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[byne]

FellishBeast wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

dancarrero wrote...

*snip*

Just to say they have left room. They even said they weren't denying it...and added in more evidence pointing towards the IT. If you believe in the literal endings, that's fine, but we'll keep believing in our interpretation thanks 

*facepalm*

You can facepalm all you want, Fellish. Doesnt change the fact that the EC in no way debunked IT. I dont see why you seem to believe it did.

[CoolioThane]

FellishBeast wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

dancarrero wrote...

*snip*

Just to say they have left room. They even said they weren't denying it...and added in more evidence pointing towards the IT. If you believe in the literal endings, that's fine, but we'll keep believing in our interpretation thanks 

*facepalm*

That's unnecessary. I'm not allow to correct something they got wrong?

If you notice I'm perfectly fine with his beliefs. It just strikes me as odd you'd "facepalm" that I also have mine?

[BansheeOwnage]

HellishFiend wrote...

Guys, take this for what it's worth coming from me, but I'm really disappointed in all the troll feeding that's been going on over the past couple of days. If literalists want to come in here and speak their piece, this thread will flow much better if you just let them do it and allow them to move on. It's not our job to change their minds or to make witty retorts in an attempt to make them feel bad.

I personally guarantee you I haven't said anything to any of them. Ok. Let's talk about other things again.

[MaximizedAction]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Vaya wrote...

It's not that they left it in for the EC, they actively went and added it. Its a fly cam of the keeper you see removing the helmet when you first get to the citadel, but in the cinematic view all you see is the helmet.

It's like theyre trying to give us more clues that something is wrong with Coats. 

Another big one? That short convo you have with Coats after arriving at the FOB is the only "normal" conversation in the entire game that you can not skip. 

What do you mean with "normal" ?
Ones without dialog wheel ?

Ones without scene-changing cinematic elements. Those are the only ones that cant be skipped, except for that one with major coats. 

Idk if someone said this already but another thing I thought was off about Coats is the synthesis ending. That whole intro with the green stuff? Zooms out of Coats of all people.

Apparently, of all people who helped achieve the 'victory', Coats was the most important one, as he deserved the front position of the first pic.

Yeah, right.

EDIT: So does this pic imply that he's overlooking the rebuilding of London? If so, then who was the guy in the flycam?
:alien:

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 01 juillet 2012 - 08:04 .

[Simon_Says]

Xavendithas wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

So that scene with Coats, is that the helmet we see being removed by the keeper right before Shepard lands on the Citadel? If yes, is it possible to see that body once you take control of Shepard?

bump

Think that folks said that the body itself disappears when the player regains control of Shepard.

Wait.

Regains control of Shepard.

Regains. Control. of Shepard.


"Crap" *Chomps cigar.*

...

Channeling Paxxton isn't as interesting as I thought it would be.

[flipyap343]

dancarrero wrote...

Really people,its over.Why continue speculating on something that has been determined in absolute terms.Bioware has left NO room for this theory.Quite simply Bioware said "you dont want  any of the choices set out before you..well suck on this." Its time to move on and accept the crap endings for what they are or give them the finger and try something else.But if your dissatisfied with how things turned out...DONT give em any more of your hard earned money.

Not really. There was nothing in the EC that actually disproved the IT; in fact, they added some stuff that opened up speculation:

• Harbinger says, "Serve Us" before firing at Shepard
• Harbinger doesn't fire at the Normandy when he clearly had a very long time to do so
• The God-Child's voice changes to a Reaper's in the Refusal ending

[TSA_383]

Rifneno wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Uh, Rifneno, please show TSA some respect.  He's given us some very discussion worthy things in the past, and I think he's earned the right for us to NOT jump down his throat the moment he says something we don't necessarily agree with.

There's a difference between making a statement about the game that I "don't necessarily agree with" and trying to use me as a posterboy for a psychological defense mechanism.  He showed me no respect, I will show him none.  I truly can't stand people who think reading an article while waiting in the line at the grocery store qualifies them to vomit psychobabble at everyone on the internet.

Chill.
What I was getting at is that you and several other people on here spend a lot of time outright mocking those who don't agree with you.
Whilst that's the sort of thing directed at many in this thread by others on the forums (I have a loathing of the idea of pidgeonholing people into "literalist" and "IT" camps) it's counterproductive in that it reduces the entire thread into a slagging match.

Think about it from the point of view of people outside the little club we seem to have going here.

They come into the thread and see people discussing interesting points from the game's plot, usually in a fairly insightful way = "Huh, this is interesting" - Fewer trolls, more people involved in discussions, more useful interesting stuff coming up more regularly.

They come into the thread and see a five-page flamewar with people rambling about "literalists" and "indoctrinationalists" or whatever sort of "ists" we're rambling about this week = Not conducive to informed debate, fewer people involved in discussions, thread wanders off into excessive abuse and gets locked like last time...

