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[TSA_383]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Femlob wrote...

Curiosity.

Well then, stick around. While Bioware made it clear that certain elements that were being interpretted as IT were, apparently, not sound, they also reinforced certain elements of it, why leaving some alone and even adding new mysteries.

As best I can tell, the "Extended Cut" didn't extend crap- that thing was ment to be in the package when the game went Gold.

Entirely possible.
Next time bioware wants a deadline extended, they'll point to the chaos surrounding ME3's release and say to EA "Look, if you want all that controversy again, fine. If not, give us the extra time we ask for..."


Even if the game had come out that way originally there'd be major speculation (due to the breath scene etc) - perhaps slightly different speculation, but yeah, I think EC should be looked at as ME3, and ME3 without it should be looked at as "beta" ME3

[Simon_Says]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Femlob wrote...

Curiosity.

Well then, stick around. While Bioware made it clear that certain elements that were being interpretted as IT were, apparently, not sound, they also reinforced certain elements of it, why leaving some alone and even adding new mysteries.

As best I can tell, the "Extended Cut" didn't extend crap- that thing was ment to be in the package when the game went Gold.

Also, there's actually a lot more than just speculating about Indoctrination. Some while back I think a few guys were talking about the possibility that the protoreaper from the end of ME2 actually being a 'tribrid' as one person called it of human, prothean, and reaper. That the genetic malleability the reapers found in humans (as Harbinger noted) was supposed to a kind of holy grail which meant that they could use humans to supplement the reaperization of other species, hence Harbinger's particular interest in humanity and why the Collectors were actually experimenting on their own. Didn't really go anywhere and it's really off the wall but interesting reading nonetheless.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 02 juillet 2012 - 01:12 .

[Either.Ardrey]

TSA_383 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Femlob wrote...

Curiosity.

Well then, stick around. While Bioware made it clear that certain elements that were being interpretted as IT were, apparently, not sound, they also reinforced certain elements of it, why leaving some alone and even adding new mysteries.

As best I can tell, the "Extended Cut" didn't extend crap- that thing was ment to be in the package when the game went Gold.

Entirely possible.
Next time bioware wants a deadline extended, they'll point to the chaos surrounding ME3's release and say to EA "Look, if you want all that controversy again, fine. If not, give us the extra time we ask for..."


Even if the game had come out that way originally there'd be major speculation (due to the breath scene etc) - perhaps slightly different speculation, but yeah, I think EC should be looked at as ME3, and ME3 without it should be looked at as "beta" ME3

There'd definitely still be speculation, but the anger would have definitely been less. If this had been in the original game, I would have been happily indoctrinated and never found this theory.

[D.Sharrah]

TSA_383 wrote...

Snip...

TSA: Oh wise audio guru...did you happen to see my question about the sound that goes along w/ the "jolt" that wakes Shep up?  Basically I was asking if there has ever (in any of the games) been a sound that is similar - I know a monumnetal task...but given that I was suggesting that the "jolt" may be similar to Saren's revival, I asked about at least one specific instance - during Arrival when Shep gets hit by the initial blast from Object Rho?

I am on the 360...so can't just look at the sound files myself.

[Andromidius]

Simon_Says wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Femlob wrote...

Curiosity.

Well then, stick around. While Bioware made it clear that certain elements that were being interpretted as IT were, apparently, not sound, they also reinforced certain elements of it, why leaving some alone and even adding new mysteries.

As best I can tell, the "Extended Cut" didn't extend crap- that thing was ment to be in the package when the game went Gold.

Also, there's actually a lot more than just speculating about Indoctrination. Some while back I think a few guys were talking about the possibility that the protoreaper from the end of ME2 actually being a 'tribrid' as one person called it of human, prothean, and reaper. That the genetic malleability the reapers found in humans (as Harbinger noted) was supposed to a kind of holy grail which meant that they could use humans to supplement the reaperization of other species, hence Harbinger's particular interest in humanity and why the Collectors were actually experimenting on their own. Didn't really go anywhere and it's really off the wall but interesting reading nonetheless.

Yeah, that was my idea.  And I agree, completely crazy and full of speculation.

But imagine if it was true!  Humanity would actually then be truely special, and it would explain the Reaper's special interest in them, and why they are focusing attacks on Earth despite it not being as vital to the security of the Galaxy as other targets (Citadel, Palavan, Thessia).

