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Lazengan wrote...
this theory is postulated by deluded people who actually think Bioware's "artistic integrity" move was just them pulling your leg
no it wasn't, it was intended.
these are the endings, and they are here to stay. I hate them too, but I don't cling on to irrational hope.
IT belongs in fanfics
D.Sharrah wrote...
MattNI wrote...
D.Sharrah wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
Billyg3453 wrote...
I feel like that would have more merit if Shep had been shaking, losing control of himself, etc. But I feel that it's much more likely that as someone posted above that Shepard's mechanical parts simply restarted/rebooted and jolted him awake.
Obviously it cannot be proven either way, but logically, it seems like the better assumption in my opinion.
The problem is, we've gone two full games and quite a few DLC of ME2 with those cybernetics and this is the first time we've seen this jolt-up thing. Seems odd for it to pop up now and without an in-game reference.
Mind you, I'm not saying it's indoctrination related either. I don't see how it would be. I have no explanation for it at all to be honest. It's just... weird.
I thought about mentioning that too...but you're right right now it is unexplained. What's funny is that his original question was there any way to to tie it to IT - I thought that I did that quite nicely - even using an in universe example as support...
Didn't someone mention several dozen pages ago that the jolt could be a defibrillator and that also the moving panels past the door sounded like gunfire?
The bolded section from your comment does not explain the bolded section from Rinferno's comment at all...if it is something simple that is not meant to be a clue to anything else...its awfully convenient that it only happens at that specific moment in the game...
JasonSic wrote...
Lazengan wrote...
this theory is postulated by deluded people who actually think Bioware's "artistic integrity" move was just them pulling your leg
no it wasn't, it was intended.
these are the endings, and they are here to stay. I hate them too, but I don't cling on to irrational hope.
IT belongs in fanfics
There is nothing wrong with discussing the new clues the EC brings us.
JasonSic wrote...
Lazengan wrote...
this theory is postulated by deluded people who actually think Bioware's "artistic integrity" move was just them pulling your leg
no it wasn't, it was intended.
these are the endings, and they are here to stay. I hate them too, but I don't cling on to irrational hope.
IT belongs in fanfics
There is nothing wrong with discussing the new clues the EC brings us.
Not sure because in this case we would hear the same sound in Vancouver HQ when Shepard gets up from the floor after hitting a bench.Billyg3453 wrote...
I feel like that would have more merit if Shep had been shaking, losing control of himself, etc. But I feel that it's much more likely that as someone posted above that Shepard's mechanical parts simply restarted/rebooted and jolted him awake.D.Sharrah wrote...
Billyg3453 wrote...
IT folk. I have a question
Since EC has come out, people have been pointing to the "turn-on" sound Shepard's body makes when he wakes up after going through the beam as Indoc Proof.
Can someone explain to me how this supports Shepard is indoctrinated? I don't want to troll, I'm legitimately curious as no one has given me a straight answer.
My theory...remeber in ME 1 when Saren is "revived" (assumed direct control of) by Sovereign...his body shakes violently during the process (especially right at the beginning). My thought is what we see on the Citadel w/Shep is similar (although not nearly as violent b/c Shep is not dead). And they are "waking" Shep up so they can continue the indoctrination attempt.
Obviously it cannot be proven either way, but logically, it seems like the better assumption in my opinion.
Modifié par paxxton, 01 juillet 2012 - 04:34 .
Lazengan wrote...
this theory is postulated by deluded people who actually think Bioware's "artistic integrity" move was just them pulling your leg
no it wasn't, it was intended.
these are the endings, and they are here to stay. I hate them too, but I don't cling on to irrational hope.
IT belongs in fanfics
paxxton wrote...
Maybe he used them behind the scenes.D.Sharrah wrote...
SirLugash wrote...
Maybe they're the words Shepard used to describe the Reapers ?D.Sharrah wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Shepard has responsibilities now. He has become the Protector of the Galaxy with great power. Maybe it's not exactly Shepard but oh well...D.Sharrah wrote...
TSA_383 wrote...
D.Sharrah wrote...
Very first words out of Harpard's mouth:
http://www.youtube.c...BllnO8Tc#t=388s
+ the overall tone of that ending...my Shep never showed anything like that paersonality - more reminscent of Harbinger, Sovereign, Reapers in general...
