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Auralius Carolus wrote...
Kaidan: "You know, whenever we discover something amazing like that, I wonder what else might be out there... or even right under our noses."
Well Kaidan, let me tell you about something we've noticed...
ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
Same architectural geniuses that looked at rebuilding London and thought, "Yeah, lets half enclose this city with a big wall and put LONDON in big letters on it." ?EpyonX3 wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Shepard maybe. But I don't have enough faith in you-manatee to run things on a galactic scale. We can't even sort things out here on Earth.EpyonX3 wrote...
Another reason I like Destroy with High EMS because We seem to take control of the Citadel, which means we become the leaders of the new galaxy. Not only that but Shepard lives, if taken literally, so it'd be nice seeing him lead that new galaxy.
Not this day in age but maybe in the future after a reaper attack can help push things along.
It's plausible, I guess.
Modifié par EpyonX3, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:32 .
You clearly weren't looking at the EC critically enough. There's still plenty of old and new things that are best explained either by a dream sequences, illusions, or any number of things that indoctrination theory has suggested.Malkeor wrote...
I think the title needs to be changed. I think we know now that the ending...or endings, weren't illusions.
You are in fact making up your own illusions for refusing to accept the endings as they are.
I was a hopeful person for IT, but after the EC, it's clearly not that, and in no way was it evident.
Modifié par Simon_Says, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:34 .
EpyonX3 wrote...
SirLugash wrote...
I don't mean close as they almost touch, but just very, very close.EpyonX3 wrote...
SirLugash wrote...
I appreciate your explanations, but let's be clear here at some point.
Even
though what you wrote might be true, we still have the situation that
the Normandy is in VERY close proximity to Harbinger, the Reaper Boss.
Even
with an IFF, Harbinger would at least "see" Normandy and notice that it
is an organic frigate and not a 2km tall capital ship (or a 160m tall
Destroyer).
And even if that's not the case, he can shoot running
soldiers with precision shots, and even if he still doesn't recognize
the Normandy as an enemy, we still got Shepard standing in front of this
frickin thing.
Why isn't he shooting at him while he isn't moving in front of the Normandy for a considerable amount of time ?
Does he have an IFF too ? Obviously not ^^
It just doesn't add up, basically Harbinger doesn't want to wreck neither the Normandy nor Shepard.
Bioware wants both to exist at that point, but this particular section makes no sense.
It's
actually not as close as you think. I'll take a few shots from the game
to illustrate. Also, listen to the background during the pick up. You
hear the explosions and the reaper beams going off. Harbigner is busy.
Over Earth, the galactic flotilla and the Reapers are fighting in way greater distance.
To
your second point, yes Harbinger is busy, but he fires his lasers in
fast succession and what's more important, once the Normandy
elevates (when they're staring at each other basically), he's not firing
at all, at least I didn't hear any lase shots.
That
may be as well. I still don't think Harbinger let them go for any reason
in particular other than he was busy stomping all of the others. What
would weaken Shepard's resolve more than just killing his entire crew in
one shot?
Also, the sound is muffled but you can hear it.
Last point unrelated to this, EDI has backup systems. I wonder if the red wave of death kills those too.
jgibson14352 wrote...
1. true, that does seem to be the answer, but was this stated anywhere in the game or extended fiction?SirLugash wrote...
1. What we destroyed in the derelict Reaper was the Mass Effect Core.
With "Core of a Reaper", I mean the basic, internal construct.
The Mass Core in the derelict Reaper also wasn't as big as the Human Reaper Larva ^^
2.Good point, I'm not sure though.
Maybe only the Collectors were bounded to living objects and the Reapers (or better the Keepers) can work with dead bodies as well.
Why would they send them up otherwise ?
Or it's just that the construction of the Reaper hasn't begun yet.
2. the collectors were by all intents and purposes the reapers themselves, everything they did was for the reapers and to further their goals, and were never out of contact with harbinger throughout the process. EDI also said that it appeared that construction of a prothean reaper failed, so that would mean that the protheans dont have their own reaper? and id imagine that the races chosen for destroyers simply dont have this core
D.Sharrah wrote...
Put this together earlier...new peeps here to see it...so here it is again...