Wild speculations are fun, but this thread always was about hard analysis of the facts in the game.  Hense why talk died down pretty quickly.

[D.Sharrah]

Either.Ardrey wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Femlob wrote...

Curiosity.

Well then, stick around. While Bioware made it clear that certain elements that were being interpretted as IT were, apparently, not sound, they also reinforced certain elements of it, why leaving some alone and even adding new mysteries.

As best I can tell, the "Extended Cut" didn't extend crap- that thing was ment to be in the package when the game went Gold.

Entirely possible.
Next time bioware wants a deadline extended, they'll point to the chaos surrounding ME3's release and say to EA "Look, if you want all that controversy again, fine. If not, give us the extra time we ask for..."


Even if the game had come out that way originally there'd be major speculation (due to the breath scene etc) - perhaps slightly different speculation, but yeah, I think EC should be looked at as ME3, and ME3 without it should be looked at as "beta" ME3

There'd definitely still be speculation, but the anger would have definitely been less. If this had been in the original game, I would have been happily indoctrinated and never found this theory.

While I agree that the EC was better than the initial release endings...I still had a feeling...

http://ts4.mm.bing.n...&h=147&c=7&rs=1
Still think that in the long run, I would have come around to at least see IT as possible. 

[paxxton]

Does anyone remember on which page I posted the Reaper-induced Shepard's Dream Theory (RSDT)? I lost the link from my sig.

Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 01:28 .

[D.Sharrah]

Andromidius wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Femlob wrote...

Curiosity.

Well then, stick around. While Bioware made it clear that certain elements that were being interpretted as IT were, apparently, not sound, they also reinforced certain elements of it, why leaving some alone and even adding new mysteries.

As best I can tell, the "Extended Cut" didn't extend crap- that thing was ment to be in the package when the game went Gold.

Also, there's actually a lot more than just speculating about Indoctrination. Some while back I think a few guys were talking about the possibility that the protoreaper from the end of ME2 actually being a 'tribrid' as one person called it of human, prothean, and reaper. That the genetic malleability the reapers found in humans (as Harbinger noted) was supposed to a kind of holy grail which meant that they could use humans to supplement the reaperization of other species, hence Harbinger's particular interest in humanity and why the Collectors were actually experimenting on their own. Didn't really go anywhere and it's really off the wall but interesting reading nonetheless.

Yeah, that was my idea.  And I agree, completely crazy and full of speculation.

But imagine if it was true!  Humanity would actually then be truely special, and it would explain the Reaper's special interest in them, and why they are focusing attacks on Earth despite it not being as vital to the security of the Galaxy as other targets (Citadel, Palavan, Thessia).

Wild speculations are fun, but this thread always was about hard analysis of the facts in the game.  Hense why talk died down pretty quickly.

The collector's testing on themselves is a mystery that has so much potential...I remember there being quite alot of speculation about it in the ME 2 forums.  In some ways, I think that is one of the things that makes ME such a great universe...you are given just enough information to understand the basics and then can speculate in so many different directions - it is truly one of the most enjoyable parts of the series.  That being said, sometimes getting answers for the speculations is nice, too!

[Andromidius]

D.Sharrah wrote...

The collector's testing on themselves is a mystery that has so much potential...I remember there being quite alot of speculation about it in the ME 2 forums.  In some ways, I think that is one of the things that makes ME such a great universe...you are given just enough information to understand the basics and then can speculate in so many different directions - it is truly one of the most enjoyable parts of the series.  That being said, sometimes getting answers for the speculations is nice, too!

Definately.  Combined with a very detailed and well thought out Codex, we can speculate quite accurately based on known lore as well.  Mass Effect seems to be a game designed for speculations and mystery - its why I like it.

One question that should never be answered though - what the Reapers truely are, where they came from, what created them.  Answering those questions (especially with mundane answers) demystifies them as enemies, and makes them much less scary.

[TSA_383]

paxxton wrote...

Does anyone remember on which page I posted the Reaper-induced Shepard's Dream Theory (RSDT)? I lost the link from my sig.

I'll give you the link as long as you remove UNIT

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

Does anyone remember on which page I posted the Reaper-induced Shepard's Dream Theory (RSDT)? I lost the link from my sig.

Things move way to fast...half the time I don't remember the last page that I was looking at if I take a break...sorry.

[paxxton]

TSA_383 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Does anyone remember on which page I posted the Reaper-induced Shepard's Dream Theory (RSDT)? I lost the link from my sig.