There's more than one voice in that audio.
The very last line is just Hale, but for the rest of the audio there's a second track, may well be a guy speaking, but it's not Hale. It comes in particularly strongly on certain lines.
Well and this is my point...it is not Shepard. But some combination of Shepard and a Reaper (most likely Harbinger), hence Harpard.
And of course this is not the first time I have tried to sway Paxxton away from his folly of liking "Control"...but alas, I fear he may be gone and there is no more hope for him.His point of view evolved because it had to. He sees the big picture now.
"Eternal, Infinite, Immortal..." - These are the very first words spoken by Harpard. Followed by the claim that these were words used by Shepard - at what point in any of the games did Shepard ever say these things?
Who said these things...Sovereign, Harbinger, Rannoch Reaper, the Catalyst...but never Shepard. If the influence isn't clear at this point...
I do not ever remember this...anyone else remember this?
Modifié par Smeffects, 01 juillet 2012 - 04:34 .
Lazengan wrote...
JasonSic wrote...
Lazengan wrote...
this theory is postulated by deluded people who actually think Bioware's "artistic integrity" move was just them pulling your leg
no it wasn't, it was intended.
these are the endings, and they are here to stay. I hate them too, but I don't cling on to irrational hope.
IT belongs in fanfics
There is nothing wrong with discussing the new clues the EC brings us.
It's hopeless
It's like emotional film goers refusing to believe that Jack died in the Titanic, and so in their heads they create a universe in which that never happened and they get the ending they've always wanted.
They're called Fanfics
llbountyhunter wrote...
Literatist are like those who refuse to believe the earth was a sphere despite the mounting evidence.
Corrected and agreed with the bolded text.Smeffects wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Maybe he used them behind the scenes.D.Sharrah wrote...
SirLugash wrote...
Maybe they're the words Shepard used to describe the Reapers ?D.Sharrah wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Shepard has responsibilities now. He has become the Protector of the Galaxy with great power. Maybe it's not exactly Shepard but oh well...D.Sharrah wrote...
TSA_383 wrote...
D.Sharrah wrote...
Very first words out of Harpard's mouth:
http://www.youtube.c...BllnO8Tc#t=388s
+ the overall tone of that ending...my Shep never showed anything like that paersonality - more reminscent of Harbinger, Sovereign, Reapers in general...
There's more than one voice in that audio.
The very last line is just Hale, but for the rest of the audio there's a second track, may well be a guy speaking, but it's not Hale. It comes in particularly strongly on certain lines.
Well and this is my point...it is not Shepard. But some combination of Shepard and a Reaper (most likely Harbinger), hence Harpard.
And of course this is not the first time I have tried to sway Paxxton away from his folly of liking "Control"...but alas, I fear he may be gone and there is no more hope for him.
"Eternal, Infinite, Immortal..." - These are the very first words spoken by Harpard. Followed by the claim that these were words used by Shepard - at what point in any of the games did Shepard ever say these things?
Who said these things...Sovereign, Harbinger, Rannoch Reaper, the Catalyst...but never Shepard. If the influence isn't clear at this point...
I do not ever remember this...anyone else remember this?
Adding to that,its weird how IT conspiracist can be so literal when they need/want to.That speech about immortality doesent mean shepard use that word in the game or that its one of shepards value, simply that as a human he knew the words but didnt fully comprehend what they implied, until now.
Lazengan wrote...
It's hopeless
It's like emotional film goers refusing to believe that Jack died in the Titanic, and so in their heads they create a universe in which that never happened and they get the ending they've always wanted.
They're called Fanfics
llbountyhunter wrote...
Literatist are like those who refuse to believe the earth was a sphere despite the mounting evidence.
Smeffects wrote...
llbountyhunter wrote...
Literatist are like those who refuse to believe the earth was a sphere despite the mounting evidence.
One of the stupidest thing i ever read. Please do not try again to support or not IT with such ****.
dreamgazer wrote...
Lazengan wrote...
It's hopeless
It's like emotional film goers refusing to believe that Jack died in the Titanic, and so in their heads they create a universe in which that never happened and they get the ending they've always wanted.
