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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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BansheeOwnage

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paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

@BansheeOwnage: How many Banshees have you already collected?

All of them.

Nice! Posted Image

You could say I...

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...own at it.

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Andromidius wrote...

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On the subject of the soundtrack:


This only appears over the planet sequence right?
http://www.definition-of.net/malefit


Wait, that wasn't unique to Mass Effect?

Why have a modern day song at the end of Mass Effect 3?


I don't understand what the other posters were getting at with "All Along the Watchtower", but Das Malefitz was made specifically for ME3 by the band that did the credits song for ME1.

Modifié par Either.Ardrey, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:50 .


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I found the quote - its in ME2 actually.

"They were seeing things, hearing things. They were being indoctrinated."

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Either.Ardrey wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

On the subject of the soundtrack:


This only appears over the planet sequence right?
http://www.definition-of.net/malefit


Wait, that wasn't unique to Mass Effect?

Why have a modern day song at the end of Mass Effect 3?


I don't understand what the other posters were getting at with "All Along the Watchtower", but Das Malefitz was made specifically for ME3 by the band that did the credits song for ME1.


Link or source, please?

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:54 .


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v0rt3x22 wrote...

I found the quote - its in ME2 actually.

"They were seeing things, hearing things. They were being indoctrinated."

Yeah. The only reason Shepard wouldn't become indoctrinated is indoc-plot-armour. Which would be lame.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I found the quote - its in ME2 actually.

"They were seeing things, hearing things. They were being indoctrinated."

Yeah. The only reason Shepard wouldn't become indoctrinated is indoc-plot-armour. Which would be lame.


Well, the only thing that seperates Shepard from most other organics is, that he was resurrected by Cerberus in ME2. That I could accept as a reason to why he can overcome indoc. attempts.

But it would still feel lame. And god forbid if they come up with something a la 'Shepard is The One'. :sick:

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I'll be back later. Remeber, lots of speculation from everyone.

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Haha guys - watch this and think about it in terms of IT and what happened at the end of ME3 - its awesome (I'm refering to the logs that are being played from the people who are being indoctrinated):

http://www.youtube.c...?v=yVtRmArem7A 

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 01 juillet 2012 - 11:03 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

@BansheeOwnage: How many Banshees have you already collected?

All of them.

Nice! Posted Image

You could say I...

(•_•)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)

...own at it.

I bet it's got everyone..
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Screaming

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 Don't know if this has already been posted, but damn...
www.youtube.com/watch

Somebody should check with fly cam if (seemingly) Coats' body vanishes right after Shep wakes up and THAT sound comes.
It's said, that his body vanishes after you got control over Shepard. But I'd like to know if his body vanishes with that creepy sound. Maybe that adds up.

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UltimateTobi wrote...

EpicTacoProject wrote...

 Don't know if this has already been posted, but damn...
www.youtube.com/watch

Somebody should check with fly cam if (seemingly) Coats' body vanishes right after Shep wakes up and THAT sound comes.
It's said, that his body vanishes after you got control over Shepard. But I'd like to know if his body vanishes with that creepy sound. Maybe that adds up.

It seems a very strange thing to animate, given that it's never normally going to be noticed and it's actually a fair amount of effort to put that keeper/coates interaction in... :?

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So I'm scanning through the thread today and all I can say is "For crying out loud guys DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!."
They're like mangy stray dogs; if you feed them once, you better be prepared to take one home with you, because they're always going to barking at your front door.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 01 juillet 2012 - 11:29 .


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TSA_383 wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

EpicTacoProject wrote...

 Don't know if this has already been posted, but damn...
www.youtube.com/watch

Somebody should check with fly cam if (seemingly) Coats' body vanishes right after Shep wakes up and THAT sound comes.
It's said, that his body vanishes after you got control over Shepard. But I'd like to know if his body vanishes with that creepy sound. Maybe that adds up.

It seems a very strange thing to animate, given that it's never normally going to be noticed and it's actually a fair amount of effort to put that keeper/coates interaction in... :?

Yeah, they've put extra effort into that new scene for EC. Why doing that if it's just visible with fly cam? And why is his body away after you got control over Shepard? And why that new sound when Shepard wakes up. Maybe that sound is related to Coats' corpse. That's why I want to have it checked out.

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

Haha guys - watch this and think about it in terms of IT and what happened at the end of ME3 - its awesome (I'm refering to the logs that are being played from the people who are being indoctrinated):

http://www.youtube.c...?v=yVtRmArem7A 


www.youtube.com/watch

Now exchange that speech by an explaination of how the Reapers are actually galactic peacekeepers who are controlled by an AI who just wants to save organics and synthetics, and to do so lets you jump into a beam of energy that alters all genetic material and hard- and software into a final form of existence...where everyone can live in peace together.