Edit: Tried to format to make this easier to read. Also, some points from earlier - this is just my best guess and maybe slighlty biased towards Liara (my canon LI).D.Sharrah wrote...
WARNING: Huge wall of text incoming...
Alright so here is the DLC info pared down to just the dialogue and my best guess as to who is the speaker:
Liara: My sources told me the production numbers were wrong at that mining facility.
Liara: I assumed they were just smuggling red sand. I never took the time to look closer.
Liara: Too much intel, too many places for secrets to hide. I'm going to have to start sleeping less.
Liara: What is it with you and rescuing scientists from dig sites that have been overrun by hostile forces?
Liara: If you decide to help her take down the Shadow Broker, I'm going to be jealous. And somewhat concerned.
Liara: Not that I'm complaining, mind you.
Liara: I'm glad you made it back... and I'd appreciate it if you avoided talking to Leviathan any further.
Liara: I don't want any tentacled creature inside your mind... except me.
Liara: I can only imagine talking to something so huge, so... alien. I hope it helps against the Reapers.
Liara: That mining facility... everyone there under Leviathan's control. It reminded me of Feros.
Liara: That mining facility... all those people, indoctrinated, losing ten years. I can't even imagine what that's like.
Liara: many other people out there are trapped like that? We need to find Leviathan.
Liara: I'm glad Ann Bryson got out safely. I just hope we find Leviathan before the Reapers do.
Liara: I thought I'd lost you down there.
Liara: Don't do that again, not even to forge an alliance with a damned Reaper-killer.
Liara: You're worth more than that.
Liara: So we have Leviathan. I hope it stays on our side.
Edi: Leviathan's mental restraints are odd. My AI shackles served similar purposes, but why add sensations of darkness or cold?
Edi: I have formulated a psych profile for Dr. Ann Bryson. She is not used to death, but she may be quite capable under stress.
Edi: So the Reapers did not fully exterminate their creators. That suggests they are fallible, even on large or long-term scales.
Joker(?): Watching you break the news to Ann about her dad... I gotta say, that was rough.
Liara: I heard you had to break the news to Ann about her dad. I'm sorry, Shepard.
Traynor: It's so brutal what happened to him. I can't imagine what she's going through.
Garrus: You took a huge risk down there. Almost died to figure this out.
Garrus: I've been thinking about what we learned, Shepard. The thing is, I don't really care what the Reapers are or where they're from.
Garrus: They're monsters that need to be put down. That's all I need to know.
Tali(?): I can't believe what I saw down there.
Tali(?): This Leviathan thing can just kick you out of your own head?
Tali(?): I don't know what's worse: killing people outright, or making them suffer like that.
James: Strange stuff back on that asteroid. We've seen indoctrination before, but ten years? Leviathan had its own private army.
James: You've got to wonder how much longer that would have lasted if we hadn't come along.
James: Just when I thought we were getting a handle on Reapers, this happens. Maybe Leviathan's more than a bull's-eye?
Kaidan: Shepard. I admit I was worried about you on that dig site. Things got pretty hectic. Not used to feeling like that, you know.
Kaidan: That's what love does. Turns a guy like me into a nervous wreck with something to lose and the aim to make sure he doesn't. Nobody better hurt you, is all I'm saying.
Kaidan: I can handle the Reapers that run around, or the ones that crawl, or the ones that... shuffle menacingly toward you. But it's the flying ones that give me the creeps.
Ashley: Shepard, I looked over your mission report. Gotta say, it feels like we've been after these Reapers forever...
Ashley: From Sovereign to Leviathan... they've been a pain in the ass the whole time. But at least we're starting to see the big picture.
Ashley: Never really thought we'd get any answers. It doesn't change much, but it does make this war feel a whole lot bigger.
Javik: I saw many strange things in our war against the Reapers. An entire settlement of Densorin were once studying things far beyond their knowledge.
Javik: Celestial mechanics, morphological simulations of galactic language... things even we didn't understand. At the time, I thought they were crazy.
Javik: But now, after what occurred on that asteroid, I wonder.
Javik: If Leviathan is a defector--a Reaper that broke away from the others--then it is also a traitor.
Javik: And traitors are never to be trusted, even among the enemy.
Javik: If they can betray their own kind, imagine what they can do to you.
Javik: I have studied your human religions, Commander--your "Devil" and his fall. Leviathan and its kind deserve the same fate.
