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[Dwailing]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Watch the quote pyramids, folks. Try to cut them down so the quote include only what you're directly responding to rather than the entire conversation.

Heh, with all due respect (And I mean that in a good way, not in the Ashley Williams way. ), you should have seen us earlier. 

Modifié par Dwailing, 01 juillet 2012 - 06:59 .

[Dwailing]

So, I'm assuming the silence is due to people coming up with long, brilliant posts.

[Xavendithas]

So what's the good word today?

[MaximizedAction]

Dwailing wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Yep Paxxton is right about Shepard graving the gun in the pre-EC standing up. And now Shepard is on his/her knees when Shepard pick up theCarflenix.

Huh, going with the Gun is Shepard's Willpower Hypothesis (Theory?), it makes sense that Shepard would pick up the gun each time.  After being knocked out by the beam (I'm not sure at this point if the run down the hill was a complete hallucination, though I'm certain that parts of it were.), Shepard "wakes up" and finds the gun, his will to go on.  Then when he gets on the Citadel, he picks up the gun, and actually uses it to get back on his feet, again, showing that it represents his will to go on.  Then, when he reaches the Catalyst chamber, it just appears in his hand when the choice comes and his will to continue is at it's weakest.  Anyone else agree?

I agree. It makes sense to think that the gun represent his willpower, as in both cases he first sees the Carnifex, pics it up and then gets up.

Before the run, the Carnifex is held into the players face by Anderson. So one could say that here Shepard gets his courage to run down by Anderson (or his resisting side) holding it.

Then, (in EC) when the squad gets shot down, Shepard loses all his own guns. After the squad is picked up (if they survived Harby's shot), Shepard continues his run completely gunless. Interestingly, he then gets shot down completely -- no willpower?

[Dwailing]

Xavendithas wrote...

So what's the good word today?

Well, a mod came by and told us to cut down on the quote pyramids.

[N7L4D]

 Basically everyone is wondering if this means anything mainly because you need flycam to see it

www.youtube.com/watch

[Dwailing]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Yep Paxxton is right about Shepard graving the gun in the pre-EC standing up. And now Shepard is on his/her knees when Shepard pick up theCarflenix.

Huh, going with the Gun is Shepard's Willpower Hypothesis (Theory?), it makes sense that Shepard would pick up the gun each time.  After being knocked out by the beam (I'm not sure at this point if the run down the hill was a complete hallucination, though I'm certain that parts of it were.), Shepard "wakes up" and finds the gun, his will to go on.  Then when he gets on the Citadel, he picks up the gun, and actually uses it to get back on his feet, again, showing that it represents his will to go on.  Then, when he reaches the Catalyst chamber, it just appears in his hand when the choice comes and his will to continue is at it's weakest.  Anyone else agree?

I agree. It makes sense to think that the gun represent his willpower, as in both cases he first sees the Carnifex, pics it up and then gets up.

Before the run, the Carnifex is held into the players face by Anderson. So one could say that here Shepard gets his courage to run down by Anderson (or his resisting side) holding it.

Then, (in EC) when the squad gets shot down, Shepard loses all his own guns. After the squad is picked up (if they survived Harby's shot), Shepard continues his run completely gunless. Interestingly, he then gets shot down completely -- no willpower?

Come to think of it, Shepard DOES lose all of his guns when his squad gets evaced.  And you know what's even stranger?  The ONLY other time we've seen Shep in full armor with no weapons is when he's in a dream.

Modifié par Dwailing, 01 juillet 2012 - 07:12 .

[Xavendithas]

N7L4D wrote...

 Basically everyone is wondering if this means anything mainly because you need flycam to see it

www.youtube.com/watch

Well...that....I....don't know what to say about that. That certainly is Coats. Asset reuse?

[paxxton]

Ashley's last attempt at insubordination - FAILED.

Modifié par paxxton, 01 juillet 2012 - 07:13 .

[Dwailing]

Xavendithas wrote...

N7L4D wrote...

 Basically everyone is wondering if this means anything mainly because you need flycam to see it

www.youtube.com/watch

Well...that....I....don't know what to say about that. That certainly is Coats. Asset reuse?

