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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Femlob wrote...

I don't mean to be a dick, but are you guys still clutching at straws? Or is this just a "what if" kind of thing?

If that scene is a straw, explain it what else should it be?

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Femlob wrote...

I don't mean to be a dick, but are you guys still clutching at straws? Or is this just a "what if" kind of thing?


why are you even in here? :P:lol:

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

Femlob wrote...

I don't mean to be a dick, but are you guys still clutching at straws? Or is this just a "what if" kind of thing?


why are you even in here? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie][smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]


Curiosity.

UltimateTobi wrote...

Femlob wrote...

I don't mean to be a dick, but are you guys still clutching at straws? Or is this just a "what if" kind of thing?

If that scene is a straw, explain it what else should it be?


I wasn't talking about that scene, just the whole IT business in general.

Modifié par Femlob, 02 juillet 2012 - 12:26 .


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Femlob wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Femlob wrote...

I don't mean to be a dick, but are you guys still clutching at straws? Or is this just a "what if" kind of thing?


why are you even in here? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie][smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]


Curiosity.

UltimateTobi wrote...

Femlob wrote...

I don't mean to be a dick, but are you guys still clutching at straws? Or is this just a "what if" kind of thing?

If that scene is a straw, explain it what else should it be?


I wasn't talking about that scene, just the whole IT business in general.

Well, if it was clutching at straws for you before EC as well, then I'd tell you "Here's nothing to see, go along.". :P

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Femlob wrote...

I don't mean to be a dick, but are you guys still clutching at straws? Or is this just a "what if" kind of thing?


Neither.

Indoctrination Theory is full steam ahead.  Either move aside or get on for the ride!

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Andromidius wrote...

Femlob wrote...

I don't mean to be a dick, but are you guys still clutching at straws? Or is this just a "what if" kind of thing?


Neither.

Indoctrination Theory is full steam ahead.  Either move aside or get on for the ride!


well said :innocent:

#36882
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v0rt3x22 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Femlob wrote...

I don't mean to be a dick, but are you guys still clutching at straws? Or is this just a "what if" kind of thing?


Neither.

Indoctrination Theory is full steam ahead.  Either move aside or get on for the ride!


well said :innocent:

BTW your little comic in your sig. is nice. I liked it. Indoctrination Theory conFIIIIIRMED!

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 02 juillet 2012 - 12:33 .


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Femlob wrote...

I don't mean to be a dick, but are you guys still clutching at straws? Or is this just a "what if" kind of thing?


There are weird things placed weirdly at weird places.

Sometimes it's things that at first glance appear as bugs, sometimes it's things that are very unlikely bugs, because putting them there requires additional effort.
So we try to grade them by their likelyhood of being intended or not.

If likely intended, we discuss them under the condition "assuming Shepard is being indoctrinated".

Then we interpretate it.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

It's a standard scientific method. ^_^

EDIT: Or that's how I see this thread.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 02 juillet 2012 - 12:35 .


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UltimateTobi wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Femlob wrote...

I don't mean to be a dick, but are you guys still clutching at straws? Or is this just a "what if" kind of thing?


Neither.

Indoctrination Theory is full steam ahead.  Either move aside or get on for the ride!


well said :innocent:

BTW your little comic in your sig. is nice. I liked it. Indoctrination Theory conFIIIIIRMED!

Same here. Great read but you should try correcting some spelling mistakes to make it look professional.

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paxxton wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Femlob wrote...

I don't mean to be a dick, but are you guys still clutching at straws? Or is this just a "what if" kind of thing?


Neither.

Indoctrination Theory is full steam ahead.  Either move aside or get on for the ride!


well said :innocent:

BTW your little comic in your sig. is nice. I liked it. Indoctrination Theory conFIIIIIRMED!

Same here. Great read but you should try correcting some spelling mistakes to make it look professional.


Haha thanks guys.

English isn't my native language - and some of the pictures need a bit better cropping but I had a lot of fun making it :)

By the way - someone just posted this on the forum: 
 

A simple explaination of synth.
I rather like it - it seems to explain a bit better that synth (along with control) is a trick by starchild

#36886
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Femlob wrote...

I don't mean to be a dick, but are you guys still clutching at straws? Or is this just a "what if" kind of thing?

Hardly straws.

And even if Bioware didn't actually intend it, the theory still holds pretty strong even as just an interpretation.

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Let it indoctrinate you.

Just for the time passing by.

I am astonished by the new evidences found every day TBH. After playing the EC I thought IT is dead. But seriously, it seems more alive than ever. Especially after I saw the new evidences which popped up shipped with the EC. I mean, why making the effort at all to put in new stuff which feeds the IT? Like Coats' corpse, "Serve us!" copyrighted by Harbinger, that eery sound when Shep wakes up, etc.

Teasing? Admitting? Who knows. BW keeps it alive, apperantly on purpose.

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UltimateTobi wrote...

Let it indoctrinate you.

Just for the time passing by.

I am astonished by the new evidences found every day TBH. After playing the EC I thought IT is dead. But seriously, it seems more alive than ever. Especially after I saw the new evidences which popped up shipped with the EC. I mean, why making the effort at all to put in new stuff which feeds the IT? Like Coats' corpse, "Serve us!" copyrighted by Harbinger, that eery sound when Shep wakes up, etc.

