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[DoomsdayDevice]

So, has anyone checked Shepard's voice in the Control/Synthesis endings for infrasound?

Because that would be a dead give-away for indoctrination.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 01 juillet 2012 - 12:29 .

[Smeffects]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

So, has anyone checked Shepard's voice in the Control/Synthesis endings for infrasound?

Because that would be a dead give-away for indoctrination.

Shepard doesent talk during Synthesis ending, because he is dead?

Shepard control the reaper in control... that would be like looking for something thats kinda obivious?

Modifié par Smeffects, 01 juillet 2012 - 12:36 .

[Leonia]

Sareth Cousland wrote...

Thanks for the heads-up, Arian. I don't have the time to look into this forum regularly, so the last info I had was that it was Loghain's voice. It's indeed very similar. Let's keep fingers crossed that there is more to come and a few of these mysteries will be solved.

Even if it had been Templeman's voice, wouldn't read much into that as he does Admiral Han'Garrel who, though a bit of an ass, isn't a villainous character.

Modifié par leonia42, 01 juillet 2012 - 12:52 .

[paxxton]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

So, has anyone checked Shepard's voice in the Control/Synthesis endings for infrasound?

Because that would be a dead give-away for indoctrination.

In Control when Shepard says "The man I was knew that he could only achieve it by becoming something greater" there is a strange Reaperish echo in his voice. Even though there's no such reverberation in his voice before and after he says it. It's as if he was forced to say that and hence the echo.

Modifié par paxxton, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:26 .

[SirLugash]

There is always this echo, sometimes clearer, sometimes not.
The reason is that Shepard (in a literal POV obviously) is dead and what we hear is the new Catalyst, based on Shepards personality and guided by his memories.
Just like the Starchild's voice turned reaperish voice in "So be it", it's this reaperish voice of "Shepard" in the beginning of the scene.

[TSA_383]

comrade gando wrote...

let me shift gears, I recall a tweet at one point from bioware a looong time ago (don't have the link I'm a putz). bioware was linking scannable bar codes to give hints to what's to come in ME3 (this is way pre-ME3).

They released several scannable bar codes that revealed images of what's to come, and so far they have all been true.

the final barcode that they released via their twitter (I think it was), revealed the image of a red fish. a red herring actually. red herring is a literary technique to signify that something is not right, something in the plot is place there specifically to mislead people.

Red Herring

and that was the last image they released. bioware could be up to something big, or those tweets could be a red herring of their own... I won't know until later at least... and I will either praise this series as the all time best series I've ever played... or cast it down as the biggest gaming disappointment I've ever seen...

p.s. here's an article about it I just googled just now, not the actual thing tho

I had a thread discussing this a while back:
http://social.biowar.../index/12159086

It's an interesting little series of clues and honestly I think there may still be something to it...

[paxxton]

SirLugash wrote...

There is always this echo, sometimes clearer, sometimes not.
The reason is that Shepard (in a literal POV obviously) is dead and what we hear is the new Catalyst, based on Shepards personality and guided by his memories.
Just like the Starchild's voice turned reaperish voice in "So be it", it's this reaperish voice of "Shepard" in the beginning of the scene.

Maybe, but the echo is louder during that line.
 
Shepard isn't completely dead, only his body was dissolved. His conciousness was transferred into a new being.

Modifié par paxxton, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:30 .

[SirLugash]

paxxton wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

There is always this echo, sometimes clearer, sometimes not.
The reason is that Shepard (in a literal POV obviously) is dead and what we hear is the new Catalyst, based on Shepards personality and guided by his memories.
Just like the Starchild's voice turned reaperish voice in "So be it", it's this reaperish voice of "Shepard" in the beginning of the scene.

Maybe, but the echo is louder during that line.
 
Shepard isn't completely dead, only his body was dissolved. His conciousness was transferred into a new being.

I'm not so sure, listening to what he says, it sounds more like he is referring to Shepard as a guy he never really knew, I think he says something like "His personality is what guides me" or something similar.
Referring to Shep as him/his makes it seem like they are not the same.
Hard to explain, it just seems like Reaper-Shep isn't just a synthesized organic Shepard, but an AI based on him.

[paxxton]

SirLugash wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

There is always this echo, sometimes clearer, sometimes not.
The reason is that Shepard (in a literal POV obviously) is dead and what we hear is the new Catalyst, based on Shepards personality and guided by his memories.
Just like the Starchild's voice turned reaperish voice in "So be it", it's this reaperish voice of "Shepard" in the beginning of the scene.

