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#36576
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Smeffects wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

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Literatist are like those who refuse to believe the earth was a sphere  despite the mounting evidence.


One of the stupidest thing i ever read. Please do not try again to support or not IT with such ****.


Hey, its not my fault you refuse to look deeper, and only only use what's on the surface. 


Looking deeper and not accepting a theory as what you belive to be correct is not literlist. You fail to understand the word, you implied that not accepting the IT theory is like being a biblical literalist or such (someone that takes the bibble at face value). Thats incorrect and downright stupid, hell you had to be able to be part literalist to be a scientist, in those times to see things for what they were, not the magic drivel the religions gave you up for imagining. You can take anything literally or not. But somethings are literal, the earth being round is quit literal now, because we can all see that its round.



Wow. What a waste of a paragraph.

Do you take the mass effect endings literally?  If so your a literalist. No way around it.

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Lazengan wrote...

JasonSic wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

this theory is postulated by deluded people who actually think Bioware's "artistic integrity" move was just them pulling your leg

no it wasn't, it was intended.

these are the endings, and they are here to stay. I hate them too, but I don't cling on to irrational hope.

IT belongs in fanfics


There is nothing wrong with discussing the new clues the EC brings us.


It's hopeless

It's like emotional film goers refusing to believe that Jack died in the Titanic, and so in their heads they create a universe in which that never happened and they get the ending they've always wanted.

They're called Fanfics


You know, if you don't like seeing us continue to discuss IT, there is a simple, fool-proof solution for this:  don't click the link to this thread.  Problem solve.  Our debates and speculations will never bother you again.

In the meantime, if you're masochistic enough to keep coming back and getting annoyed about what we're doing here, that's your problem, not ours.


rampant deluded fanboyism is dangerous to your mental health

I'm afraid Bioware won't give you anything to work with here, you will all wither and die on the vine.

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Lazengan wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

We have 3 games too back us up. What do literalists have? A lying little glowing reaper.

www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=tkatnxvzvZU


Perhaps in your canon universe

Bioware is DONE with mass effect. EA and it's business practices have sucked out as much money out of this franchise as possible, and have abruptly ended the game as they saw fit.

Indoctrination theory, while it may be circulated and talked about among the community cannot be accepted as canon in Bioware's domain.

These are like all the theorists who claim that the Rugrats were figments of Angelica's imagination, Pokemon are aliens, Zion is part of the Matrix, Aladdin takes place in a post apocalyptic future

fun theories, and "all the evidence exists" but not truly canon and confirmed.

but the difference between those theorists and you guys, is that you cling on desperately HOPING that Bioware will throw a bone at you


 Except bioware said IT isn't false. If the literal ending is true, then why did they spend 3 months adding more evidence to IT?

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Just because something "might" be disproved does not mean an end to the discussion on the subject.
The question I've seen several times now "Why are people still discussing this?"; my question is why not?, it brings no harm and people with similar interest in the topic keep on talking, does not matter which side of the fence your on, talking is never a bad thing.

I watched the Mafia II forums die over night because folk stopped talking after the game did not live up to expectations, yet despite ME3 not living up to many's expectations everyone is still talking, this is a good thing.

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Lazengan wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

JasonSic wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

this theory is postulated by deluded people who actually think Bioware's "artistic integrity" move was just them pulling your leg

no it wasn't, it was intended.

these are the endings, and they are here to stay. I hate them too, but I don't cling on to irrational hope.

IT belongs in fanfics


There is nothing wrong with discussing the new clues the EC brings us.


It's hopeless

It's like emotional film goers refusing to believe that Jack died in the Titanic, and so in their heads they create a universe in which that never happened and they get the ending they've always wanted.

They're called Fanfics


You know, if you don't like seeing us continue to discuss IT, there is a simple, fool-proof solution for this:  don't click the link to this thread.  Problem solve.  Our debates and speculations will never bother you again.

In the meantime, if you're masochistic enough to keep coming back and getting annoyed about what we're doing here, that's your problem, not ours.


rampant deluded fanboyism is dangerous to your mental health

I'm afraid Bioware won't give you anything to work with here, you will all wither and die on the vine.


I could tell you the same. Living in a simple world with no desire to seek out the obvious if very damaging.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

We have 3 games too back us up. What do literalists have? A lying little glowing reaper.

www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=tkatnxvzvZU


Perhaps in your canon universe

Bioware is DONE with mass effect. EA and it's business practices have sucked out as much money out of this franchise as possible, and have abruptly ended the game as they saw fit.

Indoctrination theory, while it may be circulated and talked about among the community cannot be accepted as canon in Bioware's domain.

