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[Leonia]

@CoolioThane - Good stuff but the bar codes were SO long ago and it's hard to imagine nothing has deviated from the original plan, plus it would be hard for new IT-theorists to jump in on the action because the information is so obscure. But that doesn't mean it isn't still fun to think about, especially that red herring.

You reminded me again of the possibility of Reaper agents in London, but maybe we're looking at that wrong, isn't there a codex entry some where about Cerberus infiltrating London? That would have been long before the invasion started, they would have known something was going to go down there eventually, maybe they set a contigency plan in place in the event that Shepard couldn't be stopped. The Reapers weren't the only ones using Indoctrination. It never felt like the Cerberus plot was fully wrapped up, even with the death of the Illusive Man (if indeed that actually happened).

Just throwing some ideas out there.

[v0rt3x22]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Any news?

Mexico has a new president 
Egypt too 

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 02 juillet 2012 - 12:44 .

[Rifneno]

Re: Original ending and its incredible terribleness.

I think the problem was that they wanted it to seem surreal and "wrong" so that it would set off some alarm bells with people. But they gave us too much credit. Instead of investigating and using our heads, we did the internet equivalent of a riot.
Basically they were aiming for "kind of believable but something's not right..." and instead they overshot and landed in "that made less sense than the last Die Hard movie."

[DJBare]

I have a question, it's possibly a game mechanic but just want to check something, every time I head up the ramp to TIM's chamber one of my squad hangs back and it appears it's always EDI, I say "appears" because my memory is not that good, is it always EDI?

[MaximizedAction]

Rifneno wrote...

Re: Original ending and its incredible terribleness.

I think the problem was that they wanted it to seem surreal and "wrong" so that it would set off some alarm bells with people. But they gave us too much credit. Instead of investigating and using our heads, we did the internet equivalent of a riot.
Basically they were aiming for "kind of believable but something's not right..." and instead they overshot and landed in "that made less sense than the last Die Hard movie."

Well, why it didn't occur to me to look twice before jumping to conclusions, was the general marketing theme of ME3. I wasn't expecting a new KOTOR, but rather a CoD-ized Mass Effect game with more FPS elements than RPG elements. And who's to blame me with all these generic FPS games everywhere, especially since Bioware is now with EA.

Especially that "Now is the best time to join the franchise" line lowered my expectations extremely.

So I was expecting a Gears of War with a dialog wheel and cool story with a bittersweet ending for fans who also played the previous games.
I also expected that because quite frankly, I was a bit disappointed of ME2 as it did not really have the elements that made me fall in love with ME. Yes, it had a great story and great characters, but I missed that defining piece of science fiction: space.

So I thought: what could ME3 offer more than shooting aliens/zombies, talking to characters. Thus, I was mostly looking forward to the ending and where the series would go from that.

Welp...I came for the ending and stayed for the mindf*ck that I'm so desperately waiting for to finally be resolved.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 02 juillet 2012 - 01:54 .

[demersel]

Guys... some thouths. Even with the EC. We have not really FOUGHT the reapers yet. We have not really FOUGHT the cerberus yet. (We kinda made the illusive man to shoot himself in a very dream-like sequence).... We have not yet no the fate of the people on the citadel, and the purpose of the whole citadel defence force.
Thinking about Priority: Earth - we really didn't do anything in that mission. Sure not taken earth back in any way.
There are art works of the cidatel interworks in the CE artbook, which we have not really seen yet in the game. (one way or another - everything that's there except this artwork is in the game one way or another)
In the Artwork subsection of the images section on the site there are artworks added not long before the launch of the EC depicting reapers wreckong havok on the citadel, and showing new parts of earth under reaper control.

EC has not really added anithing much, beyond showing us some slides depicting exactly the things fans were asking for and in the exact way we were speculating about what might happen after.

The plotholes adressed were lazy as hell - (note, the plotholes, NOT IT clues)
- How did the crew get on board of the normandy? It's not as if the normandy could land in the middle of beam charge and pick up only your two party members, and then fly away safely, right before you'll get script-hit by the beam...oh, wait!
- Normandy escape scene - why was joker running away? And incidentally how would he even have time? He would have had to leave the battlefield long before the crucible explodes - and that would be treason, so joker is a coward and a trator?! NO! Hackett told him to! And still he wouldn't leave! And then Garrus told him to! In his soft voice! And then the whole armada jumps away leaving only the reapers to blankly stare at the impending doom. Read it again and tell me that doesn't sound like a bad joke, or that it doesn't have a mocking feel to it.

[paxxton]

OK, I'm going to search for my lost theory (Reaper-induced Shepard's Dream Theory). Wish me luck!

EDIT: The theory has been found!

Reaper-induced Shepard's Dream Theory (RSDT)
http://social.biowar...32/827#12611367

Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 02:23 .

[MaximizedAction]

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12758618#12758842 <_<

Imo, saying goodby in the heat of the moment is maybe fine for Shepard, but not for the player! Neither is seeing Shepard's LI being sad and holding the nameplate.
Mainly, because the player will not be sad for Shepard's death.
I thought Shepard is not supposed to be a character of his own, but the player's avatar, a bridge for the player into the game. More and more throughout the game, that bridge is moved to the point where it's not there anymore. And while the other characters whept for Shepard, I did not. And it felt awkwardly cheesy...one does not wheep for himself, except if one's an egomaniac (me thinks).

