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[comrade gando]

imo EC only works for people who like the original endings already or just didn't like how they were "executed"... the ending still sucks. I don't care if they took a dump stand up or sitting down, they took a dump it doesn't matter HOW they executed it.

[GreenFlag]

prettz wrote...

well I finally got around to playing the EC so I'm way behind what has been discused but did anyone find that what looks like Major Coats dead on the citadel:blink:  of course when you get control of Shepard the body is gone:o...

www.youtube.com/watch

What? But, he spoke in radio, until Shep reached to the Beam...

IT will come with Leviathan, no doubt x)

[D.Sharrah]

This is all that needs to be said...

http://ts4.mm.bing.n...&h=147&c=7&rs=1

[Vaya]

D.Sharrah wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

prettz wrote...

well I finally got around to playing the EC so I'm way behind what has been discused but did anyone find that what looks like Major Coats dead on the citadel:blink:  of course when you get control of Shepard the body is gone:o...

www.youtube.com/watch

Wow...just...wow. But then who is radioing the forces back on earth...

Well, since that whole scene is most likely a full hallucination, it couldnt be the "real" Coats, but it could be Shep's subconscious trying to tell him something is wrong with the real Coats...

Good point...again, knowing how much the players dissected the game before the release of the EC - I just can't see them leaving something like that in there w/o a purpose.  Your guess is good as any...but more importantly is sign that...

http://ts4.mm.bing.n...&h=147&c=7&rs=1

It's not that they left it in for the EC, they actively went and added it. Its a fly cam of the keeper you see removing the helmet when you first get to the citadel, but in the cinematic view all you see is the helmet.

Modifié par Vaya, 01 juillet 2012 - 03:07 .

[Apollo-XL5]

Hey, l thought the theory was brilliant and if you guys want to continue to speculate about it then fair play to you.

I was just surprised that this thread is still going strong.

[prettz]

comrade gando wrote...

imo EC only works for people who like the original endings already or just didn't like how they were "executed"... the ending still sucks. I don't care if they took a dump stand up or sitting down, they took a dump it doesn't matter HOW they executed it.

my first experience with the EC ending was great! first thing I did was turn around and shoot star child and it got ****** off with the "SO BE IT!!!!" did not know of this "refuse ending" I started laughing out loud I really felt it was a parody ending. short of went like this
www.youtube.com/watch

[HellishFiend]

Vaya wrote...

It's not that they left it in for the EC, they actively went and added it. Its a fly cam of the keeper you see removing the helmet when you first get to the citadel, but in the cinematic view all you see is the helmet.

It's like theyre trying to give us more clues that something is wrong with Coats. 

Another big one? That short convo you have with Coats after arriving at the FOB is the only "normal" conversation in the entire game that you can not skip. 

[Sire Styx]

prettz wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

imo EC only works for people who like the original endings already or just didn't like how they were "executed"... the ending still sucks. I don't care if they took a dump stand up or sitting down, they took a dump it doesn't matter HOW they executed it.

my first experience with the EC ending was great! first thing I did was turn around and shoot star child and it got ****** off with the "SO BE IT!!!!" did not know of this "refuse ending" I started laughing out loud I really felt it was a parody ending. short of went like this
www.youtube.com/watch

The first thing I also did was turn around and shoot the catalyst. It's as if bioware knew we would be annoyed with the crap the catalyst spews and the awful endings, so they stuck that ending in lol.

Modifié par Sire Styx, 01 juillet 2012 - 03:11 .

[Lat2oo5]

prettz wrote...

well I finally got around to playing the EC so I'm way behind what has been discused but did anyone find that what looks like Major Coats dead on the citadel:blink:  of course when you get control of Shepard the body is gone:o...

www.youtube.com/watch

Omg, really good catch! How could this be explained without IT?
Did you see more interesting corpses just in case?

