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[dreamgazer]

Simon_Says wrote...

THEE_DEATHMASTER wrote...

Harbinger doesn't fire at the Normandy when he clearly had a very long time to do so

I didn't quite understand why though. Wouldn't destroying his ship and all his friends create further weakness in Shepard's psyche?

You mean taking away Shepard's LI, friends, and ride would weaken Shepard and, oh, not create a cybermonkey hell-bent on vengeance, with no more inhibitions to jumping into the positively suicidal if it meant taking the reapers down?

Exactly.

If there's any question of intent: I recently rewatched the scene, and Shepard looks right at Harbinger for a second. 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Dessalines wrote...

It is the simple things that Bioware could have done to disprove the IT Theory:
1)Have Hackett state that Shepard made it to the beam. He just states "he' or "she" made it to the beam. As far as you know someone else made it to the beam to open the citadel, and Shepard is in the rubble. Through out the game, every NPC is talking about how morale is raised by the antics of Shepard. Why wouldn't he tell them that this Shepard that has made it to the beam.?
2) Have Hackett get a report that stated that Anderson and Sheppard made it to the beam. There is no mention of Anderson.
3)Just have the Catalyst explained why he looks like the boy that plagues Shepard's dreams
4)Normady coming down to pick up the troops was nice,(I am still not sure how everyone runs slower than Shepard) but Ithought there was interference from the beam which prevented ships from flying around it.
5) Shepard's breathe scene. They could have made it look like something that took place inside the Citadel.
6) They never state how the threat of the Reapers is stopped when you refuse.

In regards to this they could have also added Joker saying instead of "Im rejoining Sword fleet" as you leave, he says "Hacket has us running air support for the ground troops." This would explain why he is so close when Shepard radios him.

Futhermore adda few radio transmissions with Squadmembers not in your group where they either get diverted from the path to the beam or wounded, both forcing them to be extracted by Joker.

Something like hearing Tali: "Kelaa! Heavy push on the left flank, will slow us down...I..." *sound of Tali grunting in pain or similar*

Shepard: "Tali!"

Tali: "Suit rupture, cant stop the bleeding..."

Shepard: "Joker, get her out of there!"

Joker: "On It commander."

Something like this for every squadmate would not only establish that they are also fighting as you work your way through the city, but explain how they are on the Normandy...it would have been so simple...

[BansheeOwnage]

I thought this was interesting:

What do you guys think?
Edit: I heard the dream music too.
Double Edit: Holy crap guys does this scene not remind you of the beam run? The Reaper "laser" kind of tracks Shepard then knocks her back but doesn't kill her and almost puts her unconscious. With dream music playing.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 01 juillet 2012 - 08:29 .

[UltimateTobi]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I thought this was interesting:

What do you guys think?
Edit: I heard the dream music too.
Double Edit: Holy crap guys does this scene not remind you of the beam run? The Reaper "laser" kind of tracks Shepard then knocks her back but doesn't kill her and almost puts her unconscious. With dream music playing.

He didn't amplify the back speakers did he? Just the 2 front left and right and later just the middle one.

[MaximizedAction]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I thought this was interesting:

What do you guys think?
Edit: I heard the dream music too.
Double Edit: Holy crap guys does this scene not remind you of the beam run? The Reaper "laser" kind of tracks Shepard then knocks her back but doesn't kill her and almost puts her unconscious. With dream music playing.

Holy...
Bioware, you just crazy!

[BansheeOwnage]

dreamgazer wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

THEE_DEATHMASTER wrote...

Harbinger doesn't fire at the Normandy when he clearly had a very long time to do so

I didn't quite understand why though. Wouldn't destroying his ship and all his friends create further weakness in Shepard's psyche?

You mean taking away Shepard's LI, friends, and ride would weaken Shepard and, oh, not create a cybermonkey hell-bent on vengeance, with no more inhibitions to jumping into the positively suicidal if it meant taking the reapers down?

Exactly.

If there's any question of intent: I recently rewatched the scene, and Shepard looks right at Harbinger for a second. 

Yes. Shepard ingores Harbinger when he's saying goodbye. After that (s)he looks around, looks directly at him and kind of "wakes up", tells your squad to leave and Harbinger kind of "reappears in Shepard's mind and starts shooting again.
Out of sight, out of mind.

