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[CoolioThane]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Yeah the dreams are very weird. And you know what they mean from a literalist point of view? That Shepard has PTSD even though (I think wou mentioned this) (s)he clearly doesn't.

A standard counter argument for PTSD is that if Kelly survived ME2 then you can meet her on the Citadel:
www.youtube.com/watch

This is more like PTSD. She can't go on fighting anymore.

Do you think this is similar to how Shepard feels?

And while thinking about it, keep in mind that Casey stated in one interview that they wanted the make the player feel what Shepard feels instead of have us just react to what he's feeling. So, if PTSD, shouldn't we feel it too?

Yes Shepard's resolve is rediculous. He doesn't let anyone's death affect his will to fight.

Arguable that Casey's "want players to feel what Shepard feels" is kind of beneficial for the IT?

[Andromidius]

CoolioThane wrote...

Arguable that Casey's "want players to feel what Shepard feels" is kind of beneficial for the IT?

Yes.  Indoctrinating Shepard is only a matter of writing a script.  Indoctrinating the player into thinking the choices you make are in any way sane or in keeping with the character of Shepard or even in the best interests of the Galaxy is...

Artwork?

Frustrating artwork, but artwork none the less.

[Simon_Says]

RedDeadRemix wrote...

Anyone else find it interesting how Control and Destroy show a happier Coates helping clean-up, but Synthesis shows Coates directing clean-up with the Reapers in the background, almost instructing him? Really creepy, and reminds me of how Saren said that the Reapers would spare him after they returned. Why put such a sinister dude right in the forefront of this particular ending, unless he's their thrall, and has been promoted?

Mind capturing screens of this so that we have a direct basis for comparison?

[LT123]

Simon_Says wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Has anyone actually confirmed what I said the other day about Shepard's facial experssions in the final dream before Chronos station?

It appears that it's just a bug or something. The only consistent pattern with them is that they alternate between loads and the horrified expression doesn't show if you just skip the dialogue beforehand.

The horrified expression does show even if you skip the dialogue beforehand. But yeah, it seems like it just alternates between calm and horrified each time, regardless of the dialogue options chosen. I should probably test it some more.

[paxxton]

How about that? Ultimate proof?


EDIT: Nah, it seems the name was given unofficially by the uploader.  One other track is called Marauder Shields.

Modifié par paxxton, 01 juillet 2012 - 09:23 .

[Andromidius]

paxxton wrote...

How about that? Ultimate proof?

Da fa....

That track is actually called 'Indoctrination'?  Crazy...

[Simon_Says]

CoolioThane wrote...

Arguable that Casey's "want players to feel what Shepard feels" is kind of beneficial for the IT?

I think it was Rifneno who spelled out that out-of-game developer comments shouldn't be regarded as reliable because Bioware has already proven many of their statements to be either misleading or outright false. So while Casey's comment here could theoretically support IT-as-canon, take it with a grain of salt and make sure you're not just seeing what you want to see.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

paxxton wrote...

How about that? Ultimate proof?


EDIT: Nah, I think the name was given unofficially by the uploader.

And without scene context we cant really know if it is used in regards to Shepard or someone else.

[Piousp]

paxxton wrote...

How about that? Ultimate proof?

BY THE GODDESS

[Piousp]

double post

Modifié par Piousp, 01 juillet 2012 - 09:22 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Andromidius wrote...

paxxton wrote...

How about that? Ultimate proof?

Da fa....

That track is actually called 'Indoctrination'?  Crazy...

The names of that video and others from that playlist are neither taken from the game nor soundtrack but just guessed.
It's from ME2, dunno it's name there but in ME3 it's simply called "tension"

[Simon_Says]

Andromidius wrote...

paxxton wrote...

How about that? Ultimate proof?

Da fa....

That track is actually called 'Indoctrination'?  Crazy...

I think this was brought up before. There is no official expanded score. This and other similar collections are probably just game rips that the fans have added titles to. So Ultimate Proof? No. It's not even substantial.

[Andromidius]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

How about that? Ultimate proof?


EDIT: Nah, I think the name was given unofficially by the uploader.

And without scene context we cant really know if it is used in regards to Shepard or someone else.

Well considering it starts with Shepard...

Long shot, but its interesting anyway.  At least it shows indoctrination of some sort was in the minds of the developers at that stage.

Never mind.

Modifié par Andromidius, 01 juillet 2012 - 09:24 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Here's an analogy that BleedingUranium came up with a while ago for ME3's ending.

In case you forget what happened in ME1, after Sovereign blows up, a piece of it hits the citadel tower (slightly creepy music at the end of "Victory"). This would be where ME3 ends (An End Once and For All). What were missing in ME3 is what happens after in ME1.

Shepard then emerges from a pile of wreckage to find her 2 slightly wounded squadmates and Anderson.

[CoolioThane]

Simon_Says wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Arguable that Casey's "want players to feel what Shepard feels" is kind of beneficial for the IT?

I think it was Rifneno who spelled out that out-of-game developer comments shouldn't be regarded as reliable because Bioware has already proven many of their statements to be either misleading or outright false. So while Casey's comment here could theoretically support IT-as-canon, take it with a grain of salt and make sure you're not just seeing what you want to see.