These are like all the theorists who claim that the Rugrats were figments of Angelica's imagination, Pokemon are aliens, Zion is part of the Matrix, Aladdin takes place in a post apocalyptic future

fun theories, and "all the evidence exists" but not truly canon and confirmed.

but the difference between those theorists and you guys, is that you cling on desperately HOPING that Bioware will throw a bone at you


 Except bioware said IT isn't false. If the literal ending is true, then why did they spend 3 months adding more evidence to IT?


oh and James Cameron never stated that Jack was confirmed dead, What about all the EVIDENCE THAT POSTULATES JACK COMING BACK AS A HALF FROZEN CYBORG?

I can work my way around every single work of fiction, and claim something happens because the creators don't deny it, and then claim "Evidence" by nitpicking every single detail.

Have you read the entire page of theories That Angelica simply imagined the rugrats in her head? There's a huge collection of "evidence", from all over the entire series.

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Lazengan wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

JasonSic wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

this theory is postulated by deluded people who actually think Bioware's "artistic integrity" move was just them pulling your leg

no it wasn't, it was intended.

these are the endings, and they are here to stay. I hate them too, but I don't cling on to irrational hope.

IT belongs in fanfics


There is nothing wrong with discussing the new clues the EC brings us.


It's hopeless

It's like emotional film goers refusing to believe that Jack died in the Titanic, and so in their heads they create a universe in which that never happened and they get the ending they've always wanted.

They're called Fanfics


You know, if you don't like seeing us continue to discuss IT, there is a simple, fool-proof solution for this:  don't click the link to this thread.  Problem solve.  Our debates and speculations will never bother you again.

In the meantime, if you're masochistic enough to keep coming back and getting annoyed about what we're doing here, that's your problem, not ours.


rampant deluded fanboyism is dangerous to your mental health

I'm afraid Bioware won't give you anything to work with here, you will all wither and die on the vine.


Last time I checked, you were not the arbiter of what is or is not good for my mental health, so please take your "concern" elsewhere. 

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Guys stop talking back to the literalisy they just want us to get off topic so Bioware can clouse down this froum as they did with the first forum of IT.

Also just because we believe that IT is in the endings does not meanit's in reality but what about the Breath scene and did you know Synthesis could also mean that the Catalyst wanted Shepards DNA/gentetic material so that everyone can have the human requierments of to be asended into a reaper, and also they are using the Reapers own thoughts to help everyone understand that they killed too many cycles to count so no worrys so now lets be friends for ever.



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llbountyhunter wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

JasonSic wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

this theory is postulated by deluded people who actually think Bioware's "artistic integrity" move was just them pulling your leg

no it wasn't, it was intended.

these are the endings, and they are here to stay. I hate them too, but I don't cling on to irrational hope.

IT belongs in fanfics


There is nothing wrong with discussing the new clues the EC brings us.


It's hopeless

It's like emotional film goers refusing to believe that Jack died in the Titanic, and so in their heads they create a universe in which that never happened and they get the ending they've always wanted.

They're called Fanfics


You know, if you don't like seeing us continue to discuss IT, there is a simple, fool-proof solution for this:  don't click the link to this thread.  Problem solve.  Our debates and speculations will never bother you again.

In the meantime, if you're masochistic enough to keep coming back and getting annoyed about what we're doing here, that's your problem, not ours.


rampant deluded fanboyism is dangerous to your mental health

I'm afraid Bioware won't give you anything to work with here, you will all wither and die on the vine.


I could tell you the same. Living in a simple world with no desire to seek out the obvious if very damaging.


I am not blind, I know very well about the hidden cospiracy involving a new world order, Lizardmen, 2012, the CIA, unit 731, the assasins and templars, and-

IVE SAID TOO MUCH

#36585
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Lazengan wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

We have 3 games too back us up. What do literalists have? A lying little glowing reaper.

www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=tkatnxvzvZU


Perhaps in your canon universe

Bioware is DONE with mass effect. EA and it's business practices have sucked out as much money out of this franchise as possible, and have abruptly ended the game as they saw fit.

Indoctrination theory, while it may be circulated and talked about among the community cannot be accepted as canon in Bioware's domain.

These are like all the theorists who claim that the Rugrats were figments of Angelica's imagination, Pokemon are aliens, Zion is part of the Matrix, Aladdin takes place in a post apocalyptic future

fun theories, and "all the evidence exists" but not truly canon and confirmed.

but the difference between those theorists and you guys, is that you cling on desperately HOPING that Bioware will throw a bone at you


 Except bioware said IT isn't false. If the literal ending is true, then why did they spend 3 months adding more evidence to IT?


oh and James Cameron never stated that Jack was confirmed dead, What about all the EVIDENCE THAT POSTULATES JACK COMING BACK AS A HALF FROZEN CYBORG?

I can work my way around every single work of fiction, and claim something happens because the creators don't deny it, and then claim "Evidence" by nitpicking every single detail.