[Simon_Says]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

In regards to this they could have also added Joker saying instead of "Im rejoining Sword fleet" as you leave, he says "Hacket has us running air support for the ground troops." This would explain why he is so close when Shepard radios him.

Futhermore adda few radio transmissions with Squadmembers not in your group where they either get diverted from the path to the beam or wounded, both forcing them to be extracted by Joker.

Something like hearing Tali: "Kelaa! Heavy push on the left flank, will slow us down...I..." *sound of Tali grunting in pain or similar*

Shepard: "Tali!"

Tali: "Suit rupture, cant stop the bleeding..."

Shepard: "Joker, get her out of there!"

Joker: "On It commander."

Something like this for every squadmate would not only establish that they are also fighting as you work your way through the city, but explain how they are on the Normandy...it would have been so simple...

Unless, as someone said a couple days ago, that the Normandy was sent in persuit of the reapers headed towards the conduit.

That would make sense to me. Also, I don't know if the rest of Shepard's squad is already on Normandy, or it's possible that they were picked up after because, well, the conduit run was the last hope and all other efforts should be pulling out at the time.

[BansheeOwnage]

UltimateTobi wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I thought this was interesting:

What do you guys think?
Edit: I heard the dream music too.
Double Edit: Holy crap guys does this scene not remind you of the beam run? The Reaper "laser" kind of tracks Shepard then knocks her back but doesn't kill her and almost puts her unconscious. With dream music playing.

He didn't amplify the back speakers did he? Just the 2 front left and right and later just the middle one.

I think so.

[ASmoothCriminalx]

you cannot will a theory into existence.. you keep looking for holes in the plot line to support your ideas.. that's fine. Except these ideas are becoming more like beliefs and this theory is more like a conspiracy. BW created the EC to clear up a lot of the confusion that was present, yet you guys are just looking for more holes as if BW's effort to clear this up doesn't disprove the "theory".

[UltimateTobi]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I thought this was interesting:

What do you guys think?
Edit: I heard the dream music too.
Double Edit: Holy crap guys does this scene not remind you of the beam run? The Reaper "laser" kind of tracks Shepard then knocks her back but doesn't kill her and almost puts her unconscious. With dream music playing.

He didn't amplify the back speakers did he? Just the 2 front left and right and later just the middle one.

I think so.

Sorry, miswatched it. He did amplify the 2 back speakers, and then the middle one. But not the 2 front speakers.

[Andromidius]

Dessalines wrote...

It is the simple things that Bioware could have done to disprove the IT Theory:
1)Have Hackett state that Shepard made it to the beam. He just states "he' or "she" made it to the beam. As far as you know someone else made it to the beam to open the citadel, and Shepard is in the rubble. Through out the game, every NPC is talking about how morale is raised by the antics of Shepard. Why wouldn't he tell them that this Shepard that has made it to the beam.?
2) Have Hackett get a report that stated that Anderson and Sheppard made it to the beam. There is no mention of Anderson.
3)Just have the Catalyst explained why he looks like the boy that plagues Shepard's dreams
4)Normady coming down to pick up the troops was nice,(I am still not sure how everyone runs slower than Shepard) but Ithought there was interference from the beam which prevented ships from flying around it.
5) Shepard's breathe scene. They could have made it look like something that took place inside the Citadel.
6) They never state how the threat of the Reapers is stopped when you refuse.

Honestly, if Bioware wanted to 'debunk' IT all they'd need to do is remove the Breath Scene.

Sure, there would still be plenty of hints that things aren't as they seem and there would still be thematically revolting endings ahoy.  IT would still exist, but in a deminished way.

But the Breath Scene still being there is probably the biggest suggestion that it was all a halluncination.  Why keep it if we're supposed to assume it was real?

[BansheeOwnage]

UltimateTobi wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I thought this was interesting:

What do you guys think?
Edit: I heard the dream music too.
Double Edit: Holy crap guys does this scene not remind you of the beam run? The Reaper "laser" kind of tracks Shepard then knocks her back but doesn't kill her and almost puts her unconscious. With dream music playing.

He didn't amplify the back speakers did he? Just the 2 front left and right and later just the middle one.