Javik: They once unleashed a plague that has haunted all of our history to this day.</data>
Javik: I say their own hell is the abyss you found them in... one I hope they never escape from.
Cortez(?): The mining colony was completely brainwashed, and the Reapers retreat the moment the artifact is destroyed?
Cortez(?): I don't know what's going on, but I know I don't like it.
Cortez(?): Promise me you'll be careful, okay?
Cortez: If another Harvester keeps me from dropping you off in the target LZ, so help me...
James: Esteban, don't let those oversized roaches push you around.
Cortez: Mr. Vega, taking on a sky full of worm-necks in a troop transport is like sending you against the Earth invasion armed with brass knuckles.
James: What? You don't think I could do it?
Cortez: Can't say I was happy sending you down in that submersible by yourself.
Cortez: Wish I could have been with you, but if we were together in that tight space... never mind.
James: Don't know why I ever worry about you. Take on ancient aliens from the deep? Sure, no problem.
James: That asteroid facility was messed up.
James: Ten years of your life, just gone. You're working out there, sending letters to your family back home...
James: Then you wake up, and your hair's gone, your kid's in college, and your six-pack has turned into a keg. Just messed up.
James: I don't know the scientific measurement of a ****-load, but that seemed like a ****-load of harvesters.
James: With the Leviathan on our side, maybe we pull this thing off after all.
James: Too bad Ann never got to see her dad's work pay off.
James: At least Ann's still around to see her dad's work finally pay off.
Shepard(?): Maybe, James.
James: Hey, Commander.
SNIP…(Random conversation enders from the crew)
James(?): Have you ever seen anything like that, Shepard?
Traynor(?): It feels good to help those people get their lives back. Ten years is a lot of lost time.
Joker(?): Let's make sure that we never let time just slip by us, okay?
Joker(?): Hey, Shepard.
James(?): So a Reaper goes rogue and kills one of its own. That's what we're looking at here, right?
James: Bryson really was onto something big. Amazing.
James: A lot of smart people in this galaxy. I'm a lucky guy to work with so many of 'em.
James: Hey, Shepard.
Generic LI(?): You scare the hell out of me with those risky stunts, Shepard, but I guess it's also part of what I love about you.
Joker(?): Nice to have everyone back on dry land, so to speak.
Kaidan: You know, whenever we discover something amazing like that, I wonder what else might be out there... or even right under our noses.
Modifié par D.Sharrah, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:34 .
D.Sharrah wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Kaidan: "You know, whenever we discover something amazing like that, I wonder what else might be out there... or even right under our noses."
Well Kaidan, let me tell you about something we've noticed...
There are so many great little tidbits in there..I will be interested to see if I have these right when the DLC comes out...but there are some lines that just read so like the characters, and that was screams Kaidan to me.
comrade gando wrote...
I thought the citadel exploded in destroy.. oh wait it was "badly damaged".. NEVERMIND I GUESS. god this writing sucks hard.
just say IT was true why would they put all those clues in just to say it's not.
Please, just link the damn thing instead of repeating it constantly.D.Sharrah wrote...
*snip*
chidingewe8036 wrote...
Leviathan DLC = will fail = but some sucker out they will pay for it = and will post it on YouTube = I will just watch it there and save my money from being wasted on the failure = Bioware you failed.......for a 4th time >(
1) Mass Effect 3 - Fail
2) Mass Effect 3 Original Ending - Fail
3) Mass Effect 3 EC - Fail (But with sprinkles on top)
4) Mass Effect 3 New DLC - Fail (because anything pre - ending is fail)
D.Sharrah wrote...
Liara: That mining facility... everyone there under Leviathan's control. It reminded me of Feros.
Liara: That mining facility... all those people, indoctrinated, losing ten years. I can't even imagine what that's like.
Liara: many other people out there are trapped like that? We need to find Leviathan.
Liara: I'm glad Ann Bryson got out safely. I just hope we find Leviathan before the Reapers do.
Liara: I thought I'd lost you down there.
Liara: Don't do that again, not even to forge an alliance with a damned Reaper-killer.
Liara: You're worth more than that.
Liara: So we have Leviathan. I hope it stays on our side.
Modifié par Ravereth, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:41 .