That would seem... unlikely.  Also, I wonder if someone could take a closer look at the helmet and say once and for all whether it's a generic Alliance marine helmet or Shepard's old N7 helmet.

[MaximizedAction]

[quote]Dwailing wrote...
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Come to think of it, Shepard DOES lose all of his guns when his squad gets evaced.  And you know what's even stranger?  The ONLY other time we've seen Shep in full armor with no weapons is when he's in a dream.
[/quote]
Exactly.

I thought the exact same thing when I saw that he was without his guns.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 01 juillet 2012 - 07:16 .

[schneeland]

Well, my post is probably neither long nor brilliant, but I take the chance to bid farewell to all the folks here who do as well as the lung time lurkers (like me). With extended cut being out, but turning out to be emotionally unfulfilling to me, I feel it is time to let go of Mass Effect for me.
That said, the IT interpretation still makes most sense to me - it is a shame that Bioware felt unable to draw upon it and turn Mass Effect 3 into the epic ending of the series that it deserved to be.

[Rifneno]

TSA_383 wrote...

^However, when you come out with statements like this you just sound like you're in denial.

Keep calm, try not to argue, debate actual useful evidence (like the stuff from the Leviathan DLC etc?).

First of all, leave the psychoanalyzing to people who know what they're doing. You, clearly, do not.

I'm perfectly calm, and I'm not arguing. Nor am I debating. I don't owe it to a literalist to try to prove anything. If they don't want to believe it, I don't care. If they're one of the very rare ones who will be swayed by evidence (and that one, BTW, is obviously not), there's already massive writeups that do a better job than I could anyway. I'm not going to waste the time or energy on it.

There is a serious problem with people adding lots of stuff that's not there.

There's a more serious problem with people using the word "denial" without understanding what it means.

dark_secret7 wrote...

Wow. There's actually more to that gun-changing thing in the destroy ending than I was previously aware of.
The sound effects actually change from Carnifex to Predator as Shepard straightens up while shooting the power conduit.
Maybe it is a glitch, who knows? But it's pretty darn interesting.

It gets better. Destroy loads the carnifex and predator into RAM. Control and synthesis only load the carnifex. The coders specifically added the predator to the destroy scene. It also wasn't fixed in EC when things like the keepers having clipping disabled was. I think it's safe to say the gun thing is intentional.

Billyg3453 wrote...

Before EC, I thought IT was a legitimite viewpoint. Now however, I have a hard time believing you can ignore the out-of-game statements and logic to arrive at the conclusion that EC only expanded on the dream Shep was having unconcious on the streets of London.

When BW stops blatantly lying, I'll start caring about out-of-game statements. As for the epilogues, considering they take place before the breath scene, I don't see how it's a big stretch.

Ninja Stan wrote...

Watch the quote pyramids, folks. Try to cut them down so the quote include only what you're directly responding to rather than the entire conversation.

Thank you! I've been whining like a two week old puppy about the quote pyramids for a while now. Never seemed to do a lick of good. Hopefully they'll pay attention now that you've given the ol' mod warning.

[Dwailing]

Rifneno wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

^However, when you come out with statements like this you just sound like you're in denial.

Keep calm, try not to argue, debate actual useful evidence (like the stuff from the Leviathan DLC etc?).

First of all, leave the psychoanalyzing to people who know what they're doing. You, clearly, do not.

I'm perfectly calm, and I'm not arguing. Nor am I debating. I don't owe it to a literalist to try to prove anything. If they don't want to believe it, I don't care. If they're one of the very rare ones who will be swayed by evidence (and that one, BTW, is obviously not), there's already massive writeups that do a better job than I could anyway. I'm not going to waste the time or energy on it.

There is a serious problem with people adding lots of stuff that's not there.

There's a more serious problem with people using the word "denial" without understanding what it means.

Uh, Rifneno, please show TSA some respect.  He's given us some very discussion worthy things in the past, and I think he's earned the right for us to NOT jump down his throat the moment he says something we don't necessarily agree with.

Modifié par Dwailing, 01 juillet 2012 - 07:17 .

[paxxton]

schneeland wrote...

