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[Dwailing]

OK, I was thinking about the Normandy evac scene, and it reminds me of the scene at the beginning when Shepard leaves Earth. In that scene, Shepard was forced to leave Earth while leaving a friend behind. This time, Shepard's the one staying behind while forcing his friends to leave.

[Big Bad]

legaldinho wrote...

@ big bad re epyon.

reasonable can blur into passive aggressive. His contention that the normandy was a much harder target to hit than the normandy, couched in reasonable terms, fell very clearly into that category. It was utter nonsense.

Yeah, I don't agree with him either, but that still doesn't justify being rude to him.  If more of the literalists who popped into this thread were like EpyonX3, this place would be a helluva lot more pleasant than it sometimes is, and I respect him for that -  even when I think he's ridiculously wrong (and I would hope he does the same for most of us, when he thinks we're ridiculously wrong). 

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...

If there was only one Collector ship, where did the Reapers get the Collector swarms they used during the Miracle at Palaven?

There was at least two Collector Cruisers, since Vega destroys one before meeting Shepard.

[Nightingale]

Andromidius wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

As for my opinion on the IFF...It's still installed (EDI mentions it) and it's possible, I suppose. It was only meant to get them through the Omega-4 Relay though, it wasn't meant to trick the Reapers. Or the Collectors for that matter. Assumedly they'd be monitoring the Relay and would know the second someone passed through it. Since thier ship was already there, they'd know it was someone that shouldn't be there, IFF or not.

Yeah, if anything the IFF is just a beacon that says 'Friend'.  Might work at long range, but once you get closer the Reapers would notice that it isn't a Reaper.  And then when they get close enough to see it visually, the game is completely up.

And that's also the deal with the Stealth System - it doesn't cloak the ship, merely masks the energy signitures.  Which it can't do 100% of the time, and I imagine can't do at all during combat or when the loading bay is open.

I'd be more willing to believe the Stealth System masking their heat signature enough to go by undetected but not with Harbinger right there. Staring at them. I mean, really. Even if they can't "see" the way we can, surely Harby's not blind enough to miss the people just standing around in this one spot. Or, in the case of the people standing in the open cargo bay, floating in that one spot. Just because Normandy's heat emissions are hidden doesn't mean the crew's are when they're right there in the open.
I'll give them that that wouldn't be top priority, though. If Hammer is still charging the beam, they'd want to stop them before the people just hanging around saying their goodbyes. Then again, Harbinger has shown it can shoot off more than one laser (is that even the proper word for it?) at once, so it could've at least tried to get the Normandy...
Eh, I still stick with what I said about wanting it intact as leverage.

[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I was thinking about the Normandy evac scene, and it reminds me of the scene at the beginning when Shepard leaves Earth. In that scene, Shepard was forced to leave Earth while leaving a friend behind. This time, Shepard's the one staying behind while forcing his friends to leave.

It is a lot like it. Is your LI the next commander Shepard?

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 01 juillet 2012 - 12:18 .

[ThisOneIsPunny]

By the way, I'm not really sure but,

I think this is London...


<_<

[BansheeOwnage]

DrTsoni wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

As for my opinion on the IFF...It's still installed (EDI mentions it) and it's possible, I suppose. It was only meant to get them through the Omega-4 Relay though, it wasn't meant to trick the Reapers. Or the Collectors for that matter. Assumedly they'd be monitoring the Relay and would know the second someone passed through it. Since thier ship was already there, they'd know it was someone that shouldn't be there, IFF or not.

Yeah, if anything the IFF is just a beacon that says 'Friend'.  Might work at long range, but once you get closer the Reapers would notice that it isn't a Reaper.  And then when they get close enough to see it visually, the game is completely up.

And that's also the deal with the Stealth System - it doesn't cloak the ship, merely masks the energy signitures.  Which it can't do 100% of the time, and I imagine can't do at all during combat or when the loading bay is open.