Have you read the entire page of theories That Angelica simply imagined the rugrats in her head? There's a huge collection of "evidence", from all over the entire series.



by your reasoning, that makes the ending at face value fan fic, because bioware didnt say that the endings were meant to be taken at face value.

and I dont think any of those other developers actively and knowningly supported and added evidence to those pieces of fanfic.

you really are helping us out, thanks! :)

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The fact that literalists are taking their time to bash on IT theorists just shows that they have a lingering feeling of fear in the back of their minds.

Otherwise they wouldn't be here spewing their nonsense.

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Alright, you know what, here's an idea, IGNORE THE TROLLS! It's the only surefire way of getting rid of them. If you all stop talking to them, they will eventually leave due to boredom.

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Ownaholic wrote...

The fact that literalists are taking their time to bash on IT theorists just shows that they have a lingering feeling of fear in the back of their minds.

Otherwise they wouldn't be here spewing their nonsense.


wat

taking things at face value is "nonsense"

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Dwailing wrote...

Alright, you know what, here's an idea, IGNORE THE TROLLS! It's the only surefire way of getting rid of them. If you all stop talking to them, they will eventually leave due to boredom.


Pretty please, you guys?

Before my facepalm combo goes through the roof? :?

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llbountyhunter wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

We have 3 games too back us up. What do literalists have? A lying little glowing reaper.

www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=tkatnxvzvZU


Perhaps in your canon universe

Bioware is DONE with mass effect. EA and it's business practices have sucked out as much money out of this franchise as possible, and have abruptly ended the game as they saw fit.

Indoctrination theory, while it may be circulated and talked about among the community cannot be accepted as canon in Bioware's domain.

These are like all the theorists who claim that the Rugrats were figments of Angelica's imagination, Pokemon are aliens, Zion is part of the Matrix, Aladdin takes place in a post apocalyptic future

fun theories, and "all the evidence exists" but not truly canon and confirmed.

but the difference between those theorists and you guys, is that you cling on desperately HOPING that Bioware will throw a bone at you


 Except bioware said IT isn't false. If the literal ending is true, then why did they spend 3 months adding more evidence to IT?


oh and James Cameron never stated that Jack was confirmed dead, What about all the EVIDENCE THAT POSTULATES JACK COMING BACK AS A HALF FROZEN CYBORG?

I can work my way around every single work of fiction, and claim something happens because the creators don't deny it, and then claim "Evidence" by nitpicking every single detail.

Have you read the entire page of theories That Angelica simply imagined the rugrats in her head? There's a huge collection of "evidence", from all over the entire series.



by your reasoning, that makes the ending at face value fan fic, because bioware didnt say that the endings were meant to be taken at face value.

and I dont think any of those other developers actively and knowningly supported and added evidence to those pieces of fanfic.

you really are helping us out, thanks! :)


okay

Jack is really alive

and you are blind if you fail to see otherwise

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Huh, here's an interesting tweet from Patrick Weekes. Kind of suggests that Starbinger might be wrong. http://twitter.com/P...906046104748033

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Lazengan wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

We have 3 games too back us up. What do literalists have? A lying little glowing reaper.

www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=tkatnxvzvZU


Perhaps in your canon universe

Bioware is DONE with mass effect. EA and it's business practices have sucked out as much money out of this franchise as possible, and have abruptly ended the game as they saw fit.

Indoctrination theory, while it may be circulated and talked about among the community cannot be accepted as canon in Bioware's domain.

These are like all the theorists who claim that the Rugrats were figments of Angelica's imagination, Pokemon are aliens, Zion is part of the Matrix, Aladdin takes place in a post apocalyptic future

fun theories, and "all the evidence exists" but not truly canon and confirmed.

but the difference between those theorists and you guys, is that you cling on desperately HOPING that Bioware will throw a bone at you


 Except bioware said IT isn't false. If the literal ending is true, then why did they spend 3 months adding more evidence to IT?


oh and James Cameron never stated that Jack was confirmed dead, What about all the EVIDENCE THAT POSTULATES JACK COMING BACK AS A HALF FROZEN CYBORG?

I can work my way around every single work of fiction, and claim something happens because the creators don't deny it, and then claim "Evidence" by nitpicking every single detail.

Have you read the entire page of theories That Angelica simply imagined the rugrats in her head? There's a huge collection of "evidence", from all over the entire series.



by your reasoning, that makes the ending at face value fan fic, because bioware didnt say that the endings were meant to be taken at face value.

and I dont think any of those other developers actively and knowningly supported and added evidence to those pieces of fanfic.

you really are helping us out, thanks! :)


okay

Jack is really alive

and you are blind if you fail to see otherwise



james cameron didnt add clues or evidence to say that jack is alive. bioware knowingly added evidence to support IT.

you are blind if you fail to see the difference. =]

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 01 juillet 2012 - 05:15 .


