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[jgibson14352]

 http://t1.gstatic.co...I-G4mL_cHOEAZNJ
this is shepards first dream. very very dark green, if green at all. zero use of all the other shrubs, granted its only one pic but still

[RaidShock]

Rifneno wrote...

The dreams get darker as the game progresses. The first dream is almost normal color. Anyway, why does that dream foliage pic always crop up and never this one that there's no good explanation for?

Now that is one that I do find quite odd, especially combined when the fact that when we see the cutaway to the Illusive Man using the pylon, you can hear him dintinctly screaming in pain. 

I tend to believe that "Bad" is short for something, though for what I can not say.

[comrade gando]

ok how about this one. apparently at some point in the game there is a "reaper indoc blur" effect. when does that happen though? illusive man's scene?

[masster blaster]

Hay do you get the feeling that the helmet that we see in any ending we choices does symbolises Shepard because he/sge an Alliance personal and just because Shepard is N7 does not mean that could be his/her helmet.

Also I think that's Shepard acknologing that He/She is dead. But in Destroy the Catalyst leid to Shepard about him/her dying because the Reapers are starting to know the meaning of fear.

Also if the Reapers want to be free then if you picl control they are not freed because they are still being Comtrol just by Shepard. Also Destroy does free the Reapers because of all the cycles of Organics and Synthetics can finaly find peace instead of living as a living tool to be used in war far or harvisting ever again.

Oh and by the way Destroy was marked as a good ending before the EC came out and Bioware said it them selves that eveything you see at the end was all intended. So that means that we would check the files to see if they were marked with a meaning of purpose, and what we found was intenede and is it just me or did Bioware pull a path that we must take at the end of ME3 just like the Reapers set a path for every cycle before they are harvested to be preserved as a Reaper.

Oh and if you kill that Reaper on Ranncho and if you pick the Paragon option Shepard says " you are already dead and now thoses people can finaly find peace.L I think I got it right but I am not sure.

[Ravereth]

BTW I believe that the reaper from the control ending is not Shepard, Shepard is now just a part of this reaper, maybe its mind... 

What if... what if the reapers have a heart = the inside voice of the people who got "processed", what if they want to die, but their mind (controlled by the Catalyst) thinks otherwise...

Let's see what does it mean... If Shepard saved the colector base he gets the reaper's mind (which allows him to control the reapers if your ems is really low), but if he destroyed the colector base he instead gets the reaper's heart (And this alows you to destroy the reapers...) 

And gues what... Reaper's heart/mind was used to build the crucible... 

Modifié par Ravereth, 01 juillet 2012 - 03:49 .

[Rifneno]

magnetite wrote...

I hate bringing up TV quotes, but it seems to fit in well with this:

They only have one law fight or die, and one rule resist or serve

I thought I was strong enough to resist, but instead I became a willing tool eager to serve.

Harbinger: Serve us. (during the Race to the Conduit Extended Cut)

Harbinger: Do not resist. Give yourself over and be spared.

Shepard: We can ___ through this nightmare, and we can all wake up.

Probably just a coincidence on the nightmare though. Those "dreams" do seem like nightmares. Dreams are usually peaceful.

Some red shirt: We need a plan to stop them!
Shepard: We fight or we die, that's the plan!

"Fall of Earth" trailer.

[Andromidius]

magnetite wrote...

BTW I believe that the reaper from the control ending is not Shepard, Shepard is now just a part of this reaper, maybe its mind...

Does seem that way, when the camera shows Shepard in the Control ending, it pans out, and we see a Reaper. Watch for it, when he starts saying "eternal, infinite, immortal...".

"Shepard" pretty much admits it during the speech anyway, by talking about 'the man I was'.

[masster blaster]

comrade gando wrote...

ok how about this one. apparently at some point in the game there is a "reaper indoc blur" effect. when does that happen though? illusive man's scene?

That's hard to miss. Where did you FIND it? Not saying I belive you it"s just i haven"t found it yet.

[masster blaster]

Ravereth wrote...

BTW I believe that the reaper from the control ending is not Shepard, Shepard is now just a part of this reaper, maybe its mind... 