I'll give you the link as long as you remove UNIT

I can't. This is an integral part of my ME3 theoretical portfolio.

[D.Sharrah]

Andromidius wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

The collector's testing on themselves is a mystery that has so much potential...I remember there being quite alot of speculation about it in the ME 2 forums.  In some ways, I think that is one of the things that makes ME such a great universe...you are given just enough information to understand the basics and then can speculate in so many different directions - it is truly one of the most enjoyable parts of the series.  That being said, sometimes getting answers for the speculations is nice, too!

Definately.  Combined with a very detailed and well thought out Codex, we can speculate quite accurately based on known lore as well.  Mass Effect seems to be a game designed for speculations and mystery - its why I like it.

One question that should never be answered though - what the Reapers truely are, where they came from, what created them.  Answering those questions (especially with mundane answers) demystifies them as enemies, and makes them much less scary.

Agreed.  Although I think teaser information would be ok...you know the information that just leaves you with more questions...probably why I liked Lost so much.

[Andromidius]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

The collector's testing on themselves is a mystery that has so much potential...I remember there being quite alot of speculation about it in the ME 2 forums.  In some ways, I think that is one of the things that makes ME such a great universe...you are given just enough information to understand the basics and then can speculate in so many different directions - it is truly one of the most enjoyable parts of the series.  That being said, sometimes getting answers for the speculations is nice, too!

Definately.  Combined with a very detailed and well thought out Codex, we can speculate quite accurately based on known lore as well.  Mass Effect seems to be a game designed for speculations and mystery - its why I like it.

One question that should never be answered though - what the Reapers truely are, where they came from, what created them.  Answering those questions (especially with mundane answers) demystifies them as enemies, and makes them much less scary.

Agreed.  Although I think teaser information would be ok...you know the information that just leaves you with more questions...probably why I liked Lost so much.

...until that last episode.  At least in my case.

Hints are great.  Leviathan should add so much information to what we know about the Reapers.  Just hope he's not an emo anti-hero type, I'd rather it was a cold and calculating monster in his own right which just so happens wants to end the other Reapers to secure its own freedom.  A potential future enemy, maybe.

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Does anyone remember on which page I posted the Reaper-induced Shepard's Dream Theory (RSDT)? I lost the link from my sig.

I'll give you the link as long as you remove UNIT

I can't. This is an integral part of my ME3 theoretical portfolio.

Although this does give me an idea...are the links sometihng that we can save to IT Group page?  If so, then we could just save the links for all the really relevant posts, threads, etc. there - so that if we need to kindly point someone in the right direction - pop over to the Group, grab the link and point away!

[Auralius Carolus]

Simon_Says wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Femlob wrote...

Curiosity.

Well then, stick around. While Bioware made it clear that certain elements that were being interpretted as IT were, apparently, not sound, they also reinforced certain elements of it, why leaving some alone and even adding new mysteries.

As best I can tell, the "Extended Cut" didn't extend crap- that thing was ment to be in the package when the game went Gold.

Also, there's actually a lot more than just speculating about Indoctrination. Some while back I think a few guys were talking about the possibility that the protoreaper from the end of ME2 actually being a 'tribrid' as one person called it of human, prothean, and reaper. That the genetic malleability the reapers found in humans (as Harbinger noted) was supposed to a kind of holy grail which meant that they could use humans to supplement the reaperization of other species, hence Harbinger's particular interest in humanity and why the Collectors were actually experimenting on their own. Didn't really go anywhere and it's really off the wall but interesting reading nonetheless.

This I find doubtful; I've always found the Reaper's "need" for biologicals as doubtful, due to their advanced technological state. If they can meld the chemistries of different beings, (Turian Dextro Amino + Krogan Levo Amino= Brute), create biometals to form Reapers and, (at least if IT is wrong), hold the tech to bend every single organism's and synthetic's composition in the galaxy through instantanious synthesis, then there is no "need" for us. They could likely bioengineer and farm what they needed.

When they say that they seek our ascendance, I can't help but think that they hold themselves as divine. And the way they apparently use and discard lesser species that get caught up in their cycles, seems telling; at least when compared with the Catalyst saying that they are "preserving" life.

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Does anyone remember on which page I posted the Reaper-induced Shepard's Dream Theory (RSDT)? I lost the link from my sig.