[dreamgazer]

prettz wrote...

well I finally got around to playing the EC so I'm way behind what has been discused but did anyone find that what looks like Major Coats dead on the citadel:blink:  of course when you get control of Shepard the body is gone:o...

www.youtube.com/watch

Certainly adds an interesting element to the whole "the Citadel is surreal" idea.

But why wouldn't BioWare place harder emphasis on Coats' body after you gain control of Shepard, if it's a suggestive tool? 

[masster blaster]

Guys I was reading the genetic stuff about the hunmans and i now know what Synthesis is. Add you DNA to the Crucible, but it overwrites everyones DNA to Human DNA. Think about it. My eles would the Catalyst give us Synthesis if we can ubtain peace in Destroy because we have killed a lot of Reapers in this Cycle so they needed more to harvest to creat more of them but since they are bing killed they have to kill and submite a lot of their food because this cycle is doing to much damge to the Reapers. Also Hudson like you said on page 1457 talked about this is their reproductive cycle and it's funny that the Reapers are intrested in human DNA because of our genetic material, in which case the Catalyst had a human (*hepard)

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

There is always this echo, sometimes clearer, sometimes not.
The reason is that Shepard (in a literal POV obviously) is dead and what we hear is the new Catalyst, based on Shepards personality and guided by his memories.
Just like the Starchild's voice turned reaperish voice in "So be it", it's this reaperish voice of "Shepard" in the beginning of the scene.

Maybe, but the echo is louder during that line.
 
Shepard isn't completely dead, only his body was dissolved. His conciousness was transferred into a new being.

I disagree. The Catalyst was pretty straight forward. Shepard dies, but his thought process and memories would be saved and used for the new catalyst. When Sheaper speaks, he says, "Through his death I was created" Even the Sheaper knows that Shepard is dead and he was born from his death.

If Shepard weren't dead, he'd be speaking normally, like when in the geth servers.

Today when body dies it is considered as death. But if you could transfer your mind into a new medium (e.g. a machine), the definition of death would change. The sound of your voice would depend on what speech aparatus the new medium would have.

I also commented on the new Shepard being somewhat different than the old one.

paxxton wrote...

There should be no difference if not for one caveat. Refering to Shepard as "he" sounds a bit fishy. It seems as if the new Catalyst is aware of his creator therefore leaving an open possibility for rebellion (the created will always rebel against their creators). Perhaps, we've gotten to know the new antagonist of Mass Effect 4.

Paxxton....Harpard is no longer Shepard...but  some sadistic combination of Shepard and Harbinger and no where in those lines that are delivered during the control ending can you even hear any semblance of the man that was once Shepard - not even my renegade Sheps ever thought those things...if he did he would have simply agreed with Saren in ME 1 and said, "Give me power!"

Whoa... I didn't hear anything that would suggest this in my ending. On the contrary, he is willing to help rebuild everything, empower organics, protect them, create limitless possibilities of improvement for them.

[TSA_383]

prettz wrote...

well I finally got around to playing the EC so I'm way behind what has been discused but did anyone find that what looks like Major Coats dead on the citadel:blink:  of course when you get control of Shepard the body is gone:o...

www.youtube.com/watch

Is that what the second (new) keeper does?

[D.Sharrah]

prettz wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

imo EC only works for people who like the original endings already or just didn't like how they were "executed"... the ending still sucks. I don't care if they took a dump stand up or sitting down, they took a dump it doesn't matter HOW they executed it.

my first experience with the EC ending was great! first thing I did was turn around and shoot star child and it got ****** off with the "SO BE IT!!!!" did not know of this "refuse ending" I started laughing out loud I really felt it was a parody ending. short of went like this
www.youtube.com/watch

That's funny...I got that ending through dialogue and thought that it was quite powerful...especially Shep's mini speech.  Here:

[comrade gando]

idk about this coates thing though, sure he's there on the citadel for some reason, but you can't see him without flycam. same way there is a copy of anderson behind closed doors in the intro scene to ME3, but you can't see him without fly cam... kinda damages this coates thing unfortunately

[prettz]

dreamgazer wrote...

prettz wrote...

snip
www.youtube.com/watch

Certainly adds an interesting element to the whole "the Citadel is surreal" idea.