I'd be more willing to believe the Stealth System masking their heat signature enough to go by undetected but not with Harbinger right there. Staring at them. I mean, really. Even if they can't "see" the way we can, surely Harby's not blind enough to miss the people just standing around in this one spot. Or, in the case of the people standing in the open cargo bay, floating in that one spot. Just because Normandy's heat emissions are hidden doesn't mean the crew's are when they're right there in the open.
I'll give them that that wouldn't be top priority, though. If Hammer is still charging the beam, they'd want to stop them before the people just hanging around saying their goodbyes. Then again, Harbinger has shown it can shoot off more than one laser (is that even the proper word for it?) at once, so it could've at least tried to get the Normandy...
Eh, I still stick with what I said about wanting it intact as leverage.

Leverage would make sense but to debunk a literal version of your argument I would say this: Why would he then shoot Shepard? Answer that one from a literal perspective

[Dwailing]

@DrTsoni Technically, they're beams of molten metal accelerated to high speeds (It's where we get Thanix Cannons from.). However, saying beams of molten metal accelerated to high speeds every time we talk about Reaper weapons might get old, so calling them lasers is fine.

[Uncle Jo]

legaldinho wrote...

@ big bad re epyon.

reasonable can blur into passive aggressive. His contention that the normandy was a much harder target to hit than the normandy, couched in reasonable terms, fell very clearly into that category. It was utter nonsense.

No matter how much you can disagree with Epyon, he's one of the regular posters here and was always civil with every one. His posts are also constructive. No need to be agressive with him.

[MaximizedAction]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

By the way, I'm not really sure but,

I think this is London...


<_<

Did you know Anderson was born in London?

[paxxton]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

By the way, I'm not really sure but,

I think this is London...


<_<

This is Eden Prime. Did you add that beam in Photoshop?

[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...

@DrTsoni Technically, they're beams of molten metal accelerated to high speeds (It's where we get Thanix Cannons from.). However, saying beams of molten metal accelerated to high speeds every time we talk about Reaper weapons might get old, so calling them lasers is fine.

That makes sense to me, you know as a mass accelerator weapon. But why do they do constant damage like a laser/particle accelerator?

[GethPrimeMKII]

Even if one can explain why Harbinger doesn't shoot down the Normandy, or why Shepard's bleeding from a stomach wound, you can't explain how Shepard survives the destroy ending if she's supposedly on the Citadel without IT.

If Bioware wanted to debunk IT, as some people have claimed, additional scenes would have been placed in EC to explain this plothole. It's the fact that they did not, even with the EC, that has me convinced now more than ever that IT is correct.

[llbountyhunter]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

By the way, I'm not really sure but,

I think this is London...


<_<

no, actually I think its France. 

[Auralius Carolus]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

By the way, I'm not really sure but,

I think this is London...


<_<

Most Epic Sci Fi Video Game Series of All Time + Slideshow Ending= Not So Much Artistic Integrity

[masster blaster]

Oh and if Harbinger was afraid of Soldiers going past it instead of shooting down the Normandy then why not just Blow up the Conduit or why did the Reapers build the Conduit in the first place?

[paxxton]

llbountyhunter wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

By the way, I'm not really sure but,

I think this is London...


<_<

no, actually I think its France. 

No, it's ancient Rome.

[Nightingale]

^ That's not London. Why would you think that? It's not like there's giant letters right in the middle of it or anything...It's not even necessarily Earth!

Dwailing wrote...

@DrTsoni Technically, they're beams of molten metal accelerated to high speeds (It's where we get Thanix Cannons from.). However, saying beams of molten metal accelerated to high speeds every time we talk about Reaper weapons might get old, so calling them lasers is fine.

Lol I thought so.

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Leverage would make sense but to debunk
a literal version of your argument I would say this: Why would he then
shoot Shepard? Answer that one from a literal perspective:devil:

It could be leverage either way. But as far as shooting Shepard...I don't know. Harby's mad Shep got away in ME2? 

[BansheeOwnage]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

By the way, I'm not really sure but,

I think this is London...


<_<

Most Epic Sci Fi Video Game Series of All Time + Slideshow Ending= Not So Much Artistic Integrity

That's what I thought. It also makes me think EC was done (or mostly) at launch. One thing's clear. There is no way it's the culmination of an entire dev team working for 3 months.

[Auralius Carolus]

masster blaster wrote...