I'm not trying to have a go at you personally, just that I find it's more productive to break down the trolls with logic

CoolioThane wrote...
UK Secret Service
Provides the
government with foreign intelligence - maybe a nudge towards Earth being
supplied information from "foreign" planets, maybe but this is a reach.
Though we do provide Anderson and Earth with info throughout the game?

Moving
on, I suspect it's something to do with Reaper spies within London,
purely because the Indoctrination Codezx entry mentions this sort of
thing and it makes perfect sense. Coates being the Reaper thrall makes
sense, considering he was by himself fighting Reapers for days and so
his mind likely would have been weakened...could also fit with why we
clearly see the warning sign next to him on the Mako similar to the
signs near the kid on Vancouver.


-128.6 FahrenheitVostok Station, Antarctica - -128.6 Fahrenheit the coldest temperature recorded on Earth

Vostok System - Alko, Clomarthu, Nodacrux, Pataiton, .ALKO - Unregistered starship travel, travel not recommended
CLOMARTHU - Could be Earth's twin (size and orbit) but no life
NODACRUX
- Very interesting. Abandoned facility with Thorian Creepers
(Indoctrination) thus links in with the hinted Leviathan DLC - Also
space cows xD
PATAITON - Meh, just a Matriarch writing Tali discovers on ship

Nodacrux
interests me greatly. Especially with there being mentions to Thorians
in the hinted DLC...this could prove to be a link to these clues

May
also just point to Lake Vostok in Eastern Antarcitca, where scientists
(Now, in the present 2012) hypothesise new life could be found in the
underwater lake...maybe hinting there could be something in the lake
that's been hidden for thousands of years...an Ancient species, a
weapon, plans? This is purely **** thoughts and bull - I'm sure it
relates to the Vostok system, specifically Nodacrux and its Thorian
creepers.

Okay, so you've read into some stuff to a mad degree, but some of this is pretty interesting [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]
I wonder if we'll see anything from the Vostok system in the DLC... Entirely possible - any of those listed as a mining colony?

[CoolioThane]

[quote]CoolioThane wrote...

 London Calling - The ClashThe ending takes place in London, clash representing the conflict taking place.
Delve deeper into the record, notice some of the tracks:
i) London Calling
ii) Hateful
iii) Death or Glory
iv) Four Horsemen
v) I'm Not Down
vi) Revolution Rock

Now, obviously, I'm looking too far into the album, but it interests me. These tracks strike me as fitting in with the ending. Hatred from and towards the Reapers, the four horsemen of the apocalypse indicating what could happen if we fail. Death or glory, success or total annihilation. Revolution against the norm, the norm being a Reaper victory and thus ending the cycle.

Atomic Weight of Iron
55.845 +/- 0.002 u
Fe, Atomic Number: 26 

Famous iron canyons of Aequitas...another link to indoctrination and the potential Leviathan DLC - if we are right in suggesting the DLC may take place at Aequitas. If it does not, it is still another link to indoctrination, with the device in ME2.

Or if you're mental you could look at it like this (This is just for fun, I don't actually believe this):
26 is the Atomic Number
The crystalline structure is Cubic...cubes have 6 faces...

26/6 is the day the Extended Cut was released - CONCLUSIVE (lol)

UK Secret Service
Provides the government with foreign intelligence - maybe a nudge towards Earth being supplied information from "foreign" planets, maybe but this is a reach. Though we do provide Anderson and Earth with info throughout the game?

Moving on, I suspect it's something to do with Reaper spies within London, purely because the Indoctrination Codezx entry mentions this sort of thing and it makes perfect sense. Coates being the Reaper thrall makes sense, considering he was by himself fighting Reapers for days and so his mind likely would have been weakened...could also fit with why we clearly see the warning sign next to him on the Mako similar to the signs near the kid on Vancouver.


-128.6 FahrenheitVostok Station, Antarctica - -128.6 Fahrenheit the coldest temperature recorded on Earth

Vostok System - Alko, Clomarthu, Nodacrux, Pataiton, .ALKO - Unregistered starship travel, travel not recommended
CLOMARTHU - Could be Earth's twin (size and orbit) but no life
NODACRUX - Very interesting. Abandoned facility with Thorian Creepers (Indoctrination) thus links in with the hinted Leviathan DLC - Also space cows xD
PATAITON - Meh, just a Matriarch writing Tali discovers on ship

Nodacrux interests me greatly. Especially with there being mentions to Thorians in the hinted DLC...this could prove to be a link to these clues

May also just point to Lake Vostok in Eastern Antarcitca, where scientists (Now, in the present 2012) hypothesise new life could be found in the underwater lake...maybe hinting there could be something in the lake that's been hidden for thousands of years...an Ancient species, a weapon, plans? This is purely **** thoughts and bull - I'm sure it relates to the Vostok system, specifically Nodacrux and its Thorian creepers.

