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[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Does anyone think that any point we may hear anything from Bioware about the IT poll that Priestly created over at HTL? Like why the poll? Is it information that they plan to use? Etc.

We might at Comic Con in 2 weeks.

I was thinking this too...I just can't see why they created the poll?  My hope of course it to get a feeling of how the fans might react to them revealing IT...but I'm just not sure.

Edit:  2 weeks can't come fast enough...

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 02 juillet 2012 - 01:54 .

[v0rt3x22]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Does anyone think that any point we may hear anything from Bioware about the IT poll that Priestly created over at HTL? Like why the poll? Is it information that they plan to use? Etc.

I think that's twofold.

I'm in the minority who believes that IT was the plan all along and the reason they can't talk about it is because it would make the idea behind IT pointless. You are Shepard and you're not supposed to know you're being indoctrinated.

So if they do plan to address it - I don't think it will be next week at C-Con (even though I hope) - but they'll address it Ina DLC.

The reason I said its twofold is because that poll can mean two things:

A) either they want to see how many people actually got the clues in the game (if they planned this)

how popular the idea is - so that if they didn't plan IT they could easily turn it into canon.

Interestingly enough I made my own poll once on not how many people believed it but how many ppl liked the idea and a lot did

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 02 juillet 2012 - 01:58 .

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

@TSA_383: Please, if you have that link post it here. It'll save me a lot of sifting through hundreds of pages of this thread.

All you have to do is remove UNIT...is that price too high too pay?

Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 02:00 .

[Simon_Says]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

how popular the idea is - so that if they didn't plan IT they could easily turn it into canon.

Actually, has anyone addressed the legal problems that could arise if Bioware proclaimed IT canon? Because if they don't have proof that they came up with the idea beforehand, I imagine there could be kind of a big deal if they essentially crib other people's notes and pass it off as their own.

[Auralius Carolus]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Hm further thoughts on the helmet vid: it could mean nothing. The reason that you can't make out the model used without fly cam makes it a realistic assumption that it's a re-use. But it's strange why such a prominent character. I would've freaked if they would've used shep's model ^^

Question still remains - why add this in at all?

The Devs know, at least remotely, of our delving into the fine details. In the past we've, as well as people simply looking to mod, picked apart the files and details involved with the game as a whole.

That they would put it in is bizarre, at least. The only reasonable explanation I can think of is that all helmeted Alliance Soldiers use Coats's model; but that isn't likely valid, as there is no evidence of detachable helmets being in the game, (i.e., there are two models: unhelmeted and helmeted. A phase out is usually put in place to transition, as the helmet model would likely show seems and artifacts, as the inner model bleeds through during certain movements).

[Andromidius]

Simon_Says wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

how popular the idea is - so that if they didn't plan IT they could easily turn it into canon.

Actually, has anyone addressed the legal problems that could arise if Bioware proclaimed IT canon? Because if they don't have proof that they came up with the idea beforehand, I imagine there could be kind of a big deal if they essentially crib other people's notes and pass it off as their own.

If that was true most of Hollywood would get sued on a day by day basis...

[D.Sharrah]

Andromidius wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Femlob wrote...

Curiosity.

Well then, stick around. While Bioware made it clear that certain elements that were being interpretted as IT were, apparently, not sound, they also reinforced certain elements of it, why leaving some alone and even adding new mysteries.

As best I can tell, the "Extended Cut" didn't extend crap- that thing was ment to be in the package when the game went Gold.

Also, there's actually a lot more than just speculating about Indoctrination. Some while back I think a few guys were talking about the possibility that the protoreaper from the end of ME2 actually being a 'tribrid' as one person called it of human, prothean, and reaper. That the genetic malleability the reapers found in humans (as Harbinger noted) was supposed to a kind of holy grail which meant that they could use humans to supplement the reaperization of other species, hence Harbinger's particular interest in humanity and why the Collectors were actually experimenting on their own. Didn't really go anywhere and it's really off the wall but interesting reading nonetheless.

Yeah, that was my idea.  And I agree, completely crazy and full of speculation.

But imagine if it was true!  Humanity would actually then be truely special, and it would explain the Reaper's special interest in them, and why they are focusing attacks on Earth despite it not being as vital to the security of the Galaxy as other targets (Citadel, Palavan, Thessia).

Wild speculations are fun, but this thread always was about hard analysis of the facts in the game.  Hense why talk died down pretty quickly.

I found this from over a year ago...

http://social.biowar...3/index/7589882

Let me know what you think!

[v0rt3x22]

Simon_Says wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

how popular the idea is - so that if they didn't plan IT they could easily turn it into canon.

Actually, has anyone addressed the legal problems that could arise if Bioware proclaimed IT canon? Because if they don't have proof that they came up with the idea beforehand, I imagine there could be kind of a big deal if they essentially crib other people's notes and pass it off as their own.

