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[Arian Dynas]

Also, I realized the major thing that seperates us from the conspiracy theorists we are pegged as so regularly.

In real life, coincidences DO happen.

They don't in fiction. It's why you can't apply Occam's Razor to fiction, because there is artifice here, there IS a designer and a grand design, there IS a plan, which means that sometimes the simplest explanation is not necessarily the one the author intended.

[Arian Dynas]

SubAstris wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

However, I WOULD agree with (I believe it was Gunslinger's Assessment) of the CD cover that they are clearly referring to London Calling on the disc, the references to yellow eyes in London are very telling.

The Atomic weight of Iron could STILL be referring to Aquetias or however you spell the damn thing,

No clue on -128 Fahrenheit,

UK intelligence Services, no idea. Maybe seeing connections? Either way, another tie back to London.

Red Herring... well. Consider what thread we're in.

Maybe the Red Herring...is a Red Herring?

Mayhaps you are incapable of seeing beyond the literal?

Wait, to make sure, you DO know that Clinton wasn't really talking about a cigar when he said "I wouldn't mind putting my cigar there." right?

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

However, I WOULD agree with (I believe it was Gunslinger's Assessment) of the CD cover that they are clearly referring to London Calling on the disc, the references to yellow eyes in London are very telling.

The Atomic weight of Iron could STILL be referring to Aquetias or however you spell the damn thing,

No clue on -128 Fahrenheit,

UK intelligence Services, no idea. Maybe seeing connections? Either way, another tie back to London.

Red Herring... well. Consider what thread we're in.

Right, the lyrics of London Calling can be seen as inspiring the indocrination of Shepard in some parts. Eerie, if not coincidental.

Aquetas, and it's Iron Canyons, another possible link to Indoctrination since in ME2 you have to fight off a horde of Husks and blow up a Reaper artifact. Furthered by Aquitas having a glitchy quest marker in ME3, but could just be a bug and another coincidence.

-128.5 F, reference to Earth, no idea what else. . . . . coldest point on Earth, possible link to Wintersun - Starchild only because it's something with the word Winter in it. Further link to the song Starchild which has some eerie lyrics.

SAS, MI6, another link to London. Espianoge. Spies. Indoctrination?

Red Herring, too right.

That's alot of ifs and coincidences in there.

I hate ifs.

Way too many ifs for me, but just theorizing and speculating so no harm no foul.

Must also keep in mind those hints were from...2010? I think. And more than likely were meant to hint at ME3 being a trailer at the Awards show the following week. Still, the amount of coincidences concerning and pointing toward Indoctrination are staggering.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 01 juillet 2012 - 09:55 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, I realized the major thing that seperates us from the conspiracy theorists we are pegged as so regularly.

In real life, coincidences DO happen.

They don't in fiction. It's why you can't apply Occam's Razor to fiction, because there is artifice here, there IS a designer and a grand design, there IS a plan, which means that sometimes the simplest explanation is not necessarily the one the author intended.

I....hadn't thought of it that way. Too caught up in the gaming world I think. But yes, a spot of proof of possiblity all these clues were put in the game intentionally by the team. Clues. Pieces. Puzzle. Too many coincidences.

[SubAstris]

Arian Dynas wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

However, I WOULD agree with (I believe it was Gunslinger's Assessment) of the CD cover that they are clearly referring to London Calling on the disc, the references to yellow eyes in London are very telling.

The Atomic weight of Iron could STILL be referring to Aquetias or however you spell the damn thing,

No clue on -128 Fahrenheit,

UK intelligence Services, no idea. Maybe seeing connections? Either way, another tie back to London.

Red Herring... well. Consider what thread we're in.

Maybe the Red Herring...is a Red Herring?

Mayhaps you are incapable of seeing beyond the literal?

Wait, to make sure, you DO know that Clinton wasn't really talking about a cigar when he said "I wouldn't mind putting my cigar there." right?