Red HerringThe most interesting of all. Red Herring, also known as IGNORATIO ELENCHI...which translates to - which I find absolutely perfect - IRRELEVANT CONCLUSION, or FALLACY OF DISTRACTION. 

"deliberate attempt to divert a process of enquiry by changing the subject. For example: "I think that we should make the academic requirements stricter for students. I recommend that you support this because we are in a budget crisis and we do not want our salaries affected."[/i] Here the second sentence, though used to support the first, does not address the topic of the first sentence, instead switching the focus to the quite different topic of lecturer salaries. "

Holy ****, this has got me excited.

Also sorry for my post if it appears stupid, I just went full crazy on this research stuff xD INTERESTING
[/quote

Any opinions? I workeded hard being a tinhat!

[dancarrero]

CoolioThane wrote...

dancarrero wrote...

Really people,its over.Why continue speculating on something that has been determined in absolute terms.Bioware has left NO room for this theory.Quite simply Bioware said "you dont want  any of the choices set out before you..well suck on this." Its time to move on and accept the crap endings for what they are or give them the finger and try something else.But if your dissatisfied with how things turned out...DONT give em any more of your hard earned money.

Just to say they have left room. They even said they weren't denying it...and added in more evidence pointing towards the IT. If you believe in the literal endings, that's fine, but we'll keep believing in our interpretation thanks 

I believe Bioware screwed us over for 3 months letting us hope for something good and giving us something slightly better than awful.All in the hope we will let things go and fill their pockets buying their future dlc/

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MaximizedAction wrote...

(snip)

Apparently, of all people who helped achieve the 'victory', Coats was the most important one, as he deserved the front position of the first pic.

Yeah, right.

Coat´s is getting way to much focus in the end compared to his actual importance.

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

I disagree. You can't fully discuss anything only with people who have similar opinions as you do.

You guys arent just "discussing". What youre doing is akin to trying to convince a fan of a rival sports team to like your sports team instead. It's a waste of time and energy. 

[Xavendithas]

Simon_Says wrote...

Think that folks said that the body itself disappears when the player regains control of Shepard.

Thanks, that's what I wanted to know. I'm watching the Euro final or I would turn on my XBox and check myself.

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I disagree. You can't fully discuss anything only with people who have similar opinions as you do.

You guys arent just "discussing". What youre doing is akin to trying to convince a fan of a rival sports team to like your sports team instead. It's a waste of time and energy. 

I don't view it as a competition.

[THEE_DEATHMASTER]

Harbinger doesn't fire at the Normandy when he clearly had a very long time to do so

I didn't quite understand why though. Wouldn't destroying his ship and all his friends create further weakness in Shepard's psyche?

[FellishBeast]

@byne @Coolio: Not to sound condescending...but do either of you know what context is? Maybe take into account the context around what I was saying? The facts that Hellish kindly asked people to stop responding to trolls, that I also agreed with him, and Coolio responded to one, might just be the reason I facepalmed.

Maybe.

I'm thinking now that maybe it was just a prophetic facepalm, looking forward to this moment. Oh, the speculations!

[paxxton]

Simon_Says wrote...

Channeling Paxxton isn't as interesting as I thought it would be.

paxxton-branded thoughts cannot be imitated.

[CoolioThane]

TSA_383 wrote...

Okay, so you've read into some stuff to a mad degree, but some of this is pretty interesting [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]
I wonder if we'll see anything from the Vostok system in the DLC... Entirely possible - any of those listed as a mining colony?

Yes, the Vostok link seems pretty solid. Looking at the planets from ME1, Alko has no mention of mining, but the presence of unregistered travel indicates something going on...perhaps mining?

There is a metallic asteroid in the Vostok system...mentions of Asteroids in the data about Leviathan, plus this clue, maybe there is mining going on?

Clomarthu there is no indication of mining.

Nodacrux's facility is an ExoGeni facility...who were also the ones doing experiments on the thorian on Feros....mentions there also being abundant water (potential link to the submersible section in the upcoming DLC?) I would deduce there be ample mining opportunities on the planet...who knows!

Pataiton is a gas giant so nope

[FellishBeast]

paxxton wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Channeling Paxxton isn't as interesting as I thought it would be.

paxxton-branded "thoughts" cannot be imitated.

Fixed it, and I am going to have to agree 109% percent.

[Xavendithas]

THEE_DEATHMASTER wrote...

Harbinger doesn't fire at the Normandy when he clearly had a very long time to do so

I didn't quite understand why though. Wouldn't destroying his ship and all his friends create further weakness in Shepard's psyche?

Maybe we were shown that to make us go wtf in our pants.

Maybe Harbinger lost all interest in the Normandy when he realized Shepard didn't hop on board with the squadmates being evacuated.