I think so.

Sorry, miswatched it. He did amplify the 2 back speakers, and then the middle one. But not the 2 front speakers.

K nvm sorry.

[Xavendithas]

Taking the scene with Harbinger ignoring the Normandy into account, where does the hallucination begin now? Is it safe to assume that it begins at the crash of the transport they are riding in? Or does the hallucination begin when Harbinger hits Shepard?

Modifié par Xavendithas, 01 juillet 2012 - 08:38 .

[Andromidius]

ASmoothCriminalx wrote...

you cannot will a theory into existence.. you keep looking for holes in the plot line to support your ideas.. that's fine. Except these ideas are becoming more like beliefs and this theory is more like a conspiracy. BW created the EC to clear up a lot of the confusion that was present, yet you guys are just looking for more holes as if BW's effort to clear this up doesn't disprove the "theory".

I recommend you visit page one and check out the links.  You clearly don't understand the thing you're arguing against

[byne]

Xavendithas wrote...

Taking the scene with Harbinger into account, where does the hallucination begin now? Is it safe to assume that it begins at the crash of the transport they are riding in? Or does the hallucination begin when Harbinger hits Shepard?

I've been thinking it started at the transport crash for a couple months now.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Taking the scene with Harbinger into account, where does the hallucination begin now? Is it safe to assume that it begins at the crash of the transport they are riding in? Or does the hallucination begin when Harbinger hits Shepard?

I've been thinking it started at the transport crash for a couple months now.

Seems likely.

[Xavendithas]

byne wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Taking the scene with Harbinger into account, where does the hallucination begin now? Is it safe to assume that it begins at the crash of the transport they are riding in? Or does the hallucination begin when Harbinger hits Shepard?

I've been thinking it started at the transport crash for a couple months now.

That thought has always been lurking in the back of my mind. I never understood how the driver managed to crash into the lip of the crater leading into to the Conduit. This seems even more suspicious now.

[Simon_Says]

Xavendithas wrote...

Taking the scene with Harbinger ignoring the Normandy into account, where does the hallucination begin now? Is it safe to assume that it begins at the crash of the transport they are riding in? Or does the hallucination begin when Harbinger hits Shepard?

The hallucination could still start when the transport crashes before the run. Or when Harbinger shoots Shepard down. Or there never was one. What we saw could have involved just waking hallucinations superimposed over reality. Now that the Citadel wasn't completely busted apart, Shepard doesn't need to have been on Earth to survive.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 01 juillet 2012 - 08:43 .

[Andromidius]

MaximizedAction wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I thought this was interesting:

What do you guys think?
Edit: I heard the dream music too.
Double Edit: Holy crap guys does this scene not remind you of the beam run? The Reaper "laser" kind of tracks Shepard then knocks her back but doesn't kill her and almost puts her unconscious. With dream music playing.

Holy...
Bioware, you just crazy!

Also notice that Anderson saying "Shepard!" is the first thing heard after waking up, exactly the same as on the Citadel.  And you receive a gun from Anderson both times as well (indirectly on the Citadel - but that Carnifex was his, question being why you found it right next to you with Anderson nowhere in sight while still on Earth and walking to the conduit...).

[dreamgazer]

byne wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Taking the scene with Harbinger into account, where does the hallucination begin now? Is it safe to assume that it begins at the crash of the transport they are riding in? Or does the hallucination begin when Harbinger hits Shepard?

I've been thinking it started at the transport crash for a couple months now.

My argument to this now is the second goodbye scene, which would be another "fake" tug at emotion. Does that really seem like something they'd do?

[Xavendithas]

Is Coats present in the transport when it crashes? I can't remember.

[BansheeOwnage]

Andromidius wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I thought this was interesting:

What do you guys think?
Edit: I heard the dream music too.
Double Edit: Holy crap guys does this scene not remind you of the beam run? The Reaper "laser" kind of tracks Shepard then knocks her back but doesn't kill her and almost puts her unconscious. With dream music playing.

Holy...
Bioware, you just crazy!

Also notice that Anderson saying "Shepard!" is the first thing heard after waking up, exactly the same as on the Citadel.  And you receive a gun from Anderson both times as well (indirectly on the Citadel - but that Carnifex was his, question being why you found it right next to you with Anderson nowhere in sight while still on Earth and walking to the conduit...).