I think there has been problems with that before. I did read about some court cases a while back about people sueing because of plagerism.

Some author did the same with AC3 recently

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

@TSA_383: Please, if you have that link post it here. It'll save me a lot of sifting through hundreds of pages of this thread.

All you have to do is remove UNIT...is that price too high too pay?

Too funny....

[Dwailing]

My guess is that they won't reveal IT at SDCC, but that they will talk about the leaked Earth MP pack, and the Leviathan pack, maybe with some wink wink, nudge nudge kind of stuff for IT (It would be really funny if ANOTHER BW rep was the one who brought up IT like at PAX.). I'm also guessing that the Leviathan pack will end up containing some kind of clue, something to wet our appetites and keep us speculating (Wasn't there something in the dialogue that hinted that Shep's crew was concerned that he might be indoctrinated out of it?).

[Auralius Carolus]

Simon_Says wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

how popular the idea is - so that if they didn't plan IT they could easily turn it into canon.

Actually, has anyone addressed the legal problems that could arise if Bioware proclaimed IT canon? Because if they don't have proof that they came up with the idea beforehand, I imagine there could be kind of a big deal if they essentially crib other people's notes and pass it off as their own.

I would have to go back over the Forum and Game EULA, but I don't think plagiarism would be a problem. If nothing else, the mechanism of indoctrination would fall as a minor detail in EA's rights to the game, intellectual property and possibly some forms of trade dress.

For us to suggest that they use something, that is theirs, a certain way or speculate on it would likely be held as void, as without what they own, we could not suggest or speculate.

[D.Sharrah]

Simon_Says wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

how popular the idea is - so that if they didn't plan IT they could easily turn it into canon.

Actually, has anyone addressed the legal problems that could arise if Bioware proclaimed IT canon? Because if they don't have proof that they came up with the idea beforehand, I imagine there could be kind of a big deal if they essentially crib other people's notes and pass it off as their own.

Well...there is in the Final Hours App...which states that they working on including IT...

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 02 juillet 2012 - 02:07 .

[Andromidius]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Let me know what you think!

I considered something similar as well, though Harbinger throws a spanner in the machine.  So unless Harbinger was rogue too, they'd be under Reaper control.

Always thought it would be fun if it got subverted and the Collectors were 'free' and had captured a Reaper to use in their experiments.  Or if when Harbinger released control, the Collectors would switch sides (or at least we could have a conversation with the dying General and find out more about what happened).

But alas...they were pawns.

[Vaya]

Simon_Says wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

how popular the idea is - so that if they didn't plan IT they could easily turn it into canon.

Actually, has anyone addressed the legal problems that could arise if Bioware proclaimed IT canon? Because if they don't have proof that they came up with the idea beforehand, I imagine there could be kind of a big deal if they essentially crib other people's notes and pass it off as their own.

Even if IT wasn't pulled from thier own work, Bioware has always used the boards for ideas, and has said as much.


And just a friendly reminder to everyone, we had a mod stop by earlier today to tell us the quote pyramids were getting out of hand, so please try to trim them.

[D.Sharrah]

Dwailing wrote...

My guess is that they won't reveal IT at SDCC, but that they will talk about the leaked Earth MP pack, and the Leviathan pack, maybe with some wink wink, nudge nudge kind of stuff for IT (It would be really funny if ANOTHER BW rep was the one who brought up IT like at PAX.). I'm also guessing that the Leviathan pack will end up containing some kind of clue, something to wet our appetites and keep us speculating (Wasn't there something in the dialogue that hinted that Shep's crew was concerned that he might be indoctrinated out of it?).

There are a couple of quotes...one from Liara that says something like, "I don't want you to talk to that tentacled thing again, the only tentacles that I want in your head are mine"...or something like that.

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Does anyone think that any point we may hear anything from Bioware about the IT poll that Priestly created over at HTL? Like why the poll? Is it information that they plan to use? Etc.

We might at Comic Con in 2 weeks.

I was thinking this too...I just can't see why they created the poll?  My hope of course it to get a feeling of how the fans might react to them revealing IT...but I'm just not sure.

Edit:  2 weeks can't come fast enough...

It is possible they didn't plan on IT and fans deprived of a good ending (no offense intended) started to see patterns in things which is completely natural and desired for human brains. Now BioWare sees the enormous potential in this theory for the continuation of the story and tries to lay the groundwork for it in a future game. It is also possible that the original inferior-quality ending was intended to stimulate fan creativity to help BioWare shape the future of the series.

Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 02:16 .

[Unschuld]

D.Sharrah wrote...

There are a couple of quotes...one from Liara that says something like, "I don't want you to talk to that tentacled thing again, the only tentacles that I want in your head are mine"...or something like that.

Further solidifying Liara as a creepy person...

[Dwailing]

Vaya wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

how popular the idea is - so that if they didn't plan IT they could easily turn it into canon.