Teasing? Admitting? Who knows. BW keeps it alive, apperantly on purpose.


I think that they are going to release IT DLC.

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Simon_Says wrote...

Femlob wrote...

I don't mean to be a dick, but are you guys still clutching at straws? Or is this just a "what if" kind of thing?

Hardly straws.

And even if Bioware didn't actually intend it, the theory still holds pretty strong even as just an interpretation.


I suppose it'd help if I stated that I have no strong feelings about the whole theory one way or another. I'm just curious to see if you guys really expect BioWare to surface with additional stuff one day (which I don't buy) or if it's more like "we know it won't happen, but it's interesting to discuss anyway".

Modifié par Femlob, 02 juillet 2012 - 12:44 .


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UltimateTobi wrote...

Let it indoctrinate you.

Just for the time passing by.

I am astonished by the new evidences found every day TBH. After playing the EC I thought IT is dead. But seriously, it seems more alive than ever. Especially after I saw the new evidences which popped up shipped with the EC. I mean, why making the effort at all to put in new stuff which feeds the IT? Like Coats' corpse, "Serve us!" copyrighted by Harbinger, that eery sound when Shep wakes up, etc.

Teasing? Admitting? Who knows. BW keeps it alive, apperantly on purpose.

Some energizing music to counteract indoctrination...

Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 12:56 .


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liggy002 wrote...

I think that they are going to release IT DLC.

Only if they decide to change their plans significantly which actually poses many logistics-related problems. My strong bet is for the IT being revealed in Mass Effect 4 in which it can get a deserved treatment.
 Unless the official plans aren't the real plans. Posted Image But seriously lying isn't a noble or wise thing for a company to practice.

Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 12:57 .


#36892
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Anyways. Gotta go to sleep now guys 'n gals. Make me proud, I want to see new speculations/evidences later on. ;)

Sleep well.

#36893
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liggy002 wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

Let it indoctrinate you.

Just for the time passing by.

I am astonished by the new evidences found every day TBH. After playing the EC I thought IT is dead. But seriously, it seems more alive than ever. Especially after I saw the new evidences which popped up shipped with the EC. I mean, why making the effort at all to put in new stuff which feeds the IT? Like Coats' corpse, "Serve us!" copyrighted by Harbinger, that eery sound when Shep wakes up, etc.

Teasing? Admitting? Who knows. BW keeps it alive, apperantly on purpose.


I think that they are going to release IT DLC.


yea

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Andromidius wrote...

Femlob wrote...

I don't mean to be a dick, but are you guys still clutching at straws? Or is this just a "what if" kind of thing?


Neither.

Indoctrination Theory is full steam ahead.  Either move aside or get on for the ride!


http://www.picvalley...iA4j6VCtlgl.JPG

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 02 juillet 2012 - 12:58 .


#36895
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Big_Boss9 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Indoctrination Theory is full steam ahead.  Either move aside or get on for the ride!


Posted Image

Fixed.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

On the subject of the soundtrack:


This only appears over the planet sequence right?
http://www.definition-of.net/malefit


Wait, that wasn't unique to Mass Effect?

Why have a modern day song at the end of Mass Effect 3?


I don't understand what the other posters were getting at with "All Along the Watchtower", but Das Malefitz was made specifically for ME3 by the band that did the credits song for ME1.


Link or source, please?


I don't have a direct source, but both end credits beginning songs were done by Faunts, and I believe it was mentioned at PAX when they also made that one fan-artist an official artist.

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Simon_Says wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Indoctrination Theory is full steam ahead.  Either move aside or get on for the ride!


Posted Image

Fixed.


Thanks Simon. I still need to get the hang of BBcode images ... clearly. :mellow:

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Femlob wrote...

Curiosity.


Well then, stick around. While Bioware made it clear that certain elements that were being interpretted as IT were, apparently, not sound, they also reinforced certain elements of it, why leaving some alone and even adding new mysteries.

As best I can tell, the "Extended Cut" didn't extend crap- that thing was ment to be in the package when the game went Gold.

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

Thanks Simon. I still need to get the hang of BBcode images ... clearly. :mellow:


Well you got to actually put the full URL of the image within [img] tags instead of just dragging the image onto the reply form, or whatever you actually did.

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

Let it indoctrinate you.

Just for the time passing by.

I am astonished by the new evidences found every day TBH. After playing the EC I thought IT is dead. But seriously, it seems more alive than ever. Especially after I saw the new evidences which popped up shipped with the EC. I mean, why making the effort at all to put in new stuff which feeds the IT? Like Coats' corpse, "Serve us!" copyrighted by Harbinger, that eery sound when Shep wakes up, etc.

Teasing? Admitting? Who knows. BW keeps it alive, apperantly on purpose.


I think that they are going to release IT DLC.


yea


Although I think the picture will be more clear by the time all the DLCs are said and done, I'm more inclined to believe ME4 will be the reveal and resolve followed by ending the war.

However, the line from Harbinger at the end of Arrival still makes me question ME3 in its entirety on occasion; if it's the 'red herring'.

"You will be the first to witness the Arrival."

But I always come back to some of the events, and the upcoming Leviathan DLC... too much seems grounded in ME reality for it to all be a dream. It's really impossible to tell. Unless of course all the DLCs take place after Shep 'wakes up'.

In a game like this, ending as it does, closure really is impossible. At least for now.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 02 juillet 2012 - 01:07 .