They're called Fanfics
Until it's definitively explained that the Reapers weren't in Shepard's mind and manipulating him/her, evidenced at the very least by the catalyst's form as the Earth child, many elements discussed in this thread remain valid and compelling as interpretations of the game proper, and not just "fan fiction".
Lazengan wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
Lazengan wrote...
It's hopeless
It's like emotional film goers refusing to believe that Jack died in the Titanic, and so in their heads they create a universe in which that never happened and they get the ending they've always wanted.
They're called Fanfics
Until it's definitively explained that the Reapers weren't in Shepard's mind and manipulating him/her, evidenced at the very least by the catalyst's form as the Earth child, many elements discussed in this thread remain valid and compelling as interpretations of the game proper, and not just "fan fiction".
and I suppose that as long as the director clearly does not display Jack's frozen body with no measurable heartbeat, there is no clear evidence that he is deceased in anyone's eyes.
Lazengan wrote...
JasonSic wrote...
Lazengan wrote...
this theory is postulated by deluded people who actually think Bioware's "artistic integrity" move was just them pulling your leg
no it wasn't, it was intended.
these are the endings, and they are here to stay. I hate them too, but I don't cling on to irrational hope.
IT belongs in fanfics
There is nothing wrong with discussing the new clues the EC brings us.
It's hopeless
It's like emotional film goers refusing to believe that Jack died in the Titanic, and so in their heads they create a universe in which that never happened and they get the ending they've always wanted.
They're called Fanfics
Modifié par Big Bad, 01 juillet 2012 - 04:46 .
iT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE, I'm afraid. Although IT is probable we still don't know for sure if BioWare is intending to release it. Current endings make a lot of sense even though the evidence for IT is still there. What makes IT a better solution than the purely literal explanation is the potential for the continuation of the story in Mass Effect 4. Or maybe we are interpreting the evidence incorrectly and BioWare intended them to serve a different purpose.llbountyhunter wrote...
We have 3 games too back us up. What do literalists have? A lying little glowing reaper.
www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=tkatnxvzvZU
Modifié par paxxton, 01 juillet 2012 - 04:50 .
Smeffects wrote...
llbountyhunter wrote...
Literatist are like those who refuse to believe the earth was a sphere despite the mounting evidence.
One of the stupidest thing i ever read. Please do not try again to support or not IT with such ****.
llbountyhunter wrote...
Smeffects wrote...
llbountyhunter wrote...
Literatist are like those who refuse to believe the earth was a sphere despite the mounting evidence.
One of the stupidest thing i ever read. Please do not try again to support or not IT with such ****.
Hey, its not my fault you refuse to look deeper, and only only use what's on the surface.
Modifié par Smeffects, 01 juillet 2012 - 04:53 .
paxxton wrote...
iT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE, I'm afraid. Although IT is probable we still don't know for sure if BioWare is intending to release it. Current endings make a lot of sense even though the evidence for IT is still there. What makes IT a better possibility than the purely literal explanation is the potential for the continuation of the story in Mass Effect 4. Or maybe we interpreting the evidence incorrectly and BioWare intended them to serve a different purpose.llbountyhunter wrote...
We have 3 games too back us up. What do literalists have? A lying little glowing reaper.
www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=tkatnxvzvZU
Smeffects wrote...
Looking deeper and not accepting a theory as what you belive to be correct is not literlist. You fail to understand the word, you implied that not accepting the IT theory is like being a biblical literalist or such (someone that takes the bibble at face value). Thats incorrect and downright stupid ...
llbountyhunter wrote...
We have 3 games too back us up. What do literalists have? A lying little glowing reaper.
www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=tkatnxvzvZU
Modifié par Lazengan, 01 juillet 2012 - 04:55 .
Lazengan wrote...
JasonSic wrote...
Lazengan wrote...
this theory is postulated by deluded people who actually think Bioware's "artistic integrity" move was just them pulling your leg
no it wasn't, it was intended.
these are the endings, and they are here to stay. I hate them too, but I don't cling on to irrational hope.
IT belongs in fanfics
There is nothing wrong with discussing the new clues the EC brings us.
It's hopeless
It's like emotional film goers refusing to believe that Jack died in the Titanic, and so in their heads they create a universe in which that never happened and they get the ending they've always wanted.
They're called Fanfics
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