It was a joke, calm down haha

[Salient Archer]

Arian Dynas wrote...

However, I WOULD agree with (I believe it was Gunslinger's Assessment) of the CD cover that they are clearly referring to London Calling on the disc, the references to yellow eyes in London are very telling.

The Atomic weight of Iron could STILL be referring to Aquetias or however you spell the damn thing,

No clue on -128 Fahrenheit,

UK intelligence Services, no idea. Maybe seeing connections? Either way, another tie back to London.

Red Herring... well. Consider what thread we're in.

-128 Fahrenheit is about 180 degress in Kelvin (Thomas Kevlin was born in Belfast, not quite london but it is in the UK) sorry it's all I've got. 

[SubAstris]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, I realized the major thing that seperates us from the conspiracy theorists we are pegged as so regularly.

In real life, coincidences DO happen.

They don't in fiction. It's why you can't apply Occam's Razor to fiction, because there is artifice here, there IS a designer and a grand design, there IS a plan, which means that sometimes the simplest explanation is not necessarily the one the author intended.

This is true for real life as well though

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Salient Archer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

However, I WOULD agree with (I believe it was Gunslinger's Assessment) of the CD cover that they are clearly referring to London Calling on the disc, the references to yellow eyes in London are very telling.

The Atomic weight of Iron could STILL be referring to Aquetias or however you spell the damn thing,

No clue on -128 Fahrenheit,

UK intelligence Services, no idea. Maybe seeing connections? Either way, another tie back to London.

Red Herring... well. Consider what thread we're in.

-128 Fahrenheit is about 180 degress in Kelvin (Thomas Kevlin was born in Belfast, not quite london but it is in the UK) sorry it's all I've got. 

Odd thing though, the iron was thought to be the clue to show it was on Earth so why add another concerning Earth unless one of the two referenced something else. The Clash and UK Intelligence both clues to London and therefore Earth, likewise unless they both reference something else.

Red Herring. . . . <_<

[Smeffects]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, I realized the major thing that seperates us from the conspiracy theorists we are pegged as so regularly.

In real life, coincidences DO happen.

They don't in fiction. It's why you can't apply Occam's Razor to fiction, because there is artifice here, there IS a designer and a grand design, there IS a plan, which means that sometimes the simplest explanation is not necessarily the one the author intended.

You need to pick up books more often. Concidences do happen in literature. But usually its due to poor writting and plotholes, in video game the problem of having none of them is even greater for many reasons: Theres more then 1 people working on the plot, theres people working on art asset that are not the same making the plot.

There are plotholes all over Mass effect 1, while not as anti climatic they are there:

-Why did saren wait at virmire for shepard, when he had the second beacon himself?
-why did he not simply destroy it after reading it?
-Why did sovereign decide to fight shepard on foot after the arms of the citadel where open already, meaning saren had failed and shepard mission was over, yet sovereign was beating the fleet on his own? Most retarded reaper of all time?
-The evidence against saren is a voice recording in the ages when spaceship can zoom across the galaxy we cant counterfeith voices recording anymore? Voice recording still passes as evidence? A voice recording now would take months to legitimize in court, if it was the only evidence?

Modifié par Smeffects, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:11 .

[Arian Dynas]

SubAstris wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

However, I WOULD agree with (I believe it was Gunslinger's Assessment) of the CD cover that they are clearly referring to London Calling on the disc, the references to yellow eyes in London are very telling.

The Atomic weight of Iron could STILL be referring to Aquetias or however you spell the damn thing,

No clue on -128 Fahrenheit,

UK intelligence Services, no idea. Maybe seeing connections? Either way, another tie back to London.

Red Herring... well. Consider what thread we're in.

Maybe the Red Herring...is a Red Herring?

Mayhaps you are incapable of seeing beyond the literal?

Wait, to make sure, you DO know that Clinton wasn't really talking about a cigar when he said "I wouldn't mind putting my cigar there." right?