Oh and if Harbinger was afraid of Soldiers going past it instead of shooting down the Normandy then why not just Blow up the Conduit or why did the Reapers build the Conduit in the first place?

A: Poor Insurance Policy
B: To transport human bodies to the mega Reaper Builder, aka The Citadel

[DJBare]

Andromidius wrote...

Fair point.  Though such a thing still needs to be stopped, like a rabid dog needs to be put down.

Which might seem a bit blunt, but hey.  If the Reapers want to use the 'its our nature' argument:P

Not blunt, I agree, but it's how they are put down that counts, the problem that Bioware have is how to finish the reaper threat that satisfies as many fans as possible, most will want revenge, understandable, but what if that revenge leads to greater losses and sacrifices.

See, I cannot get away from the fact that the essence of older races are stored within those reaper shells, races that were taken against their will, I think they are "aware" but unable to do anything about it, call it trapped souls if you like, not a description I would normally use, but it gives an idea of my thoughts.

[Andromidius]

masster blaster wrote...

Oh and if Harbinger was afraid of Soldiers going past it instead of shooting down the Normandy then why not just Blow up the Conduit or why did the Reapers build the Conduit in the first place?

Or just, you know, have Husk forces inside to defend it and quickly kill anyone who comes through the other side?

[EpyonX3]

Big Bad wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Vaya wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

*snip*

If he wanted to deny it, he would have done so more explicitly, like when I tweeted him whether the Destroyer on Earth let the Normandy escape, his answer was a clear "No".

Wait Harbinger didn't let the Normandy escape on purpose ? It's really an incoherence ?

Bil Casey made a valid point on another thread about this, though : "It would have been completely stupid for Harbinger to destroy the Normandy since the brat couldn't use EDI as leverage" (paraphrasing)... Not to speak about Shep getting pretty mad after loosing her squadmates (and eventually her LI)...

I assume he asked and was answered about the destroyer in Vancouver, not Harbinger at the end.

I'm starting to think that reapers actually have a tough time detecting the Normandy. Perhaps the Reaper IFF is still installed and makes them look like a friend. That's why the destroyer ignored them and Harbinger didn't bother shooting at it.

I'm sure there are many conceivable reasons why Harbinger didn't shoot the Normandy - plot armor being the most likely one - however, being too busy killing other people and not being able to see a space ship just several hundred yards away from him don't seem especially plausible.

Shooting the Normandy once would not take it out like the other tagets heading towards the beam. Aside from that it has stealth drives and a reaper IFF. Spending time shooting at a nearly invisible target that will just most likely absorb the shots is not efficient.

That's my opinion at least.

[Auralius Carolus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

By the way, I'm not really sure but,

I think this is London...


<_<

Most Epic Sci Fi Video Game Series of All Time + Slideshow Ending= Not So Much Artistic Integrity

That's what I thought. It also makes me think EC was done (or mostly) at launch. One thing's clear. There is no way it's the culmination of an entire dev team working for 3 months.

Well, what evidence can be found in licenced strat guides suggests most of it was written up pre-launch... probably intended to go live on Gold, for that matter. But no, I REALLY doubt that this has been the only thing they've been up to. Odds are they've been working on a $$ DLC along side it.

[BansheeOwnage]

DrTsoni wrote...

^ That's not London. Why would you think that? It's not like there's giant letters right in the middle of it or anything...It's not even necessarily Earth!

Dwailing wrote...

@DrTsoni Technically, they're beams of molten metal accelerated to high speeds (It's where we get Thanix Cannons from.). However, saying beams of molten metal accelerated to high speeds every time we talk about Reaper weapons might get old, so calling them lasers is fine.

Lol I thought so.

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Leverage would make sense but to debunk
a literal version of your argument I would say this: Why would he then
shoot Shepard? Answer that one from a literal perspective:devil:

It could be leverage either way. But as far as shooting Shepard...I don't know. Harby's mad Shep got away in ME2? 

Catalyst: Harbinger, I thought you let Shepard's friends go on purpose to use them as leverage? Why did you shoot Shepard?
Harbinger: Oh, right. I, uh, forgot about that. Sorry.