It's weird, I remember that back when I watched that 'dead god can dream' log 2 years ago, I thought "what a lunatic, of course he's indoctrinated, duuuh, how can he not see that, what a dumbo".
Now, I just caught myself listening to his speech's every word as if he was actually saying something significant or trruthful.

Of course, this guy's impression of the Reapers is different from Shepard, as they are in different situations, while Shepard won't fall into the god trap (although it's debatable, whether the Catalyst can be considered a deity), for Shepard the more important theme is saving everyone in the galaxy. And what, if not Catalyst's supposed goal is the ultimate form of salvation.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 01 juillet 2012 - 11:29 .


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Salient Archer wrote...

So I'm scanning through the thread today and all I can say is "For crying out loud guys DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!."
They're like mangry stray dogs; if you feed them once, you better be prepared to take one home with you, because they're always going to barking at your front door.


Posted Image 
I think this is the appropriate image with regards to trolls and their feeding.

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CoolioThane wrote...

 London Calling - The ClashThe ending takes place in London, clash representing the conflict taking place.
Delve deeper into the record, notice some of the tracks:
i) London Calling
ii) Hateful
iii) Death or Glory
iv) Four Horsemen
v) I'm Not Down
vi) Revolution Rock

Now, obviously, I'm looking too far into the album, but it interests me. These tracks strike me as fitting in with the ending. Hatred from and towards the Reapers, the four horsemen of the apocalypse indicating what could happen if we fail. Death or glory, success or total annihilation. Revolution against the norm, the norm being a Reaper victory and thus ending the cycle.

Atomic Weight of Iron
55.845 +/- 0.002 u
Fe, Atomic Number: 26 

Famous iron canyons of Aequitas...another link to indoctrination and the potential Leviathan DLC - if we are right in suggesting the DLC may take place at Aequitas. If it does not, it is still another link to indoctrination, with the device in ME2.

Or if you're mental you could look at it like this (This is just for fun, I don't actually believe this):
26 is the Atomic Number
The crystalline structure is Cubic...cubes have 6 faces...

26/6 is the day the Extended Cut was released - CONCLUSIVE (lol)

UK Secret Service
Provides the government with foreign intelligence - maybe a nudge towards Earth being supplied information from "foreign" planets, maybe but this is a reach. Though we do provide Anderson and Earth with info throughout the game?

Moving on, I suspect it's something to do with Reaper spies within London, purely because the Indoctrination Codezx entry mentions this sort of thing and it makes perfect sense. Coates being the Reaper thrall makes sense, considering he was by himself fighting Reapers for days and so his mind likely would have been weakened...could also fit with why we clearly see the warning sign next to him on the Mako similar to the signs near the kid on Vancouver.


-128.6 FahrenheitVostok Station, Antarctica - -128.6 Fahrenheit the coldest temperature recorded on Earth

Vostok System - Alko, Clomarthu, Nodacrux, Pataiton, .ALKO - Unregistered starship travel, travel not recommended
CLOMARTHU - Could be Earth's twin (size and orbit) but no life
NODACRUX - Very interesting. Abandoned facility with Thorian Creepers (Indoctrination) thus links in with the hinted Leviathan DLC - Also space cows xD
PATAITON - Meh, just a Matriarch writing Tali discovers on ship

Nodacrux interests me greatly. Especially with there being mentions to Thorians in the hinted DLC...this could prove to be a link to these clues

May also just point to Lake Vostok in Eastern Antarcitca, where scientists (Now, in the present 2012) hypothesise new life could be found in the underwater lake...maybe hinting there could be something in the lake that's been hidden for thousands of years...an Ancient species, a weapon, plans? This is purely **** thoughts and bull - I'm sure it relates to the Vostok system, specifically Nodacrux and its Thorian creepers.

Red HerringThe most interesting of all. Red Herring, also known as IGNORATIO ELENCHI...which translates to - which I find absolutely perfect - IRRELEVANT CONCLUSION, or FALLACY OF DISTRACTION. 

"deliberate attempt to divert a process of enquiry by changing the subject. For example: "I think that we should make the academic requirements stricter for students. I recommend that you support this because we are in a budget crisis and we do not want our salaries affected."[/i] Here the second sentence, though used to support the first, does not address the topic of the first sentence, instead switching the focus to the quite different topic of lecturer salaries. "

Holy ****, this has got me excited.