It was a joke, calm down haha

Oh I am calm. This is just me swatting at you like an annoying insect.

[Arian Dynas]

Can't be a reference to the trailer being ME3.

As I recall, there were no red herrings involved anywhere.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Can't be a reference to the trailer being ME3.

As I recall, there were no red herrings involved anywhere.

. . . . o_o

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:13 .

[SubAstris]

Smeffects wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, I realized the major thing that seperates us from the conspiracy theorists we are pegged as so regularly.

In real life, coincidences DO happen.

They don't in fiction. It's why you can't apply Occam's Razor to fiction, because there is artifice here, there IS a designer and a grand design, there IS a plan, which means that sometimes the simplest explanation is not necessarily the one the author intended.

You need to pick up books more often. Concidences do happen in literature. But usually its due to poor writting and plotholes, in video game the problem of having none of them is even greater for many reasons: Theres more then 1 people working on the plot, theres people working on art asset that are not the same making the plot.

There are plotholes all over Mass effect 1, while not as anti climatic they are there:

-Why did saren wait at virmire for shepard, when he had the second beacon himself?
-why did he not simply destroy it after reading it?
-Why did sovereign decide to fight shepard on foot after the door of the citadel where open already, meaning saren had failed and shepard mission was over, yet sovereign was beating the fleet on his own? Most retarded reaper of all time?
-The evidence against saren is a voice recording in the ages when spaceship can zoom across the galaxy we cant counterfeith voices recording anymore? Voice recording still passes as evidence? A voice recording now would take months to legitimize in court, if it was the only evidence?

Not forgetting that there were no writers on ME1 working on ME3 and very few of the original writers working on ME2 either.

But clearly ME1 was also a dream!

[Arian Dynas]

Smeffects wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, I realized the major thing that seperates us from the conspiracy theorists we are pegged as so regularly.

In real life, coincidences DO happen.

They don't in fiction. It's why you can't apply Occam's Razor to fiction, because there is artifice here, there IS a designer and a grand design, there IS a plan, which means that sometimes the simplest explanation is not necessarily the one the author intended.

You need to pick up books more often. Concidences do happen in literature. But usually its due to poor writting and plotholes, in video game the problem of having none of them is even greater for many reasons: Theres more then 1 people working on the plot, theres people working on art asset that are not the same making the plot.

There are plotholes all over Mass effect 1, while not as anti climatic they are there:

-Why did saren wait at virmire for shepard, when he had the second beacon himself(hello this one can be placed as coincidence, saren was still there and shepard was there at same time !!!!)?
-why did he not simply destroy it after reading it?
-Why did sovereign decide to fight shepard on foot after the door of the citadel where open already, meaning saren had failed and shepard mission was over, yet sovereign was beating the fleet on his own? Most retarded reaper of all time?
-The evidence against saren is a voice recording in the ages when spaceship can zoom across the galaxy we cant counterfeith voices recording anymore? Voice recording still passes as evidence? A voice recording now would take months to legitimize in court, if it was the only evidence?

Shall I quantify that then by saying "good" literature?

But either way;

-Saren was on Virmire because he was overseeing the creation of his Krogan army. I am sure someone who has read the book he was featured in (I think it was Redemption? Deception? I forget, so many that end in tion.) will correct me if I am wrong, but Saren never struck me as the sort to delegate things he felt were important.

-Why bother? We already had gotten to the first one, he had the second one in a place no one would get to it (or so he thought) and I highly doubt the Protheans built self destruct things into their beacons.

- (going to steal a joke here, hold on.) What in God's Holy name are you blathering about?! Shepard fighting Sovereign on foot? What? You mean when he ASSUMED DIRECT CONTROL of Saren? Um, let's see, because he wanted the Citadel sealed again, since even he knew he wasn't invincible and wanted the arms closed again as a protective shield, or he was just petty and figured it would be no effort to kill Shepard personally? Take your pick.