Well, my post is probably neither long nor brilliant, but I take the chance to bid farewell to all the folks here who do as well as the lung time lurkers (like me). With extended cut being out, but turning out to be emotionally unfulfilling to me, I feel it is time to let go of Mass Effect for me.
That said, the IT interpretation still makes most sense to me - it is a shame that Bioware felt unable to draw upon it and turn Mass Effect 3 into the epic ending of the series that it deserved to be.

This is a real end. I bet the series will continue with IT at some point in the future.

Modifié par paxxton, 01 juillet 2012 - 07:20 .

[Xavendithas]

Dwailing wrote...

That would seem... unlikely.  Also, I wonder if someone could take a closer look at the helmet and say once and for all whether it's a generic Alliance marine helmet or Shepard's old N7 helmet.

Okay, well if that is Coats... 

I'm confused, what does that mean? Coats called the retreat... how long was Shepard knocked out?? How would the Reapers get Coats up there after clearing out the remnants of Hammer...but still manage to miss Shepard laying down in the middle of the path to the beam.

This does not compute.

[Xavendithas]

schneeland wrote...

Well, my post is probably neither long nor brilliant, but I take the chance to bid farewell to all the folks here who do as well as the lung time lurkers (like me). With extended cut being out, but turning out to be emotionally unfulfilling to me, I feel it is time to let go of Mass Effect for me.
That said, the IT interpretation still makes most sense to me - it is a shame that Bioware felt unable to draw upon it and turn Mass Effect 3 into the epic ending of the series that it deserved to be.

Don't stray too far. BioWare is NOT done with the story yet. We still don't have all the details.

Modifié par Xavendithas, 01 juillet 2012 - 07:19 .

[LT123]

Wow. I hadn't even noticed that Shepard loses all his guns when the squad leaves. Weird.
It looks like his gun disappears once the squadmates almost get hit with the Mako. He's holding one right before that when he's dodging the Mako that almost hits him. And it's not at his waist either-it's just gone.

[paxxton]

Also, Ashley lost her tan in the EC.

Modifié par paxxton, 01 juillet 2012 - 07:23 .

[Simon_Says]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Hey, I think he's right. It's equivalent, just like the creationist vs. evolutionst analogy.
If you can't handle that, well...you'r fault. Moar speculations for us

No one dare use this argument anymore. It's ugly, and a completely inaccurate basis for comparison.

I'm an ITer, and even I will claim that IT is more 'religious' than a literal interpretation of the ending. We're filling in holes and trying to find truth while only taking it on faith that what we found is truth. Is that wrong? NO. As long as belief doesn't contradict fact, and will evolve to fit the facts and not the other way around, it is valid and demands respect.

Creationism involves twisting, inventing, and ignoring facts to support itself. Both literalism and IT don't, hard is it may be for some people in both camps to accept. And seriously we all need to be better than slapping labels on each other. Especially if we're using the labels incorrectly. A literalist should be someone who supports the literal interpretation. It's not someone who argues against IT. L is L, not L is ~T.

And Arian, you're appearing awfully hostile to SubAstris. Unreasonably so. Please cut it out.

[THEE_DEATHMASTER]

N7L4D wrote...

 Basically everyone is wondering if this means anything mainly because you need flycam to see it

www.youtube.com/watch

Interesting indeed. Don't you see him while walking to the beam (probably mistaken). And according to the wiki on him...

He can also be heard on the radio, after Shepard is hit by Harbinger, telling all surviving Alliance troops to fall back.
If Shepard chooses to activate the Crucible, then Coats, Gabriella Daniels, and Kenneth Donnelly will been seen helping in the reconstruction of London.

[byne]

Xavendithas wrote...

N7L4D wrote...

 Basically everyone is wondering if this means anything mainly because you need flycam to see it

www.youtube.com/watch

Well...that....I....don't know what to say about that. That certainly is Coats. Asset reuse?

If they were going to reuse assets, why not reuse Random Marine #248, not someone we'd clearly recognize?

BioWare would have had to specifically choose to put Coats in there, which is interesting because:

A) We've been speculating he was indoctrinated. Pretty interesting that we see him  of all people on the Citadel.

Coats is the one who ordered everyone to fall back, theres no way he made it on the Citadel.