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Can everyone stop feeding the troll?!?

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Look Lazegen just leave please. Either way everyone is right about the endings since Bioware tried to please everyone so there. And if you hate IT so much then why don't you start a new thread that talks about why do people still believe in the end is not real, but I could say what about hope is that not something we believe in when all is lost. Do we give up the fight or do we contiune fighting even though theodds of seceding are impossible, but who cares about the odds.

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Ownaholic wrote...

The fact that literalists are taking their time to bash on IT theorists just shows that they have a lingering feeling of fear in the back of their minds.

Otherwise they wouldn't be here spewing their nonsense.


This

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Dwailing wrote...

Alright, you know what, here's an idea, IGNORE THE TROLLS! It's the only surefire way of getting rid of them. If you all stop talking to them, they will eventually leave due to boredom.


Seriously - I agree. Just ignore the literalists if/when you think they are trolling. They have their own forum. Don't fight with them - and they'll look like the instigators some of them are being. The vitriol on the part of some of them tells me they just want to cause a ruckus to get this thread shut down.

If you insult them back, there's a chance the mods won't know who started it. And the literalists will win.
Don't feed the trolls.

:D

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llbountyhunter wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

We have 3 games too back us up. What do literalists have? A lying little glowing reaper.

www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=tkatnxvzvZU


Perhaps in your canon universe

Bioware is DONE with mass effect. EA and it's business practices have sucked out as much money out of this franchise as possible, and have abruptly ended the game as they saw fit.

Indoctrination theory, while it may be circulated and talked about among the community cannot be accepted as canon in Bioware's domain.

These are like all the theorists who claim that the Rugrats were figments of Angelica's imagination, Pokemon are aliens, Zion is part of the Matrix, Aladdin takes place in a post apocalyptic future

fun theories, and "all the evidence exists" but not truly canon and confirmed.

but the difference between those theorists and you guys, is that you cling on desperately HOPING that Bioware will throw a bone at you


 Except bioware said IT isn't false. If the literal ending is true, then why did they spend 3 months adding more evidence to IT?


oh and James Cameron never stated that Jack was confirmed dead, What about all the EVIDENCE THAT POSTULATES JACK COMING BACK AS A HALF FROZEN CYBORG?

I can work my way around every single work of fiction, and claim something happens because the creators don't deny it, and then claim "Evidence" by nitpicking every single detail.

Have you read the entire page of theories That Angelica simply imagined the rugrats in her head? There's a huge collection of "evidence", from all over the entire series.



by your reasoning, that makes the ending at face value fan fic, because bioware didnt say that the endings were meant to be taken at face value.

and I dont think any of those other developers actively and knowningly supported and added evidence to those pieces of fanfic.

you really are helping us out, thanks! :)


okay

Jack is really alive

and you are blind if you fail to see otherwise



james cameron didnt add clues or evidence to say that jack is alive. bioware knowingly added evidence to support IT.

you are blind if you fail to see the difference. =]


what evidence?

IT is based on assumption, game glitches, drawing connections between unrelated pieces of knowledge, disregarding facts directing elsewhere, and denies other potential.

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All I know is that IT had lots of potential compared to the "Yo Dawg" explanation that we got. Organics vs. Synthetics was bs. I want to know the REAL reasons why they harvest or better yet keep it a mystery seeing as we can't comprehend them anyway.

Well, there was my two cents.

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masster blaster wrote...

Look Lazegen just leave please. Either way everyone is right about the endings since Bioware tried to please everyone so there. And if you hate IT so much then why don't you start a new thread that talks about why do people still believe in the end is not real, but I could say what about hope is that not something we believe in when all is lost. Do we give up the fight or do we contiune fighting even though theodds of seceding are impossible, but who cares about the odds.


yea Okay

I'm a troll because I'm trying to explain face value of something, while ironically being called a blind deluded person myself

You people are worse than tali fanboys who get butthurt when you encounter anyone that doesn't wnt to bone her

in no way is this thread constructive at all

you people are clinging on to Bioware just as they wanted you to continue spending time and money on a dead franchise killed by EA

perhaps the ones being indoctrinated here are you, by the rEApers

Modifié par Lazengan, 01 juillet 2012 - 05:24 .


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Soul8lighter wrote...

All I know is that IT had lots of potential compared to the "Yo Dawg" explanation that we got. Organics vs. Synthetics was bs. I want to know the REAL reasons why they harvest or better yet keep it a mystery seeing as we can't comprehend them anyway.

Well, there was my two cents.


It's not so much as organics vs synthethics as the catalyst represents a forest fire to keep life in the galaxy in a state of balance

Forest fires clear up dead old matter and replace it with new younger life, contiuining the drive for evolution