But why wouldn't BioWare place harder emphasis on Coats' body after you gain control of Shepard, if it's a suggestive tool? 

worst case scenario, it's just BioWare messing with us knowing we look at everything with a magnified glass.

anyways the sun is up and I have not gone to sleep yet, good to be back thou, was so hard not to look at the forums till my PC got fixed:pinched:

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

There is always this echo, sometimes clearer, sometimes not.
The reason is that Shepard (in a literal POV obviously) is dead and what we hear is the new Catalyst, based on Shepards personality and guided by his memories.
Just like the Starchild's voice turned reaperish voice in "So be it", it's this reaperish voice of "Shepard" in the beginning of the scene.

Maybe, but the echo is louder during that line.
 
Shepard isn't completely dead, only his body was dissolved. His conciousness was transferred into a new being.

I disagree. The Catalyst was pretty straight forward. Shepard dies, but his thought process and memories would be saved and used for the new catalyst. When Sheaper speaks, he says, "Through his death I was created" Even the Sheaper knows that Shepard is dead and he was born from his death.

If Shepard weren't dead, he'd be speaking normally, like when in the geth servers.

Today when body dies it is considered as death. But if you could transfer your mind into a new medium (e.g. a machine), the definition of death would change. The sound of your voice would depend on what speech aparatus the new medium would have.

I also commented on the new Shepard being somewhat different than the old one.

paxxton wrote...

There should be no difference if not for one caveat. Refering to Shepard as "he" sounds a bit fishy. It seems as if the new Catalyst is aware of his creator therefore leaving an open possibility for rebellion (the created will always rebel against their creators). Perhaps, we've gotten to know the new antagonist of Mass Effect 4.

Paxxton....Harpard is no longer Shepard...but  some sadistic combination of Shepard and Harbinger and no where in those lines that are delivered during the control ending can you even hear any semblance of the man that was once Shepard - not even my renegade Sheps ever thought those things...if he did he would have simply agreed with Saren in ME 1 and said, "Give me power!"

Whoa... I didn't hear anything that would suggest this in my ending. On the contrary, he is willing to help rebuild everything, empower organics, protect them, create limitless possibilities of improvement for them.

Very first words out of Harpard's mouth:

http://www.youtube.c...BllnO8Tc#t=388s

+ the overall tone of that ending...my Shep never showed anything like that paersonality - more reminscent of Harbinger, Sovereign, Reapers in general...

[TSA_383]

comrade gando wrote...

idk about this coates thing though, sure he's there on the citadel for some reason, but you can't see him without flycam. same way there is a copy of anderson behind closed doors in the intro scene to ME3, but you can't see him without fly cam... kinda damages this coates thing unfortunately

Why use Coates though? They have a whole bunch of "generic soldier" models.

Oh right I forgot - "Lots of speculation from everyone!"

By the by, quick poll, do you think bioware will ever give these endings closure. No "oh look, breath scene! Cliffhanger!" bull****, just closure?

[D.Sharrah]

comrade gando wrote...

idk about this coates thing though, sure he's there on the citadel for some reason, but you can't see him without flycam. same way there is a copy of anderson behind closed doors in the intro scene to ME3, but you can't see him without fly cam... kinda damages this coates thing unfortunately

The point being that Bioware now nows (or should know) that the fans were going to fly cam the hell out of every scene...if they didn't intend it to be a clue and just wanted to show the helmet, why not have a random alliance soldier there, instead of one that so closely resembles Coates?