[nukedflounder]

N7L4D wrote...

 Basically everyone is wondering if this means anything mainly because you need flycam to see it

www.youtube.com/watch

IDK what it means, but thank you for sharing this, as it is the first I've seen of it.

[CoolioThane]

 London Calling - The ClashThe ending takes place in London, clash representing the conflict taking place.
Delve deeper into the record, notice some of the tracks:
i) London Calling
ii) Hateful
iii) Death or Glory
iv) Four Horsemen
v) I'm Not Down
vi) Revolution Rock

Now, obviously, I'm looking too far into the album, but it interests me. These tracks strike me as fitting in with the ending. Hatred from and towards the Reapers, the four horsemen of the apocalypse indicating what could happen if we fail. Death or glory, success or total annihilation. Revolution against the norm, the norm being a Reaper victory and thus ending the cycle.

Atomic Weight of Iron
55.845 +/- 0.002 u
Fe, Atomic Number: 26 

Famous iron canyons of Aequitas...another link to indoctrination and the potential Leviathan DLC - if we are right in suggesting the DLC may take place at Aequitas. If it does not, it is still another link to indoctrination, with the device in ME2.

Or if you're mental you could look at it like this (This is just for fun, I don't actually believe this):
26 is the Atomic Number
The crystalline structure is Cubic...cubes have 6 faces...

26/6 is the day the Extended Cut was released - CONCLUSIVE (lol)

UK Secret Service
Provides the government with foreign intelligence - maybe a nudge towards Earth being supplied information from "foreign" planets, maybe but this is a reach. Though we do provide Anderson and Earth with info throughout the game?

Moving on, I suspect it's something to do with Reaper spies within London, purely because the Indoctrination Codezx entry mentions this sort of thing and it makes perfect sense. Coates being the Reaper thrall makes sense, considering he was by himself fighting Reapers for days and so his mind likely would have been weakened...could also fit with why we clearly see the warning sign next to him on the Mako similar to the signs near the kid on Vancouver.


-128.6 FahrenheitVostok Station, Antarctica - -128.6 Fahrenheit the coldest temperature recorded on Earth

Vostok System - Alko, Clomarthu, Nodacrux, Pataiton, .ALKO - Unregistered starship travel, travel not recommended
CLOMARTHU - Could be Earth's twin (size and orbit) but no life
NODACRUX - Very interesting. Abandoned facility with Thorian Creepers (Indoctrination) thus links in with the hinted Leviathan DLC - Also space cows xD
PATAITON - Meh, just a Matriarch writing Tali discovers on ship

Nodacrux interests me greatly. Especially with there being mentions to Thorians in the hinted DLC...this could prove to be a link to these clues

May also just point to Lake Vostok in Eastern Antarcitca, where scientists (Now, in the present 2012) hypothesise new life could be found in the underwater lake...maybe hinting there could be something in the lake that's been hidden for thousands of years...an Ancient species, a weapon, plans? This is purely **** thoughts and bull - I'm sure it relates to the Vostok system, specifically Nodacrux and its Thorian creepers.

Red HerringThe most interesting of all. Red Herring, also known as IGNORATIO ELENCHI...which translates to - which I find absolutely perfect - IRRELEVANT CONCLUSION, or FALLACY OF DISTRACTION. 

"deliberate attempt to divert a process of enquiry by changing the subject. For example: "I think that we should make the academic requirements stricter for students. I recommend that you support this because we are in a budget crisis and we do not want our salaries affected."[/i] Here the second sentence, though used to support the first, does not address the topic of the first sentence, instead switching the focus to the quite different topic of lecturer salaries. "

Holy ****, this has got me excited.

Also sorry for my post if it appears stupid, I just went full crazy on this research stuff xD INTERESTING

[dreamgazer]

N7L4D wrote...

 Basically everyone is wondering if this means anything mainly because you need flycam to see it

www.youtube.com/watch

I'm going to posit an unpopular idea here:

Since it's not observable in the game, and only observable upon inspection outside the "viewable" space, perhaps it's BioWare's design folks ribbing those who use flycam data as "evidence".  Who knows.

If we can see Coats somewhere else in the Citadel bodies, I'll retract than comment.