Maybe, but the echo is louder during that line.
 
Shepard isn't completely dead, only his body was dissolved. His conciousness was transferred into a new being.

I'm not so sure, listening to what he says, it sounds more like he is referring to Shepard as a guy he never really knew, I think he says something like "His personality is what guides me" or something similar.
Referring to Shep as him/his makes it seem like they are not the same.
Hard to explain, it just seems like Reaper-Shep isn't just a synthesized organic Shepard, but an AI based on him.

There should be no difference if not for one caveat. Refering to Shepard as "he" sounds a bit fishy. It seems as if the new Catalyst is aware of his creator therefore leaving an open possibility for rebellion (the created will always rebel against their creators). Perhaps, we've gotten to know the new antagonist of Mass Effect 4.

Modifié par paxxton, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:52 .

[EpyonX3]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Its not just Shepard who's special in the story, its humans in general, they have genetic diversity that other species lack. And Actually when you think about it humans seem to be a bit more resistant to indoctrination than others. Take TIM and grayson for example, both able to maintain a large part of themselves free from the effects of indoc for prolonged periods of time.

And Shepard a human that stands out from the rest.

Given the bottleneck in the human population in the last 70,000~ years, it's borderline ludicrous that humanity would be the most genetically diverse species in the galaxy. Humans are one of the least genetically diverse species on Earth, but they're somehow more diverse than the rest of the galaxy? That plot point has always bothered me.

I know it's old but I'd like to comment.

The writters made humand more diverse and interesting to the reapers by making the other species less genetically diverse.

Harbinger explains why:

Salarians have fragile genetic structure. I'm sure they were the last ones attacked.
Turians are too primitive. I don't know what that means exactly, but it's obvious they don't like Turians
Asari, although the top race in the galaxy, depend on other species to reproduce normally. That's genetic weakness
Krogan are sterilized and it's coded into their dna. So their potential is wasted. And a good thing too. Could you imagine fighting Krogan husks? It'd be game over.

We're the only ones in the galaxy missing all of those weak traits. We may not be a dominant force, but that's not the most important factor when harvesting.

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

There is always this echo, sometimes clearer, sometimes not.
The reason is that Shepard (in a literal POV obviously) is dead and what we hear is the new Catalyst, based on Shepards personality and guided by his memories.
Just like the Starchild's voice turned reaperish voice in "So be it", it's this reaperish voice of "Shepard" in the beginning of the scene.

Maybe, but the echo is louder during that line.
 
Shepard isn't completely dead, only his body was dissolved. His conciousness was transferred into a new being.

I disagree. The Catalyst was pretty straight forward. Shepard dies, but his thought process and memories would be saved and used for the new catalyst. When Sheaper speaks, he says, "Through his death I was created" Even the Sheaper knows that Shepard is dead and he was born from his death.

If Shepard weren't dead, he'd be speaking normally, like when in the geth servers.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Its not just Shepard who's special in the story, its humans in general, they have genetic diversity that other species lack. And Actually when you think about it humans seem to be a bit more resistant to indoctrination than others. Take TIM and grayson for example, both able to maintain a large part of themselves free from the effects of indoc for prolonged periods of time.

And Shepard a human that stands out from the rest.

Given the bottleneck in the human population in the last 70,000~ years, it's borderline ludicrous that humanity would be the most genetically diverse species in the galaxy. Humans are one of the least genetically diverse species on Earth, but they're somehow more diverse than the rest of the galaxy? That plot point has always bothered me.

I know it's old but I'd like to comment.

The writters made humand more diverse and interesting to the reapers by making the other species less genetically diverse.

Harbinger explains why:

Salarians have fragile genetic structure. I'm sure they were the last ones attacked.
Turians are too primitive. I don't know what that means exactly, but it's obvious they don't like Turians
Asari, although the top race in the galaxy, depend on other species to reproduce normally. That's genetic weakness
Krogan are sterilized and it's coded into their dna. So their potential is wasted. And a good thing too. Could you imagine fighting Krogan husks? It'd be game over.

We're the only ones in the galaxy missing all of those weak traits. We may not be a dominant force, but that's not the most important factor when harvesting.

Brutes are krogan-turian hybrids and they are deadly. Turians are considered too primitive by the Reapers probably because they have very strict rules, authoritarian society.