[comrade gando]

@TSA

I think they're going to have to, there's still a hefty amount of people who don't like the ending, and that's going to affect DLC sales imo. they're gonna have to address that ending sooner or later. imo

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

He's talking about the Toba Catastrophe. A supervolcano eruption about 70,000. The only supervolcano to have erupted in mankind's time on Earth. For those not familiar with the term, a supervolcano is to a volcano what an atomic bomb is to a grenade. Mt. St. Helen's was a tiny fizzle compared to Toba, which was such an immense blast that it actually caused a minor nuclear winter (technically volcanic winter) and ice age. Experts estimate humans may have been down to only about a thousand breeding pairs after the Toba Catastrophe was done killing.

BTW, there's a supervolcano under Yellowstone Park. It's overdue to erupt. It's bigger than Toba. Sleep tight.

Arent there three supervolcanoes in the US?

Huh. You're right. I never noticed that. Only six definite ones in the world and three of them are here in the US. I sure hope God isn't planning to teach us a lesson about hubris.

Lokanaiya wrote...

The same way that hundreds or thousands of the galaxy's brightest scientists can all work together on building and understanding a single device and still not have a clue what it actually does? The Crucible makes absolutely no sense at all all, but then, considering how closely it's related to the Catalyst, I'd be surprised if it did.

You have to remember, these are the same numbnuts that thought Sovereign was a geth creation.

Arian Dynas wrote...

The Atomic weight of Iron could STILL be referring to Aquetias or however you spell the damn thing,

Another name for iron is Ferrite. Something-something Feros. Thorian, evil athlete's foot of the galaxy that accidentally made people immune to indoctrination from the Reapers.

As for the UK Intelligence link... maybe "use your intelligence when in the UK." Which usually just means don't turn on the TV and expect to find entertainment, but in ME3's case it means think about London.

Arian Dynas wrote...

In real life, coincidences DO happen.

A man named Morgan Robertson wrote a book about an "unsinkable luxury ocean liner" called the Titan that hit an iceberg 400 miles off Newfoundland and sank, each poor sap wondering "Why didn't we bring enough lifeboats?!" as it went down. Oh yeah, and he wrote it 14 years before the Titanic was built in real life. Other coincidences include but at not limited to: who owned both, what they looked like, how big they were, what month they sank, and what time of day.

SubAstris wrote...

Ok, I understand

If only you understood how to snip.

[D.Sharrah]

"Eternal, Infinite, Immortal..." - These are the very first words spoken by Harpard.  Followed by the claim that these were words used by Shepard - at what point in any of the games did Shepard ever say these things?

Who said these things...Sovereign, Harbinger, Rannoch Reaper, the Catalyst...but never Shepard.  If the influence isn't clear at this point...

Edit: Spelling.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 01 juillet 2012 - 03:49 .

[TSA_383]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Very first words out of Harpard's mouth:

http://www.youtube.c...BllnO8Tc#t=388s

+ the overall tone of that ending...my Shep never showed anything like that paersonality - more reminscent of Harbinger, Sovereign, Reapers in general...

There's more than one voice in that audio.
The very last line is just Hale, but for the rest of the audio there's a second track, may well be a guy speaking, but it's not Hale. It comes in particularly strongly on certain lines.

[Billyg3453]

IT folk. I have a question
Since EC has come out, people have been pointing to the "turn-on" sound Shepard's body makes when he wakes up after going through the beam as Indoc Proof.

Can someone explain to me how this supports Shepard is indoctrinated? I don't want to troll, I'm legitimately curious as no one has given me a straight answer.

[comrade gando]

Billyg3453 wrote...

IT folk. I have a question
Since EC has come out, people have been pointing to the "turn-on" sound Shepard's body makes when he wakes up after going through the beam as Indoc Proof.

Can someone explain to me how this supports Shepard is indoctrinated? I don't want to troll, I'm legitimately curious as no one has given me a straight answer.

well all I can do is speculate as to what it was. It certainly was odd to just have an unexplained mechanical 'jolt' just as anderson tries contacting shepard. Could it have been rescusitating equipment shepard may have in his armor? ... or something more sinister. nobody knows. nobody but the guy at bioware who said "we're going to have a mechanical sound jolt shepard to his feet when he hits the ground, and not explain what it was"