What if... what if the reapers have a heart = the inside voice of the people who got "processed", what if they want to die, but their mind (controlled by the Catalyst) thinks otherwise...

Let's see what does it mean... If Shepard saved the colector base he gets the reaper's mind (which allows him to control the reapers if your ems is really low), but if he destroyed the colector base he instead gets the reaper's heart (And this alows you to destroy the reapers...) 

And gues what... Reaper's heart/mind was used to built the crucible... 

Maybe that"s why the Illusive man wanted the Collector Base saved because he could have used the Breain of the Reaper to perfect more of his Resarch on how to CONTROL the Reapers.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Rifneno wrote...

Seems like there's still people giving credence to Starbinger's bull about the Reapers viewing themselves like a fire and not enjoying their incomprehensible crimes. Those people, please note this post by Arian and my notes in the quotations. Yes, they are hateful monsters. They despise "lesser" life forms and get their rocks off on unnecessary cruelty towards them.

Agreed wholeheartedly.

The second time I listened to catalyst:
Nope. Destroy.
Third time:
NOPE. DESTROY.

Justifying the pure evil of reaper motives as "good intentions", not reaching me catalyst. Not reaching me at all. <_<

[jgibson14352]

masster blaster wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

ok how about this one. apparently at some point in the game there is a "reaper indoc blur" effect. when does that happen though? illusive man's scene?

That's hard to miss. Where did you FIND it? Not saying I belive you it"s just i haven"t found it yet.

its after the fade to white so im assuming its the grainy/waivy black border effect that everybody uses to give credence to IT. this thread has instantly made me 10x more of a believer in IT

Modifié par jgibson14352, 01 juillet 2012 - 03:43 .

[masster blaster]

Andromidius wrote...

magnetite wrote...

BTW I believe that the reaper from the control ending is not Shepard, Shepard is now just a part of this reaper, maybe its mind...

Does seem that way, when the camera shows Shepard in the Control ending, it pans out, and we see a Reaper. Watch for it, when he starts saying "eternal, infinite, immortal...".

"Shepard" pretty much admits it during the speech anyway, by talking about 'the man I was'.

o and did you all notice that when Hackett contact Shepard the only thing Shepard says to Hackett is I.. but then the rest of it is in Shepard's head because if you listen carefully you can hear Shepard talking ot his/herself.

[Leonia]

So what makes Shepard the perfect organic anyway?

[Anchor654]

TSA_383 wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

if IT was never true then I guess bioware named the plants in the normandy crash scene "dream foliage" just for ****s and giggles... nothing makes sense.

OH GOD THANK YOU THIS IS F*CKING INDISPUTABLE

...Also about 3.5 months old 
The counter-argument is:

-Those plants appear all over the place (they do actually appear in the dream sequences)

They are the floor to the dreams Shep has. Look down and you'll see the leaves as part of the forest floor. 

[masster blaster]

jgibson14352 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

ok how about this one. apparently at some point in the game there is a "reaper indoc blur" effect. when does that happen though? illusive man's scene?

That's hard to miss. Where did you FIND it? Not saying I belive you it"s just i haven"t found it yet.

its after the fade to white so im assuming its the grainy/waivy black border effect that everybody uses to give credence to IT. this thread has instantly made me 10x more of a believer in IT

okay so what does it say about Control and Synthesis and espacially Destroy and Reject.

[masster blaster]

Anchor654 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

if IT was never true then I guess bioware named the plants in the normandy crash scene "dream foliage" just for ****s and giggles... nothing makes sense.

OH GOD THANK YOU THIS IS F*CKING INDISPUTABLE

...Also about 3.5 months old 
The counter-argument is:

-Those plants appear all over the place (they do actually appear in the dream sequences)

They are the floor to the dreams Shep has. Look down and you'll see the leaves as part of the forest floor. 

Then try to find them in the EC file for the Normandy Crash scene and if it"s still there then maybe the whole ending is a dream except Shepard waking up in Destroy.

[Ravereth]

masster blaster wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

magnetite wrote...

BTW I believe that the reaper from the control ending is not Shepard, Shepard is now just a part of this reaper, maybe its mind...