[comrade gando]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Could roughly translate as "Mass Effect 3 will take place on Earth, London is important. Also don't read too much into this."
Or, if you do read too much into it as I have, "Mass Effect 3 will take place on Earth, London is an Indoctrination Zone (London calling to the imitation zone), watch out for Harbinger, the ending choices are indicitive of a Red Herring."

bioware released that a long time ago, and they had no idea the rEApers were going to cut their development time, so the original ME3 ending was rushed, and EC was the intended one. So what does the red herring mean? we still got a ton of unexplained events in the end.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

There is always this echo, sometimes clearer, sometimes not.
The reason is that Shepard (in a literal POV obviously) is dead and what we hear is the new Catalyst, based on Shepards personality and guided by his memories.
Just like the Starchild's voice turned reaperish voice in "So be it", it's this reaperish voice of "Shepard" in the beginning of the scene.

Maybe, but the echo is louder during that line.
 
Shepard isn't completely dead, only his body was dissolved. His conciousness was transferred into a new being.

I disagree. The Catalyst was pretty straight forward. Shepard dies, but his thought process and memories would be saved and used for the new catalyst. When Sheaper speaks, he says, "Through his death I was created" Even the Sheaper knows that Shepard is dead and he was born from his death.

If Shepard weren't dead, he'd be speaking normally, like when in the geth servers.

Today when body dies it is considered as death. But if you could transfer your mind into a new medium (e.g. a machine), the definition of death would change. The sound of your voice would depend on what speech aparatus the new medium would have.

I also commented on the new Shepard being somewhat different than the old one.

paxxton wrote...

There should be no difference if not for one caveat. Refering to Shepard as "he" sounds a bit fishy. It seems as if the new Catalyst is aware of his creator therefore leaving an open possibility for rebellion (the created will always rebel against their creators). Perhaps, we've gotten to know the new antagonist of Mass Effect 4.

Modifié par paxxton, 01 juillet 2012 - 02:29 .

[prettz]

well I finally got around to playing the EC so I'm way behind what has been discused but did anyone find that what looks like Major Coats dead on the citadel:blink:  of course when you get control of Shepard the body is gone:o...

www.youtube.com/watch

[HellishFiend]

Welcome back prettz!

edit: and dang, that really does look like Coats doesnt it? Especially suspicious since it disappears after you gain control...

Modifié par HellishFiend, 01 juillet 2012 - 02:41 .

[D.Sharrah]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Its not just Shepard who's special in the story, its humans in general, they have genetic diversity that other species lack. And Actually when you think about it humans seem to be a bit more resistant to indoctrination than others. Take TIM and grayson for example, both able to maintain a large part of themselves free from the effects of indoc for prolonged periods of time.

And Shepard a human that stands out from the rest.

Given the bottleneck in the human population in the last 70,000~ years, it's borderline ludicrous that humanity would be the most genetically diverse species in the galaxy. Humans are one of the least genetically diverse species on Earth, but they're somehow more diverse than the rest of the galaxy? That plot point has always bothered me.

I know it's old but I'd like to comment.

The writters made humand more diverse and interesting to the reapers by making the other species less genetically diverse.

Harbinger explains why:

Salarians have fragile genetic structure. I'm sure they were the last ones attacked.
Turians are too primitive. I don't know what that means exactly, but it's obvious they don't like Turians
Asari, although the top race in the galaxy, depend on other species to reproduce normally. That's genetic weakness
Krogan are sterilized and it's coded into their dna. So their potential is wasted. And a good thing too. Could you imagine fighting Krogan husks? It'd be game over.

We're the only ones in the galaxy missing all of those weak traits. We may not be a dominant force, but that's not the most important factor when harvesting.

Imagine the next cycle with the two most prominent races being the Krogan and the Yahg...I almost feel sorry for the Reapers - those two could put some serious hurt on anyone.

[D.Sharrah]

prettz wrote...

well I finally got around to playing the EC so I'm way behind what has been discused but did anyone find that what looks like Major Coats dead on the citadel:blink:  of course when you get control of Shepard the body is gone:o...

www.youtube.com/watch

Wow...just...wow. But then who is radioing the forces back on earth...

[HellishFiend]

D.Sharrah wrote...

prettz wrote...

well I finally got around to playing the EC so I'm way behind what has been discused but did anyone find that what looks like Major Coats dead on the citadel:blink:  of course when you get control of Shepard the body is gone:o...

www.youtube.com/watch

Wow...just...wow. But then who is radioing the forces back on earth...