Also sorry for my post if it appears stupid, I just went full crazy on this research stuff xD INTERESTING


Whilst there's a lull, anyone fancy chatting about this?

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UltimateTobi wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

EpicTacoProject wrote...

 Don't know if this has already been posted, but damn...
www.youtube.com/watch

Somebody should check with fly cam if (seemingly) Coats' body vanishes right after Shep wakes up and THAT sound comes.
It's said, that his body vanishes after you got control over Shepard. But I'd like to know if his body vanishes with that creepy sound. Maybe that adds up.

It seems a very strange thing to animate, given that it's never normally going to be noticed and it's actually a fair amount of effort to put that keeper/coates interaction in... :?

Yeah, they've put extra effort into that new scene for EC. Why doing that if it's just visible with fly cam? And why is his body away after you got control over Shepard? And why that new sound when Shepard wakes up. Maybe that sound is related to Coats' corpse. That's why I want to have it checked out.



WTF!!! MIND BLOWN - this is crazy!
And there are people who don't believe in IT?

This vid deserves its own post :o
Edit: ok it has its own post already =]

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 02 juillet 2012 - 12:10 .


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v0rt3x22 wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

EpicTacoProject wrote...

 Don't know if this has already been posted, but damn...
www.youtube.com/watch

Somebody should check with fly cam if (seemingly) Coats' body vanishes right after Shep wakes up and THAT sound comes.
It's said, that his body vanishes after you got control over Shepard. But I'd like to know if his body vanishes with that creepy sound. Maybe that adds up.

It seems a very strange thing to animate, given that it's never normally going to be noticed and it's actually a fair amount of effort to put that keeper/coates interaction in... :?

Yeah, they've put extra effort into that new scene for EC. Why doing that if it's just visible with fly cam? And why is his body away after you got control over Shepard? And why that new sound when Shepard wakes up. Maybe that sound is related to Coats' corpse. That's why I want to have it checked out.



WTF!!! MIND BLOWN - this is crazy!
And there are people who don't believe in IT?

This vid deserves its own post :o
Edit: ok it has its own post already =]


Well that is interesting. And it's not like they couldn't animate the helmet on another model. Coats is not dead, either, based on voices you hear and the end sequences.

And there's CleverNoob in the comments. Do I detect self-ingratiation?

Modifié par Auralius Carolus, 02 juillet 2012 - 12:17 .


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Auralius Carolus wrote...


Well that is interesting. And it's not like they couldn't animate the helmet on another model. Coats is not dead, either, based on voices you hear and the end sequences.



As far as I understand this is all happening outside of the view of the player and before he gets control of Shepard, correct?

Then why animate in the first place??

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...


Well that is interesting. And it's not like they couldn't animate the helmet on another model. Coats is not dead, either, based on voices you hear and the end sequences.



As far as I understand this is all happening outside of the view of the player and before he gets control of Shepard, correct?

Then why animate in the first place??


You see the Keeper lift up the helmet, but you can't tell from where. So, the Keeper animation is needed for the most part. The head dipping could be ingame physics, or an animation. *Shrug*

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...


Well that is interesting. And it's not like they couldn't animate the helmet on another model. Coats is not dead, either, based on voices you hear and the end sequences.



As far as I understand this is all happening outside of the view of the player and before he gets control of Shepard, correct?

Then why animate in the first place??


Or do that helmet scene, at all?

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...


Well that is interesting. And it's not like they couldn't animate the helmet on another model. Coats is not dead, either, based on voices you hear and the end sequences.



As far as I understand this is all happening outside of the view of the player and before he gets control of Shepard, correct?

Then why animate in the first place??

Yeah, that's the question. Aaand, then there's THAT SOUND... ;)

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 god this is all so exciting :crying:

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I don't mean to be a dick, but are you guys still clutching at straws? Or is this just a "what if" kind of thing?

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UltimateTobi wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...


Well that is interesting. And it's not like they couldn't animate the helmet on another model. Coats is not dead, either, based on voices you hear and the end sequences.



As far as I understand this is all happening outside of the view of the player and before he gets control of Shepard, correct?

Then why animate in the first place??

Yeah, that's the question. Aaand, then there's THAT SOUND... ;)


It's also the exact moment that Anderson is replaced by "Admiral" Anderson in the subtitles. Unless that happens at any other point during Priority:Earth... which I don't think it does.

Edit : screwed up the quotes

Modifié par Xavendithas, 02 juillet 2012 - 12:27 .