I accept the literal ending point of view as it is what we see, and every game to date's ending is literal. 

There's something about Mass Effect that makes me think this is special, and we will see IT come to fruition!  

Whatever piece of evidence comes to light I look at it in both the IT and literal ways. That way, I'm hoping for IT and strongly believe in it, but if it is face value...I guess I can accept, but IT is my headcanon xD

[estebanus]

Well, it's nice to see you guys speculating just as usual

I'll be going again (Luggage processing), so maybe I'll see you all later today, or tomorrow!

[Simon_Says]

Andromidius wrote...

Well considering it starts with Shepard...

Long shot, but its interesting anyway.  At least it shows indoctrination of some sort was in the minds of the developers at that stage.

Indoctrination was obviously what was presented as going on during the Anderson/TIM encounter. That much is clear as day. The problem is that the whole scene is far too obvious to be convincing as the only indoctrination attempt. I mean, if you saw black smoke wisps around your vision when the reapers were pressing your mind, how the hell did TIM or Saren not realize what was going on immediately? Indoc is supposed to be something difficult to detect until the point where the subject's mind is completely lost. And yet, black smoke. Someone post that fishy pic again.

Also should be noted that the iOS app about ME3 pretty much stated that the devs played with the concept of indoctrinating Shepard. They said they abandoned the idea of taking control of Shepard away from the player. Didn't say they dropped the idea completely.

[MaximizedAction]

Andromidius wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Arguable that Casey's "want players to feel what Shepard feels" is kind of beneficial for the IT?

Yes.  Indoctrinating Shepard is only a matter of writing a script.  Indoctrinating the player into thinking the choices you make are in any way sane or in keeping with the character of Shepard or even in the best interests of the Galaxy is...

Artwork?

Frustrating artwork, but artwork none the less.

Absolutely!
ME3 is either their biggest hit or their biggest mistake.

[invetro]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

invetro wrote...

Apologies if this has been raised already, but I can hear something a bit bizarre before Shep arrives on the Citadel. When the keeper is examining the helmet, there is a sound almost like a groan, even though everyone up there is supposedly dead, then it cuts away and we can hear what sounds like gunfire from outside the Citadel followed by another anomalous noise like a faint reaper growl. While it is audible on my awful laptop speakers, I only noticed it when I had headphones on.

The scene starts at 3:48.

All i can hear is the Keeper sounds and the beam doing it's beam thing. That and a feint hum before Shepard's mecha-gasp,

I'll try and do some audio analysis later when I'm at my main PC, try and bump the volume on that part. The groan is a lot quieter than the keeper sound, playing at the same time. To me, it sounds like Anderson, but you can't really pinpoint someones voice from how they groan. Just a hunch. But yeah, high volume and headphones and I can't see anyone missing this.

[EpicTacoProject]

 Don't know if this has already been posted, but damn...
www.youtube.com/watch

[Simon_Says]

EpicTacoProject wrote...

 Don't know if this has already been posted, but damn...
www.youtube.com/watch

Actually, what I want to know is who's face is that next to Coats?

Is that... Anderson? Scratch that it's a generic dude.

Except why have a generic dude and Coats right there?

Modifié par Simon_Says, 01 juillet 2012 - 09:36 .

[Andromidius]

Simon_Says wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Well considering it starts with Shepard...

Long shot, but its interesting anyway.  At least it shows indoctrination of some sort was in the minds of the developers at that stage.

Indoctrination was obviously what was presented as going on during the Anderson/TIM encounter. That much is clear as day. The problem is that the whole scene is far too obvious to be convincing as the only indoctrination attempt. I mean, if you saw black smoke wisps around your vision when the reapers were pressing your mind, how the hell did TIM or Saren not realize what was going on immediately? Indoc is supposed to be something difficult to detect until the point where the subject's mind is completely lost. And yet, black smoke. Someone post that fishy pic again.

Also should be noted that the iOS app about ME3 pretty much stated that the devs played with the concept of indoctrinating Shepard. They said they abandoned the idea of taking control of Shepard away from the player. Didn't say they dropped the idea completely.

Yep.  Agreed.

My was point was actually about the music.  But since it was pointed out how that wasn't the actual song name...  I retracted my statement.  Too easy to get excited >_>

But yeah, even at face value Shepard is being indoctrinated right there.  The fact TIM is now dead shouldn't make people think "oh, Shepard isn't being controlled anymore!"  Indoctrination never goes away!

But yeah, Shep's been undergoing it for a looooooooooong time.  Which is why I think TIM's scene is just bunk when it comes to suddenly seizing control of Shep's body like that - we NEVER see indoctrination working that way before!

[Andromidius]

EpicTacoProject wrote...

 Don't know if this has already been posted, but damn...
www.youtube.com/watch

Da heck?  If it was in the pile of bodies I'd go with 'easter egg' or 'coincidence' (only so many faces they can make)...

But its the body that's having the helmet removed?  Seriously?  SERIOUSLY?

*mind explodes*

[Wolfram Tarant]

EpicTacoProject wrote...

 Don't know if this has already been posted, but damn...
www.youtube.com/watch

Wow... I don't even.... wow.

[CoolioThane]

Because Shepard is indoctrinated xD