Actually, has anyone addressed the legal problems that could arise if Bioware proclaimed IT canon? Because if they don't have proof that they came up with the idea beforehand, I imagine there could be kind of a big deal if they essentially crib other people's notes and pass it off as their own.

Even if IT wasn't pulled from thier own work, Bioware has always used the boards for ideas, and has said as much.


And just a friendly reminder to everyone, we had a mod stop by earlier today to tell us the quote pyramids were getting out of hand, so please try to trim them.

I still feel that IT was BW's plan from the beginning.  I highly doubt that they would come up with something as thematically revolting as Synthesis (Control is a whole other matter.).  Also, they've talked SO MUCH about not wanting to compromise their "artistic integrity" by changing the ending that, unless they planned IT from the beginning, I doubt they would use it.  So, for me anyway, if they use IT, that's all the evidence that I need to know that they planned it from the beginning, after everything they've said about refusing to compromise their "artistic integrity".

[v0rt3x22]

Dwailing wrote...

My guess is that they won't reveal IT at SDCC, but that they will talk about the leaked Earth MP pack, and the Leviathan pack, maybe with some wink wink, nudge nudge kind of stuff for IT (It would be really funny if ANOTHER BW rep was the one who brought up IT like at PAX.). I'm also guessing that the Leviathan pack will end up containing some kind of clue, something to wet our appetites and keep us speculating (Wasn't there something in the dialogue that hinted that Shep's crew was concerned that he might be indoctrinated out of it?).

Seriously? Dialogue by the crew? Never heard of this.

I did go through some interesting ME2 stuff where shep says about some other ppl: "they were hearing things, seeing things. They were being indoctrinated."

But yea even if IT isn't true - I think BW wants to uphold the fiction that it could be true. 

I did play through the endings again while looking at it in a literal form - and they do seem to work both ways.
Just that in both viewpoints there are open questions which can only really be explained through "IT"

[D.Sharrah]

Andromidius wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Let me know what you think!

I considered something similar as well, though Harbinger throws a spanner in the machine.  So unless Harbinger was rogue too, they'd be under Reaper control.

Always thought it would be fun if it got subverted and the Collectors were 'free' and had captured a Reaper to use in their experiments.  Or if when Harbinger released control, the Collectors would switch sides (or at least we could have a conversation with the dying General and find out more about what happened).

But alas...they were pawns.

Yeah...it was a theory with holes to put it kindly.  But I felt at the time it was a direction that we could speculate on, given the information that we had...its a shame, it would have made them so much more interesting if there was still a part of the "Protheans" beating against the glass...

[v0rt3x22]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

how popular the idea is - so that if they didn't plan IT they could easily turn it into canon.

Actually, has anyone addressed the legal problems that could arise if Bioware proclaimed IT canon? Because if they don't have proof that they came up with the idea beforehand, I imagine there could be kind of a big deal if they essentially crib other people's notes and pass it off as their own.

Well...there is in the Final Hours App...which states that they working on including IT...

What?? Can you elaborate?

[D.Sharrah]

Unschuld wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

There are a couple of quotes...one from Liara that says something like, "I don't want you to talk to that tentacled thing again, the only tentacles that I want in your head are mine"...or something like that.

Further solidifying Liara as a creepy person...

That's only if you don't want her tentacles in your mind.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 02 juillet 2012 - 02:15 .

[Dwailing]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

My guess is that they won't reveal IT at SDCC, but that they will talk about the leaked Earth MP pack, and the Leviathan pack, maybe with some wink wink, nudge nudge kind of stuff for IT (It would be really funny if ANOTHER BW rep was the one who brought up IT like at PAX.). I'm also guessing that the Leviathan pack will end up containing some kind of clue, something to wet our appetites and keep us speculating (Wasn't there something in the dialogue that hinted that Shep's crew was concerned that he might be indoctrinated out of it?).

Seriously? Dialogue by the crew? Never heard of this.

I did go through some interesting ME2 stuff where shep says about some other ppl: "they were hearing things, seeing things. They were being indoctrinated."

But yea even if IT isn't true - I think BW wants to uphold the fiction that it could be true. 

I did play through the endings again while looking at it in a literal form - and they do seem to work both ways.
Just that in both viewpoints there are open questions which can only really be explained through "IT"

For info on the Leviathan script, see this link: http://social.biowar...ndex/12777408/1 

For my opinion on the literal endings, see this video:  

I'd never actually use those words (Outside of my thoughts.), but that pretty much summarizes my feelings on the endings.  (Also, see this video: 
 )

[UrgedDuke]

well we still haven't seen what gamble was talking about when he said that we would hold onto ME3 forever if we only knew what BW was planning. He could have been blowing smoke but it gives me some hope yet for IT

[Unschuld]

Dwailing wrote...

....something to wet our appetites and keep us speculating (Wasn't there something in the dialogue that hinted that Shep's crew was concerned that he might be indoctrinated out of it?).

Whet.