Does seem that way, when the camera shows Shepard in the Control ending, it pans out, and we see a Reaper. Watch for it, when he starts saying "eternal, infinite, immortal...".

"Shepard" pretty much admits it during the speech anyway, by talking about 'the man I was'.

o and did you all notice that when Hackett contact Shepard the only thing Shepard says to Hackett is I.. but then the rest of it is in Shepard's head because if you listen carefully you can hear Shepard talking ot his/herself.

Unfortunately only in the MaleShep version 

[Makrys]

comrade gando wrote...

ok how about this one. apparently at some point in the game there is a "reaper indoc blur" effect. when does that happen though? illusive man's scene?

Yes, they take place during TIM confrontation.

[jgibson14352]

masster blaster wrote...

Anchor654 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

if IT was never true then I guess bioware named the plants in the normandy crash scene "dream foliage" just for ****s and giggles... nothing makes sense.

*pic*

*guy totally not overreacting*

...Also about 3.5 months old 
The counter-argument is:

-Those plants appear all over the place (they do actually appear in the dream sequences)

They are the floor to the dreams Shep has. Look down and you'll see the leaves as part of the forest floor. 

Then try to find them in the EC file for the Normandy Crash scene and if it"s still there then maybe the whole ending is a dream except Shepard waking up in Destroy.

the top left appears, slightly darkened, but a bunch of those are only seen unaltered in the crash site

[comrade gando]

leonia42 wrote...

So what makes Shepard the perfect organic anyway?

well.. nothing I know of. as far as I know he's just an ordinary man, forced into extraordinary circumstances. however these literal endings make it seem as though he is incapable of being indoctrinated, or manipulated in some way. I don't buy it, there's far too much unexplained strangeness going on especially in the last 20 minutes that REQUIRE an explanation of some sort.

big example: why are the crosshairs wobbling in the final mission before the charge to the beam? you can just be standing there and your crosshairs are like "wooooeeeeoooooahhhhh I can't aim striaght anymore!"...why? most noticeable if you have a sniper rifle. I didn't notice at first I had a revenant and just full auto'd everything that moved... but why would bioware put that in there?

someone has to sit there and say "we're going to apply a wobbling effect on the player's crosshairs to signify (insert reason)". just doesn't add up sir. maybe he's tired and can't aim straight? that's a weak reason I'm sorry, but I'm just having a hard time trying to counter argue that fact there.

[Leonia]

I think the whole intent of altering the jungle planet sequence was to prove to us that it was NOT a dream, we now know the crew isn't stranded there at least. And with the explanation as to why the Normandy left the fight, it seems like we are suppose to take those as the actual events occurring away from wherever Shepard is at the end. Not that that solves all the questions.. we still don't know the significance of the planet or why the Normandy is there.

The foliage has been discussed ad nausem already and there's lots of places where we see it (Sur'Kesh, anyone?) so it definitely feels like it's dismissal evidence.

[masster blaster]

Ravereth wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

magnetite wrote...

BTW I believe that the reaper from the control ending is not Shepard, Shepard is now just a part of this reaper, maybe its mind...

Does seem that way, when the camera shows Shepard in the Control ending, it pans out, and we see a Reaper. Watch for it, when he starts saying "eternal, infinite, immortal...".

"Shepard" pretty much admits it during the speech anyway, by talking about 'the man I was'.

o and did you all notice that when Hackett contact Shepard the only thing Shepard says to Hackett is I.. but then the rest of it is in Shepard's head because if you listen carefully you can hear Shepard talking ot his/herself.

Unfortunately only in the MaleShep version 

What do you mean only the Male version. both of them after they say I they start talking to themselfs in their own heads listen to the conversation after Anderson dies.

[CoolioThane]

Shepard intrigues the Reapers.

He came back from the dead which is pretty amazing.

He has united the galaxy and is the only man who can potentially stop the Reaper threat.

He's the perfect target for indoctrination, as, under Reaper control, he can convince the people he has recruited to the cause to do whatever the Reapers want. Shepard is the expert, why wouldn't they believe him.

The whole game is the Reapers trying to indoctrinate him...it's the only explanation,