and not seek to find a better way to resolve the conflict, it's why wars continue as long as they have in our society, easier to point a weapon than it is to talk.

But lets think about this, the Rachni wars were brutal and we only have the word of the queen it was not their fault, how many here actually released the queen despite their history?

Just something to think about.

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Either.Ardrey wrote...

byne wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Any chance you could send me some of those save files?

So found anything interesting?


How's this for a start?
There's what I think is a status for EDI (did you take different characters on the run?) which is different for destroy medium and high EMS:huh:


Does EDI's name appear on the memorial wall if you choose destroy? Because I've heard people say she does, but I'm 90% certain she wasnt on my memorial wall.

She did on mine.


On mine, too.

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So just read this tweet by Gamble. Seems to remove one of the few pieces of IT evidence we have left.

http://twitter.com/G...402917286281216

His tweet explains why Shepard was bleeding from the same place Anderson was shot.

"Shepard got wounded pretty badly during the conduit run. Did you not notice his inability to walk for the citadel?"

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So this "theory" is still alive even after the Extended Cut DLC?

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

byne wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Any chance you could send me some of those save files?

So found anything interesting?


How's this for a start?
There's what I think is a status for EDI (did you take different characters on the run?) which is different for destroy medium and high EMS:huh:


Does EDI's name appear on the memorial wall if you choose destroy? Because I've heard people say she does, but I'm 90% certain she wasnt on my memorial wall.

She did on mine.


On mine, too.

shes on the top left. shes EDI to miss because the wall is in alphabetical order, not chronological

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Reposting links to some of my posts from last night; due to the magnitude of posts between last night and now.

First up when have the audio files of Harbinger's "save us/serve us" line:

Harbinger gradually pitch shifted
Harbinger gradually speed shifted
Harbinger gradually pitch shifted and speed up
Harbinger Reversed and gradually pitch shifted
Harbinger Reversed and gradually speed shifted
Harbinger Reversed and gradually pitch and speed shifted

So what do you guys think? Many have suggested that it's "serve us" but I've also asked outsiders (who have no idea abut mass effect) what the line is and most (if not all) of them initally think it says "save us".


Hm. Well forwards it almost sounds like there is a third syllable in there, but backwards it sounds more like "serve us" than forwards, imo. Sounds like "save" forwards and "serve" backwards.

I'm hoping there is some obvious word that would make sense here that we're just missing.

I do too, but I'm starting to wonder if BioWare have intentionally tolled us with this one. They made it so there's no definitive way to hear the word and hence ensuring that people will just start to fill in the blanks according to their own predisposition and basically hear what they want to hear. 

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byne wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Any chance you could send me some of those save files?

So found anything interesting?


How's this for a start?
There's what I think is a status for EDI (did you take different characters on the run?) which is different for destroy medium and high EMS:huh:


Does EDI's name appear on the memorial wall if you choose destroy? Because I've heard people say she does, but I'm 90% certain she wasnt on my memorial wall.


Well she was on mine and I had very high EMS. Maybe you need to have high EMS and talk to her every mission, like Cortez.

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XXIceColdXX wrote...

So just read this tweet by Gamble. Seems to remove one of the few pieces of IT evidence we have left.

http://twitter.com/G...402917286281216

His tweet explains why Shepard was bleeding from the same place Anderson was shot.

"Shepard got wounded pretty badly during the conduit run. Did you not notice his inability to walk for the citadel?"




Posted ImagePosted Image

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XXIceColdXX wrote...

So just read this tweet by Gamble. Seems to remove one of the few pieces of IT evidence we have left.

http://twitter.com/G...402917286281216

His tweet explains why Shepard was bleeding from the same place Anderson was shot.

"Shepard got wounded pretty badly during the conduit run. Did you not notice his inability to walk for the citadel?"


Without sounding like someone who's grasping at straws, but you didn't specificly say that the bleeding is not caused from Shepard shooting himself. He just suggested what some here have already suggested for an literal explaination for the bleeding.

It's nothing new, and his phrasing is important.

If he wanted to deny it, he would have done so more explicitly, like when I tweeted him whether the Destroyer on Earth let the Normandy escape, his answer was a clear "No".

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 30 juin 2012 - 11:29 .


#36013
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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

So this "theory" is still alive even after the Extended Cut DLC?


Yes. And I've read that it introduces more clues. I haven't been on here much since then but I haven't seen what these new clues are.

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XXIceColdXX wrote...

So just read this tweet by Gamble. Seems to remove one of the few pieces of IT evidence we have left.

http://twitter.com/G...402917286281216

His tweet explains why Shepard was bleeding from the same place Anderson was shot.

"Shepard got wounded pretty badly during the conduit run. Did you not notice his inability to walk for the citadel?"




I think I'll tweet back asking "Did you not notice your inability to animate Shepard convincingly enough to emphasie this wound?"

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paxxton wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

So just read this tweet by Gamble. Seems to remove one of the few pieces of IT evidence we have left.

http://twitter.com/G...402917286281216

His tweet explains why Shepard was bleeding from the same place Anderson was shot.

"Shepard got wounded pretty badly during the conduit run. Did you not notice his inability to walk for the citadel?"




Posted ImagePosted Image


Funny how I was saying the same thing for months....;)

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EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Any chance you could send me some of those save files?

So found anything interesting?


How's this for a start?
There's what I think is a status for EDI (did you take different characters on the run?) which is different for destroy medium and high EMS:huh:


Does EDI's name appear on the memorial wall if you choose destroy? Because I've heard people say she does, but I'm 90% certain she wasnt on my memorial wall.


Well she was on mine and I had very high EMS. Maybe you need to have high EMS and talk to her every mission, like Cortez.