Nah, they didn't.EpyonX3 wrote...
ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
Same architectural geniuses that looked at rebuilding London and thought, "Yeah, lets half enclose this city with a big wall and put LONDON in big letters on it." ?EpyonX3 wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Shepard maybe. But I don't have enough faith in you-manatee to run things on a galactic scale. We can't even sort things out here on Earth.EpyonX3 wrote...
Another reason I like Destroy with High EMS because We seem to take control of the Citadel, which means we become the leaders of the new galaxy. Not only that but Shepard lives, if taken literally, so it'd be nice seeing him lead that new galaxy.
Not this day in age but maybe in the future after a reaper attack can help push things along.
It's plausible, I guess.
I don't think they closed the City off. I think they made that spot into a Memorial. That's technically where the war was won.
Auralius Carolus wrote...
D.Sharrah wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Kaidan: "You know, whenever we discover something amazing like that, I wonder what else might be out there... or even right under our noses."
Well Kaidan, let me tell you about something we've noticed...
There are so many great little tidbits in there..I will be interested to see if I have these right when the DLC comes out...but there are some lines that just read so like the characters, and that was screams Kaidan to me.
They do read well for their characters.
But now Bioware has to go change them. Because we're done reading and the entire DLC is spoiled.
Ravereth wrote...
D.Sharrah wrote...
Liara: That mining facility... everyone there under Leviathan's control. It reminded me of Feros.
Liara: That mining facility... all those people, indoctrinated, losing ten years. I can't even imagine what that's like.
Liara: many other people out there are trapped like that? We need to find Leviathan.
Liara: I'm glad Ann Bryson got out safely. I just hope we find Leviathan before the Reapers do.
Liara: I thought I'd lost you down there.
Liara: Don't do that again, not even to forge an alliance with a damned Reaper-killer.
Liara: You're worth more than that.
Liara: So we have Leviathan. I hope it stays on our side.
I think that it isn't Liara, because she already said almost the same things a while back, I would say it's Ashley...
Why?
1. Ten years isn't that huge amount of time for Liara
2. a damned Reaper-killer, I hope it stays on our side. - sounds like Ashley to me
3. And the most important reason... You can choose the Feros mission before saving Liara
PS. 4. Ashley is my Shepard's LI, so she needs more lines
jgibson14352 wrote...
if somebody who's interested could do me a favor, im checking jessica merizans tweets for evidence that i remember her posting about how the EC was final, but from what im seeing, shes now saying the opposite.
there have been huge storms over the DC area lately, and because of the power loss im in a lobby using public internet like some kind of freaking animal, and her conversations ARENT LOADING and i cant see what shes talking about!!! please help!
D.Sharrah wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
D.Sharrah wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Kaidan: "You know, whenever we discover something amazing like that, I wonder what else might be out there... or even right under our noses."
Well Kaidan, let me tell you about something we've noticed...
There are so many great little tidbits in there..I will be interested to see if I have these right when the DLC comes out...but there are some lines that just read so like the characters, and that was screams Kaidan to me.
They do read well for their characters.
But now Bioware has to go change them. Because we're done reading and the entire DLC is spoiled.
I wouldn't be so sure...this is actually a very small amount of dialogue to be honest...I posted earlier that I would not be surprised if this was just the tip of the iceberg.
heres the link, but its a short url anyway. and now, the tweets i was looking at went back to jun 26, after that the freaking internet just decides to mass effect out on me and not let me see what i want to.v0rt3x22 wrote...
jgibson14352 wrote...
if somebody who's interested could do me a favor, im checking jessica merizans tweets for evidence that i remember her posting about how the EC was final, but from what im seeing, shes now saying the opposite.
there have been huge storms over the DC area lately, and because of the power loss im in a lobby using public internet like some kind of freaking animal, and her conversations ARENT LOADING and i cant see what shes talking about!!! please help!
Did she apparently just tweet now? I can check
It's suspicious is what it is. I don't blame them, I mean keeping people interested in the end of a trilogy is a lot different from building interest in a sequel. Or uh.. so I'd imagine. So I don't know. Maybe Tully Ackland's right with no underlying motives and maybe they're not confirming or denying IT to keep people interested and invested in Mass Effect.jgibson14352 wrote...