- It was enough to continue investegation, especially since he already was under suspicion, and Udina raised a big stink about it, they also had a witness willing to testify that she had removed it from a Geth whom had reported it to C-Sec (which they ignored, leading to the death of another witness, read the comics), she had never MET Saren, had no real method of synthesizing it, and much like photo analysis software we have today, I am sure they had some method of being certain it wasn't edited or altered.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Arian Dynas wrote...

- (going to steal a joke here, hold on.) What in God's Holy name are you blathering about?! Shepard fighting Sovereign on foot? What? You mean when he ASSUMED DIRECT CONTROL of Saren? Um, let's see, because he wanted the Citadel sealed again, since even he knew he wasn't invincible and wanted the arms closed again as a protective shield, or he was just petty and figured it would be no effort to kill Shepard personally? Take your pick.

Especially this. Sovereign seemed invincible in that battle, but there is a huge leap between seeming and beeing. For all we know his barriers were dropping fast under the constant barrage and would have gone down eventually if he did not somewhow prevent more ships from reaching him, such as closing the station.

[SubAstris]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, I realized the major thing that seperates us from the conspiracy theorists we are pegged as so regularly.

In real life, coincidences DO happen.

They don't in fiction. It's why you can't apply Occam's Razor to fiction, because there is artifice here, there IS a designer and a grand design, there IS a plan, which means that sometimes the simplest explanation is not necessarily the one the author intended.

You need to pick up books more often. Concidences do happen in literature. But usually its due to poor writting and plotholes, in video game the problem of having none of them is even greater for many reasons: Theres more then 1 people working on the plot, theres people working on art asset that are not the same making the plot.

There are plotholes all over Mass effect 1, while not as anti climatic they are there:

-Why did saren wait at virmire for shepard, when he had the second beacon himself(hello this one can be placed as coincidence, saren was still there and shepard was there at same time !!!!)?
-why did he not simply destroy it after reading it?
-Why did sovereign decide to fight shepard on foot after the door of the citadel where open already, meaning saren had failed and shepard mission was over, yet sovereign was beating the fleet on his own? Most retarded reaper of all time?
-The evidence against saren is a voice recording in the ages when spaceship can zoom across the galaxy we cant counterfeith voices recording anymore? Voice recording still passes as evidence? A voice recording now would take months to legitimize in court, if it was the only evidence?

Shall I quantify that then by saying "good" literature?

But either way;

-Saren was on Virmire because he was overseeing the creation of his Krogan army. I am sure someone who has read the book he was featured in (I think it was Redemption? Deception? I forget, so many that end in tion.) will correct me if I am wrong, but Saren never struck me as the sort to delegate things he felt were important.

Tbh, you shouldn't have to read the books to get a complete picture of what is going on

[Salient Archer]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Shall I quantify that then by saying "good" literature?

But either way;

-Saren was on Virmire because he was overseeing the creation of his Krogan army. I am sure someone who has read the book he was featured in (I think it was Redemption? Deception? I forget, so many that end in tion.) will correct me if I am wrong, but Saren never struck me as the sort to delegate things he felt were important.

It was in Revelation. In it we learn that Saren would never delegate as he doesn't trust others. He's happy to use individuals to further his goals but will never leave anyone else in charge, Hence why he became indoctrinated in the first place. Saren knew the risks of coming into contact with Sovereign but its importance to furthering his own ambitions outweighed that risk.