Well, since that whole scene is most likely a full hallucination, it couldnt be the "real" Coats, but it could be Shep's subconscious trying to tell him something is wrong with the real Coats...

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

There is always this echo, sometimes clearer, sometimes not.
The reason is that Shepard (in a literal POV obviously) is dead and what we hear is the new Catalyst, based on Shepards personality and guided by his memories.
Just like the Starchild's voice turned reaperish voice in "So be it", it's this reaperish voice of "Shepard" in the beginning of the scene.

Maybe, but the echo is louder during that line.
 
Shepard isn't completely dead, only his body was dissolved. His conciousness was transferred into a new being.

I disagree. The Catalyst was pretty straight forward. Shepard dies, but his thought process and memories would be saved and used for the new catalyst. When Sheaper speaks, he says, "Through his death I was created" Even the Sheaper knows that Shepard is dead and he was born from his death.

If Shepard weren't dead, he'd be speaking normally, like when in the geth servers.

Today when body dies it is considered as death. But if you could transfer your mind into a new medium (e.g. a machine), the definition of death would change. The sound of your voice would depend on what speech aparatus the new medium would have.

I also commented on the new Shepard being somewhat different than the old one.

paxxton wrote...

There should be no difference if not for one caveat. Refering to Shepard as "he" sounds a bit fishy. It seems as if the new Catalyst is aware of his creator therefore leaving an open possibility for rebellion (the created will always rebel against their creators). Perhaps, we've gotten to know the new antagonist of Mass Effect 4.

Paxxton....Harpard is no longer Shepard...but  some sadistic combination of Shepard and Harbinger and no where in those lines that are delivered during the control ending can you even hear any semblance of the man that was once Shepard - not even my renegade Sheps ever thought those things...if he did he would have simply agreed with Saren in ME 1 and said, "Give me power!"

[Apollo-XL5]

Wow you guys are really clinging on there.

I really liked the IT but now I really like the Extended endings. (just to note, I liked the original endings just not how they were executed and so turned to IT as a way of it all making sense.)

[D.Sharrah]

HellishFiend wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

prettz wrote...

well I finally got around to playing the EC so I'm way behind what has been discused but did anyone find that what looks like Major Coats dead on the citadel:blink:  of course when you get control of Shepard the body is gone:o...

www.youtube.com/watch

Wow...just...wow. But then who is radioing the forces back on earth...

Well, since that whole scene is most likely a full hallucination, it couldnt be the "real" Coats, but it could be Shep's subconscious trying to tell him something is wrong with the real Coats...

Good point...again, knowing how much the players dissected the game before the release of the EC - I just can't see them leaving something like that in there w/o a purpose.  Your guess is good as any...but more importantly is sign that...

http://ts4.mm.bing.n...&h=147&c=7&rs=1

[HellishFiend]

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Wow you guys are really clinging on there.

I really liked the IT but now I really like the Extended endings. (just to note, I liked the original endings just not how they were executed and so turned to IT as a way of it all making sense.)

If you like shallow closure and thematic contradictions, the EC is great as-is, sure. But we're actually having fun here speculating on a theory that is still very much alive according to BW themselves. 

[D.Sharrah]

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Wow you guys are really clinging on there.

I really liked the IT but now I really like the Extended endings. (just to note, I liked the original endings just not how they were executed and so turned to IT as a way of it all making sense.)

This is something that I think most don't understand...IT does not have to exist in a vacuum.  I mean to say that Bioware does not have to come out and slap you in the face to tell you that IT is true...the clues are there...and if you approach it from the "Waking Nightmare Theory" (or partial hallucination), IT can co-exist right slong side the endings as they are.  I for one believe that they will continue to expand upon the endings with the SP DLC - and that each piece that comes out will "unlock" a little more about the endings... 

[comrade gando]

prettz wrote...

well I finally got around to playing the EC so I'm way behind what has been discused but did anyone find that what looks like Major Coats dead on the citadel:blink:  of course when you get control of Shepard the body is gone:o...

www.youtube.com/watch

LMAO now THAT'S funny! coates you clown what are you doing up here fiddling around in these corpse piles. then he disappears when you can control shepard? ...come here bioware... explain this please

Bioware: artis--

Me: LOGICALLY PLEASE