Tully Ackland has posted that exact same statement twice, you could see it as he knows he means it. but its still weird how NO bioware-er has outright said, "we did not write and design the endings as though shepard was indoctrinated, and will not release any dlc expanding on such". i know that while id be disappointed, id be happy for finally having a direct answer instead of all htis beating around the bull****. jos hendrikson and any other dev wont confirm or deny though, just ambiguous "cant answer that" statementsThisOneIsPunny wrote...
They're technically telling the truth if they expand on the endings through each piece of sp dlc they come out with, though, aren't they? To me, the Leviathan shindig is pointing that way and it makes sense if you factor in that end message. What was it, "Buy more dlc to continue to build that legend" or something?jgibson14352 wrote...
BUM BUM BUUM.comrade gando wrote...
sonuva... i was about to say... the battle rages on...
ok so I saw a bioware dev say something along the lines of "these are the definitive endings to the trilogy. we have no plans for further ending dlc".
I know they said lots of things that aren't true but this particular statement makes me want to just get rid of my ME games, no sense in keeping them, just make me feel sick when I look at them.
ive posted this like 5 times over the past few days, i swear im known for this now.
v0rt3x22 wrote...
So what are your thoughts on Comic Con in relationship to "IT"?
Auralius Carolus wrote...
D.Sharrah wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
D.Sharrah wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Kaidan: "You know, whenever we discover something amazing like that, I wonder what else might be out there... or even right under our noses."
Well Kaidan, let me tell you about something we've noticed...
There are so many great little tidbits in there..I will be interested to see if I have these right when the DLC comes out...but there are some lines that just read so like the characters, and that was screams Kaidan to me.
They do read well for their characters.
But now Bioware has to go change them. Because we're done reading and the entire DLC is spoiled.
I wouldn't be so sure...this is actually a very small amount of dialogue to be honest...I posted earlier that I would not be surprised if this was just the tip of the iceberg.
Well, given the amount of dialogue currently in the game, this is probably all of the on-board the Normandy speech between crew mates. I don't see anything on-site, (i.e., the "water" asteroid), though.
Modifié par D.Sharrah, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:54 .
jgibson14352 wrote...
if somebody who's interested could do me a favor, im checking jessica merizans tweets for evidence that i remember her posting about how the EC was final, but from what im seeing, shes now saying the opposite.
there have been huge storms over the DC area lately, and because of the power loss im in a lobby using public internet like some kind of freaking animal, and her conversations ARENT LOADING and i cant see what shes talking about!!! please help!
ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
It's suspicious is what it is. I don't blame them, I mean keeping people interested in the end of a trilogy is a lot different from building interest in a sequel. Or uh.. so I'd imagine. So I don't know. Maybe Tully Ackland's right with no underlying motives and maybe they're not confirming or denying IT to keep people interested and invested in Mass Effect.jgibson14352 wrote...
Tully Ackland has posted that exact same statement twice, you could see it as he knows he means it. but its still weird how NO bioware-er has outright said, "we did not write and design the endings as though shepard was indoctrinated, and will not release any dlc expanding on such". i know that while id be disappointed, id be happy for finally having a direct answer instead of all htis beating around the bull****. jos hendrikson and any other dev wont confirm or deny though, just ambiguous "cant answer that" statementsThisOneIsPunny wrote...
They're technically telling the truth if they expand on the endings through each piece of sp dlc they come out with, though, aren't they? To me, the Leviathan shindig is pointing that way and it makes sense if you factor in that end message. What was it, "Buy more dlc to continue to build that legend" or something?jgibson14352 wrote...
BUM BUM BUUM.comrade gando wrote...
sonuva... i was about to say... the battle rages on...
ok so I saw a bioware dev say something along the lines of "these are the definitive endings to the trilogy. we have no plans for further ending dlc".
I know they said lots of things that aren't true but this particular statement makes me want to just get rid of my ME games, no sense in keeping them, just make me feel sick when I look at them.
ive posted this like 5 times over the past few days, i swear im known for this now.
Not what I think or believe, though.
Auralius Carolus wrote...
*chopped pyramid*
Well, given the amount of dialogue currently in the game, this is probably all of the on-board the Normandy speech between crew mates. I don't see anything on-site, (i.e., the "water" asteroid), though.
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