I'll give you the link as long as you remove UNIT

I can't. This is an integral part of my ME3 theoretical portfolio.

Although this does give me an idea...are the links sometihng that we can save to IT Group page?  If so, then we could just save the links for all the really relevant posts, threads, etc. there - so that if we need to kindly point someone in the right direction - pop over to the Group, grab the link and point away!

Yeah, but what good that would do if RSDT has been lost.

[v0rt3x22]

Hm further thoughts on the helmet vid: it could mean nothing. The reason that you can't make out the model used without fly cam makes it a realistic assumption that it's a re-use. But it's strange why such a prominent character. I would've freaked if they would've used shep's model ^^

Question still remains - why add this in at all?

[Simon_Says]

Andromidius wrote...

Definately.  Combined with a very detailed and well thought out Codex, we can speculate quite accurately based on known lore as well.  Mass Effect seems to be a game designed for speculations and mystery - its why I like it.

One question that should never be answered though - what the Reapers truely are, where they came from, what created them.  Answering those questions (especially with mundane answers) demystifies them as enemies, and makes them much less scary.

Well I think you can explain the reapers. But merely on an academic level, never an sympathetic one. The explanations themselves would have to be sufficiently massive and/or strange to defy full comprehension. Like, say, making the reapers an expression of a galactic superintelligence that we'll never be able to properly visualize let alone communicate with. Or making the reapers completely lack true self-awareness, and are Chinese Rooms instead of true intelligences.

Basically, I think it's entirely possible and allowed to give explanations that generate more awe and mystery than answers.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 02 juillet 2012 - 01:43 .

[D.Sharrah]

Andromidius wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

The collector's testing on themselves is a mystery that has so much potential...I remember there being quite alot of speculation about it in the ME 2 forums.  In some ways, I think that is one of the things that makes ME such a great universe...you are given just enough information to understand the basics and then can speculate in so many different directions - it is truly one of the most enjoyable parts of the series.  That being said, sometimes getting answers for the speculations is nice, too!

Definately.  Combined with a very detailed and well thought out Codex, we can speculate quite accurately based on known lore as well.  Mass Effect seems to be a game designed for speculations and mystery - its why I like it.

One question that should never be answered though - what the Reapers truely are, where they came from, what created them.  Answering those questions (especially with mundane answers) demystifies them as enemies, and makes them much less scary.

Agreed.  Although I think teaser information would be ok...you know the information that just leaves you with more questions...probably why I liked Lost so much.

...until that last episode.  At least in my case.

Hints are great.  Leviathan should add so much information to what we know about the Reapers.  Just hope he's not an emo anti-hero type, I'd rather it was a cold and calculating monster in his own right which just so happens wants to end the other Reapers to secure its own freedom.  A potential future enemy, maybe.

I actually kind of like the last episode...well at least parts of it...I particularily liked the closing eye scene...brought up a lot of questions of what was real, which fits in nicely with IT.

Leviathan has my interest.  I think one of the things that I most look forward to is having a chance to "talk" to Leviathan.

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Does anyone remember on which page I posted the Reaper-induced Shepard's Dream Theory (RSDT)? I lost the link from my sig.

I'll give you the link as long as you remove UNIT

I can't. This is an integral part of my ME3 theoretical portfolio.

Although this does give me an idea...are the links sometihng that we can save to IT Group page?  If so, then we could just save the links for all the really relevant posts, threads, etc. there - so that if we need to kindly point someone in the right direction - pop over to the Group, grab the link and point away!

Yeah, but what good that would do if RSDT has been lost.

Well...TSA did say that he (please forgive if my assumption is incorrect) had the link...if we could do what I suggested, then perhaps it wouldn't be lost...

[paxxton]

@TSA_383: Please, if you have that link post it here. It'll save me a lot of sifting through hundreds of pages of this thread.

Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 01:49 .

[D.Sharrah]

Does anyone think that any point we may hear anything from Bioware about the IT poll that Priestly created over at HTL? Like why the poll? Is it information that they plan to use? Etc.

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

@TSA_383: Please, if you have that link post it here. It'll save me a lot of sifting through hundreds of pages of this thread.

All you have to do is remove UNIT...is that price too high too pay?

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Does anyone think that any point we may hear anything from Bioware about the IT poll that Priestly created over at HTL? Like why the poll? Is it information that they plan to use? Etc.

We might at Comic Con in 2 weeks.

Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 01:51 .