Also, it's not a -tion prefix it's an -ion prefix (Evolution, Incurstion, Insurection, Ascension, Retribution, Inquisition, Conviction, Invasion)

[gunslinger_ruiz]

London calling to the faraway towns
Now war is declared-and battle come down
London calling to the underworld
Come out of the cupboard, you boys and girls
London calling, now don't look at us
Phoney Beatlemania has bitten the dust
London calling, see we ain't got no swing
Except for the ring of that truncheon thing

(chorus 1)
The ice age is coming, the sun is zooming in
Meltdown expected, the wheat is growing thin
Engines stop running, but I have no fear
London is drowning-and I live by the river

London calling to the imitation zone
Forget it, brother, you can go it alone
London calling, to the zombies of death
Quit holding out-and draw another breath
London calling-and I don't wanna shout
But when we were talking-I saw you nodding out
London calling, see we ain't got no high
Except for that one with the yellowy eyes

[chorus 2]
The ice age is coming, the sun zooming in
Engines stop running and the wheat is growing thin
A nuclear error, but I have no fear
'Cause London is drowning-and I live by the river

Now get this;
London calling, yeah, I was there too
An' you know what they said? Well, some of it was true!
London calling at the top of the dial
After all this won't you give me a smile?

I never felt so much alike(echos)

-The Clash.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:37 .

[Salient Archer]

SubAstris wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, I realized the major thing that seperates us from the conspiracy theorists we are pegged as so regularly.

In real life, coincidences DO happen.

They don't in fiction. It's why you can't apply Occam's Razor to fiction, because there is artifice here, there IS a designer and a grand design, there IS a plan, which means that sometimes the simplest explanation is not necessarily the one the author intended.

You need to pick up books more often. Concidences do happen in literature. But usually its due to poor writting and plotholes, in video game the problem of having none of them is even greater for many reasons: Theres more then 1 people working on the plot, theres people working on art asset that are not the same making the plot.

There are plotholes all over Mass effect 1, while not as anti climatic they are there:

-Why did saren wait at virmire for shepard, when he had the second beacon himself(hello this one can be placed as coincidence, saren was still there and shepard was there at same time !!!!)?
-why did he not simply destroy it after reading it?
-Why did sovereign decide to fight shepard on foot after the door of the citadel where open already, meaning saren had failed and shepard mission was over, yet sovereign was beating the fleet on his own? Most retarded reaper of all time?
-The evidence against saren is a voice recording in the ages when spaceship can zoom across the galaxy we cant counterfeith voices recording anymore? Voice recording still passes as evidence? A voice recording now would take months to legitimize in court, if it was the only evidence?

Shall I quantify that then by saying "good" literature?

But either way;

-Saren was on Virmire because he was overseeing the creation of his Krogan army. I am sure someone who has read the book he was featured in (I think it was Redemption? Deception? I forget, so many that end in tion.) will correct me if I am wrong, but Saren never struck me as the sort to delegate things he felt were important.

Tbh, you shouldn't have to read the books to get a complete picture of what is going on

TBH you don't actually need too, but it's doing yourself a disservice as a dedicated ME fan if you don't. However, Saren's character, motives and methods are spelt out very clearly in the games. In ME1 I'm positive there's a line about how he always works alone.

[Arian Dynas]

SubAstris wrote...

Not forgetting that there were no writers on ME1 working on ME3 and very few of the original writers working on ME2 either.

But clearly ME1 was also a dream!

...

CHECK YOUR FACTS!

Mac Walters, Mass Effect 1 writer. Mass Effect 2 lead writer. Mass effect 3 lead writer.

Patrick Weekes, Mass Effect 1 writer. Mass Effect 2 writer. Mass Effect 3 writer.

Jay Watamaniuk, Mass Effect 2 and 3 writer, relative of the Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 lead designer, Preston Watamaniuk.

Derek Watts, Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 Art Director.

Chris L'Etolie, Mass Effect 1 and 2 writer.

Luke Kristjanson, Mass Effect 1 and 2 writer.

David Faulkner, Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 lead programmer.

Chris Hepler, Mass Effect 2 and 3 writer.

CASEY HUDSON, MASS EFFECT 1, 2 AND 3 PROJECT DIRECTOR.

Considering Mass Effect 1 had a writing team of 4 people and two of them worked on all three games and at least two others were on board since ME2, I would say you are rather resoundingly full of crap.