Maybe there is an indoctrination device on the Normandy(reaper IFF, anyone?) and Harbinger does not want to destroy such a potentially useful thing.

Modifié par Xavendithas, 01 juillet 2012 - 08:12 .

[CoolioThane]

FellishBeast wrote...

@byne @Coolio: Not to sound condescending...but do either of you know what context is? Maybe take into account the context around what I was saying? The facts that Hellish kindly asked people to stop responding to trolls, that I also agreed with him, and Coolio responded to one, might just be the reason I facepalmed.

Maybe.

I'm thinking now that maybe it was just a prophetic facepalm, looking forward to this moment. Oh, the speculations!

I don't think he was really a troll, and I don't think it's right just to ignore someone based on having a different opinion to myself! I'm quite an open-minded person, normally, so I'll take on board what everyone says, except when I'm in a bad mood, and if someone contradicts me I bite their bollocks off xD 

[Simon_Says]

THEE_DEATHMASTER wrote...

Harbinger doesn't fire at the Normandy when he clearly had a very long time to do so

I didn't quite understand why though. Wouldn't destroying his ship and all his friends create further weakness in Shepard's psyche?

You mean taking away Shepard's LI, friends, and ride would weaken Shepard and, oh, not create a cybermonkey hell-bent on vengeance, with no more inhibitions to jumping into the positively suicidal if it meant taking the reapers down?

Exactly.

[paxxton]

FellishBeast wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Channeling Paxxton isn't as interesting as I thought it would be.

paxxton-branded "thoughts" cannot be imitated.

Fixed it, and I am going to have to agree 109% percent.

LOL. That's copyright infringement.

Modifié par paxxton, 01 juillet 2012 - 08:14 .

[Dessalines]

It is the simple things that Bioware could have done to disprove the IT Theory:
1)Have Hackett state that Shepard made it to the beam. He just states "he' or "she" made it to the beam. As far as you know someone else made it to the beam to open the citadel, and Shepard is in the rubble. Through out the game, every NPC is talking about how morale is raised by the antics of Shepard. Why wouldn't he tell them that this Shepard that has made it to the beam.?
2) Have Hackett get a report that stated that Anderson and Sheppard made it to the beam. There is no mention of Anderson.
3)Just have the Catalyst explained why he looks like the boy that plagues Shepard's dreams
4)Normady coming down to pick up the troops was nice,(I am still not sure how everyone runs slower than Shepard) but Ithought there was interference from the beam which prevented ships from flying around it.
5) Shepard's breathe scene. They could have made it look like something that took place inside the Citadel.
6) They never state how the threat of the Reapers is stopped when you refuse.

Okay, takes a trip on the "What if" train
1)IThe Catalyst states he was created originally to establish a connection between synthetics and organics. Why would he need to be created to established a connection between synethetics? Synthetics are created, so there is already connected to an organic species.. What if the synethetics were beings from another galaxy. Each time they tried to establish peaceful relationships, it ended in conflict.
2)This would make the Reaper being a synthetic representations of Catalyst's true too. They are the synthetic representation of his creators to help communicate with other synthetics from another galaxy.
3)This kept leading to conflict. Either Reapers evolved to corrupt the Catalyst or the Catalyst came up with this solution on his own, but basically it was decided that to only way to preserve life in this galaxy was to harvest it, or face total annihiliation from synthetics in another galaxy
4) So what is the difference between facing down the Reapers, and other synthetics from another galaxy. I have no idea. Maybe, they are powered by dark energy, or have no creators. I don't know.

[byne]

FellishBeast wrote...

@byne @Coolio: Not to sound condescending...but do either of you know what context is? Maybe take into account the context around what I was saying? The facts that Hellish kindly asked people to stop responding to trolls, that I also agreed with him, and Coolio responded to one, might just be the reason I facepalmed.

Maybe.

I'm thinking now that maybe it was just a prophetic facepalm, looking forward to this moment. Oh, the speculations!

Sorry Fellish, I only just woke up, plus I'm only half paying attention while playing Skyrim.

I need to do a facepalm of my own, it seems.

[FellishBeast]

byne wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

@byne @Coolio: Not to sound condescending...but do either of you know what context is? Maybe take into account the context around what I was saying? The facts that Hellish kindly asked people to stop responding to trolls, that I also agreed with him, and Coolio responded to one, might just be the reason I facepalmed.

Maybe.

I'm thinking now that maybe it was just a prophetic facepalm, looking forward to this moment. Oh, the speculations!

Sorry Fellish, I only just woke up, plus I'm only half paying attention while playing Skyrim.

I need to do a facepalm of my own, it seems.

It's okay, byne. 

I'm just getting more irritated by troll-feeders than actual trolls or what-have-you.

Also, I have been doing the same thing the past few days. Skyrim ftw