I think she dies no matter what and not appearing is a glitch. I had high EMS and I talked to her between every mission (as well as taking her on a few) and she still ended up on my wall :?

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EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

So just read this tweet by Gamble. Seems to remove one of the few pieces of IT evidence we have left.

http://twitter.com/G...402917286281216

His tweet explains why Shepard was bleeding from the same place Anderson was shot.

"Shepard got wounded pretty badly during the conduit run. Did you not notice his inability to walk for the citadel?"




Posted ImagePosted Image


Funny how I was saying the same thing for months....;)


And yet you never once convincingly explained why she only starts bleeding heavily after she sits down. ;)

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MaximizedAction wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

So just read this tweet by Gamble. Seems to remove one of the few pieces of IT evidence we have left.

http://twitter.com/G...402917286281216

His tweet explains why Shepard was bleeding from the same place Anderson was shot.

"Shepard got wounded pretty badly during the conduit run. Did you not notice his inability to walk for the citadel?"


Without sounding like someone who's grasping at straws, but you didn't specificly say that the bleeding is not caused from Shepard shooting himself. He just suggested what some here have already suggested for an literal explaination for the bleeding.

It's nothing new, and his phrasing is important.

If he wanted to deny it, he would have done so more explicitly, like when I tweeted him whether the Destroyer on Earth let the Normandy escape, his answer was a clear "No".


If you mean Harbinger, then he's right, he didn't let them escape. The Normandy is not an easy target like foot soldiers and tanks. There were swarms of them running to the beam. One man goes up and the reapers are screwed. If you listen to the sound in the background while Shepard says goodbye, you'll here the explosions and reaper beams going off.

Unless you guys think Hammer stopped and stood still while the Normandy picked up two people and resumed after they were good?

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MaximizedAction wrote...

*snip*

If he wanted to deny it, he would have done so more explicitly, like when I tweeted him whether the Destroyer on Earth let the Normandy escape, his answer was a clear "No".

Wait Harbinger didn't let the Normandy escape on purpose ? It's really an incoherence ?

Bil Casey made a valid point on another thread about this, though : "It would have been completely stupid for Harbinger to destroy the Normandy since the brat couldn't use EDI as leverage" (paraphrasing)... Not to speak about Shep getting pretty mad after loosing her squadmates (and eventually her LI)...

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how would a harbinger boss fight work anyway? He would have to have max health, armor, shields, and barrier. even if you are using specific ammunition against his barrier for example it takes a while to bring each down. you have to avoid laser shots and reaper stomps, and there are different phases where he causes you to hallucinate. idk just wondering..

carry on

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byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

So just read this tweet by Gamble. Seems to remove one of the few pieces of IT evidence we have left.

http://twitter.com/G...402917286281216

His tweet explains why Shepard was bleeding from the same place Anderson was shot.

"Shepard got wounded pretty badly during the conduit run. Did you not notice his inability to walk for the citadel?"




Posted ImagePosted Image


Funny how I was saying the same thing for months....;)


And yet you never once convincingly explained why she only starts bleeding heavily after she sits down. ;)

Not trying to sound like a jerk, but I tried. I'll quote a line by Chris Rock from the movie Dogma.

"I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea, changing a
belief is trickier. Life should be malleable and progressive; working
from idea to idea permits that. Beliefs anchor you to certain points and
limit growth; new ideas can't generate. Life becomes stagnant."

If you believe IT so strongly, it's hard for any suggestions and evidence present to convince you otherwise.

Now again, why did he bleed like that? He was already bleeding and you could see it getting worse as time progresses. I posted pics showing the progress of his blood running down his arms. Also, his left "wound" wouldn't bleed all over his right hand, forearm and biceps. Unless Shepard smeared his arms all over his wounds without us seeing.

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Uncle Jo wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

*snip*

If he wanted to deny it, he would have done so more explicitly, like when I tweeted him whether the Destroyer on Earth let the Normandy escape, his answer was a clear "No".

Wait Harbinger didn't let the Normandy escape on purpose ? It's really an incoherence ?

Bil Casey made a valid point on another thread about this, though : "It would have been completely stupid for Harbinger to destroy the Normandy since the brat couldn't use EDI as leverage" (paraphrasing)... Not to speak about Shep getting pretty mad after loosing her squadmates (and eventually her LI)...


I assume he asked and was answered about the destroyer in Vancouver, not Harbinger at the end.

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Just something to think about.


That is actually something to think about.  Trusting the Rachni Queen is a huge risk, and an act of faith that she won't betray you.

Of course, the Reapers are much worse in terms of destructive ability and past history.  And are arrogant in the extreme. 

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Vaya wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

*snip*

If he wanted to deny it, he would have done so more explicitly, like when I tweeted him whether the Destroyer on Earth let the Normandy escape, his answer was a clear "No".

Wait Harbinger didn't let the Normandy escape on purpose ? It's really an incoherence ?

Bil Casey made a valid point on another thread about this, though : "It would have been completely stupid for Harbinger to destroy the Normandy since the brat couldn't use EDI as leverage" (paraphrasing)... Not to speak about Shep getting pretty mad after loosing her squadmates (and eventually her LI)...


I assume he asked and was answered about the destroyer in Vancouver, not Harbinger at the end.


I'm starting to think that reapers actually have a tough time detecting the Normandy. Perhaps the Reaper IFF is still installed and makes them look like a friend. That's why the destroyer ignored them and Harbinger didn't bother shooting at it.

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Vaya wrote...


I assume he asked and was answered about the destroyer in Vancouver, not Harbinger at the end.

My bad. I overlooked the "Earth" part...