And all of this is STILL discounting Drew Karpyshyn who was involved as Lead Writer of ME1 and ME2, whom was only uninvolved with ME3 due to choosing to leave Bioware to pursue his own interests as a writer, and to be honest, while he was a major part of the writing for the series, so was Mac, Patrick, Casey and all the others as the entire thing was written by committee.

Also, only two of the ME2 writers were not involved with ME3, and L'Etolie left Bioware to work at ZeniMaz while Kristjanson was transferred to the Dragon Age team. And for the record, ME3 had a writing team TWICE the size of ME1. Ten people had to agree on these endings, at least 5 of them had been there since ME1. 2 of them had been there since ME2.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 01 juillet 2012 - 11:01 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Salient Archer wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, I realized the major thing that seperates us from the conspiracy theorists we are pegged as so regularly.

In real life, coincidences DO happen.

They don't in fiction. It's why you can't apply Occam's Razor to fiction, because there is artifice here, there IS a designer and a grand design, there IS a plan, which means that sometimes the simplest explanation is not necessarily the one the author intended.

You need to pick up books more often. Concidences do happen in literature. But usually its due to poor writting and plotholes, in video game the problem of having none of them is even greater for many reasons: Theres more then 1 people working on the plot, theres people working on art asset that are not the same making the plot.

There are plotholes all over Mass effect 1, while not as anti climatic they are there:

-Why did saren wait at virmire for shepard, when he had the second beacon himself(hello this one can be placed as coincidence, saren was still there and shepard was there at same time !!!!)?
-why did he not simply destroy it after reading it?
-Why did sovereign decide to fight shepard on foot after the door of the citadel where open already, meaning saren had failed and shepard mission was over, yet sovereign was beating the fleet on his own? Most retarded reaper of all time?
-The evidence against saren is a voice recording in the ages when spaceship can zoom across the galaxy we cant counterfeith voices recording anymore? Voice recording still passes as evidence? A voice recording now would take months to legitimize in court, if it was the only evidence?

Shall I quantify that then by saying "good" literature?

But either way;

-Saren was on Virmire because he was overseeing the creation of his Krogan army. I am sure someone who has read the book he was featured in (I think it was Redemption? Deception? I forget, so many that end in tion.) will correct me if I am wrong, but Saren never struck me as the sort to delegate things he felt were important.

Tbh, you shouldn't have to read the books to get a complete picture of what is going on

TBH you don't actually need too, but it's doing yourself a disservice as a dedicated ME fan if you don't. However, Saren's character, motives and methods are spelt out very clearly in the games. In ME1 I'm positive there's a line about how he always works alone.

I've never read the books and I have a solid picture of whats going on o.O
I have Bought the books though, just got them a couple days ago, working through the first one in my spare time.

[Arian Dynas]

SubAstris wrote...

Tbh, you shouldn't have to read the books to get a complete picture of what is going on

You're right, it would be unfair to penalize those who would be left unable to discern a sentence if deprived of their index fingers.

[Andromidius]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Nothing wrong in that, i still trust them to write a good story especially since they for the most part proved it with every other part of ME3.

For the most part.  I can forgive certain weird elements, but the ending is so surreal and out of nowhere that its got to be a 'red herring'!

London Calling.

Red Herring.

The Atomic weight of Iron.

-128.5 Degrees Farenheit.

United Kingdom Intelligence Services.

Exactly.

[Salient Archer]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

*snip*

I've never read the books and I have a solid picture of whats going on o.O
I have Bought the books though, just got them a couple days ago, working through the first one in my spare time.

Do yourself a favor and don't read deception. The only good thing I can say about that book is that it lives up to its name.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Salient Archer wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

*snip*

I've never read the books and I have a solid picture of whats going on o.O
I have Bought the books though, just got them a couple days ago, working through the first one in my spare time.

Do yourself a favor and don't read deception. The only good thing I can say about that book is that it lives up to its name.

Heard about that. Only bought Revelation, Ascension, and Retribution. Any other noteworthy ones I'm missing?