Nice! Keep going. I'm noticing a lot of similarities now that I'm thinking about it.

[Andromidius]

Xavendithas wrote...

Is Coats present in the transport when it crashes? I can't remember.

Yeah he is.  That shadey ba...

[CoolioThane]

CoolioThane wrote...

 London Calling - The ClashThe ending takes place in London, clash representing the conflict taking place.
Delve deeper into the record, notice some of the tracks:
i) London Calling
ii) Hateful
iii) Death or Glory
iv) Four Horsemen
v) I'm Not Down
vi) Revolution Rock

Now, obviously, I'm looking too far into the album, but it interests me. These tracks strike me as fitting in with the ending. Hatred from and towards the Reapers, the four horsemen of the apocalypse indicating what could happen if we fail. Death or glory, success or total annihilation. Revolution against the norm, the norm being a Reaper victory and thus ending the cycle.

Atomic Weight of Iron
55.845 +/- 0.002 u
Fe, Atomic Number: 26 

Famous iron canyons of Aequitas...another link to indoctrination and the potential Leviathan DLC - if we are right in suggesting the DLC may take place at Aequitas. If it does not, it is still another link to indoctrination, with the device in ME2.

Or if you're mental you could look at it like this (This is just for fun, I don't actually believe this):
26 is the Atomic Number
The crystalline structure is Cubic...cubes have 6 faces...

26/6 is the day the Extended Cut was released - CONCLUSIVE (lol)

UK Secret Service
Provides the government with foreign intelligence - maybe a nudge towards Earth being supplied information from "foreign" planets, maybe but this is a reach. Though we do provide Anderson and Earth with info throughout the game?

Moving on, I suspect it's something to do with Reaper spies within London, purely because the Indoctrination Codezx entry mentions this sort of thing and it makes perfect sense. Coates being the Reaper thrall makes sense, considering he was by himself fighting Reapers for days and so his mind likely would have been weakened...could also fit with why we clearly see the warning sign next to him on the Mako similar to the signs near the kid on Vancouver.


-128.6 FahrenheitVostok Station, Antarctica - -128.6 Fahrenheit the coldest temperature recorded on Earth

Vostok System - Alko, Clomarthu, Nodacrux, Pataiton, .ALKO - Unregistered starship travel, travel not recommended
CLOMARTHU - Could be Earth's twin (size and orbit) but no life
NODACRUX - Very interesting. Abandoned facility with Thorian Creepers (Indoctrination) thus links in with the hinted Leviathan DLC - Also space cows xD
PATAITON - Meh, just a Matriarch writing Tali discovers on ship

Nodacrux interests me greatly. Especially with there being mentions to Thorians in the hinted DLC...this could prove to be a link to these clues

May also just point to Lake Vostok in Eastern Antarcitca, where scientists (Now, in the present 2012) hypothesise new life could be found in the underwater lake...maybe hinting there could be something in the lake that's been hidden for thousands of years...an Ancient species, a weapon, plans? This is purely **** thoughts and bull - I'm sure it relates to the Vostok system, specifically Nodacrux and its Thorian creepers.

Red HerringThe most interesting of all. Red Herring, also known as IGNORATIO ELENCHI...which translates to - which I find absolutely perfect - IRRELEVANT CONCLUSION, or FALLACY OF DISTRACTION. 

"deliberate attempt to divert a process of enquiry by changing the subject. For example: "I think that we should make the academic requirements stricter for students. I recommend that you support this because we are in a budget crisis and we do not want our salaries affected."[/i] Here the second sentence, though used to support the first, does not address the topic of the first sentence, instead switching the focus to the quite different topic of lecturer salaries. "

Holy ****, this has got me excited.

Also sorry for my post if it appears stupid, I just went full crazy on this research stuff xD INTERESTING

Any opinions? I workeded hard being a tinhat! 

[Simon_Says]

Andromidius wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Is Coats present in the transport when it crashes? I can't remember.

Yeah he is.  That shadey ba...

With a warning sign right next to him. Just like the Kid during the vent scene and the escape from Earth.

Also he apparently comes with his own infrasonic noise whenever he's on screen.