Me watching my friends being sad for my death does make me sad for only one reason: that my friends are sad; to the point where I just want to have that moment to comfort them or even come back to be again with them.

That is the only sensible intention I can accept for creating these as the final scenes we see for the squad. Every other reason, including the ones written down in the dev-post above, are signs of poor understanding of story writing; but this is not the position we have in this thread.

EDIT: Or the third possibility is of course, neither of it is real.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 02 juillet 2012 - 02:19 .

[EpyonX3]

Hey about the Normandy being on Earth for the pick up. I think a lot of us, including myself up until this point, are forgetting that when Harbinger decided to grace the Earth with his presence, Hackett order any available ships to delay the reapers leaving the battle to give Hammer time. This explains why the Normandy broke off from Sword. Again, joker heard the order and followed it.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Hey about the Normandy being on Earth for the pick up. I think a lot of us, including myself up until this point, are forgetting that when Harbinger decided to grace the Earth with his presence, Hackett order any available ships to delay the reapers leaving the battle to give Hammer time. This explains why the Normandy broke off from Sword. Again, joker heard the order and followed it.

It doesn't seem that the Normandy was in the vicinity.

Static caused by distance. Interrupted communication. "We" implies Sword. "Heavy losses" implies the Normandy crewmembers are themselves in trouble.

Btw, do you still think Shepard was on the Crucible?

Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 02:41 .

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Hey about the Normandy being on Earth for the pick up. I think a lot of us, including myself up until this point, are forgetting that when Harbinger decided to grace the Earth with his presence, Hackett order any available ships to delay the reapers leaving the battle to give Hammer time. This explains why the Normandy broke off from Sword. Again, joker heard the order and followed it.

It doesn't seem that the Normandy was in the vicinity.

Static caused by distance. Interrupted communication. "We" implies Sword. "Heavy losses" implies the Normandy crewmembers are themselves in trouble.

Btw, do you still think Shepard was on the Crucible?

"We're taking heavy losses up here, Commander" is the line. I think he's refering to the force that went to delay the reapers. The interference is from the beam, which is another reason why the Normandy didn't shoot at Harbinger, it couldn't target him.

Well I revised my position a while ago. That thread provided some good info. I now believe, before and after EC,  that Shepard has his conversation with the Catalyst on the Citadel, but makes his choice on the Crucible via the ramps.

[EpyonX3]

Anybody know if in the ME universe, can a ship enter FTL while inside the atmosphere? I don't mean to travel from city to city but from the surface to space.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Hey about the Normandy being on Earth for the pick up. I think a lot of us, including myself up until this point, are forgetting that when Harbinger decided to grace the Earth with his presence, Hackett order any available ships to delay the reapers leaving the battle to give Hammer time. This explains why the Normandy broke off from Sword. Again, joker heard the order and followed it.

It doesn't seem that the Normandy was in the vicinity.

Static caused by distance. Interrupted communication. "We" implies Sword. "Heavy losses" implies the Normandy crewmembers are themselves in trouble.

Btw, do you still think Shepard was on the Crucible?

"We're taking heavy losses up here, Commander" is the line. I think he's refering to the force that went to delay the reapers. The interference is from the beam, which is another reason why the Normandy didn't shoot at Harbinger, it couldn't target him.

Well I revised my position a while ago. That thread provided some good info. I now believe, before and after EC,  that Shepard has his conversation with the Catalyst on the Citadel, but makes his choice on the Crucible via the ramps.

Anyway, the Normandy is in trouble and it's improbable they would come for an evac in a blink of an eye.

Can you see the Crucible's arms here? The device is above where Shepard stands.

Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 02:46 .

[UltimateTobi]

Hey guys, I am back!
So, did anyone check if (seemingly) Coats' body vanishes with "that sound" or just when you gain control over Shepard? I don't know why, but it still bothers me.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anybody know if in the ME universe, can a ship enter FTL while inside the atmosphere? I don't mean to travel from city to city but from the surface to space.

Doubtful, it would utterly destroy the surroundings.

[GethPrimeMKII]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anybody know if in the ME universe, can a ship enter FTL while inside the atmosphere? I don't mean to travel from city to city but from the surface to space.

Doubtful, it would utterly destroy the surroundings.

Even if they could, it'd e unecessary. They can travel around a planet fast enough without it.

[Salient Archer]

Hey everyone, I'm still feeling pretty meh about the whole EC. It actually hasn't addressed my greatest issue with the ending; Shepard's breath scene. This scene is still utterly ****ing with my mind and it's now more savage than ever.

Not only does the existence of this scene defy the laws of physics, thermodynamics, biology, kinetics and basic reality, but it's still not established where Shepard actually is. The only realistic answer is that the ending was a Hallucination or some events took place off camera that aren't accounted for... So if someone can give me a believable answer that doesn't require an off camera explanation but also includes all the previously mentioned fundamentals, I'd be incredibly surprised.

[paxxton]

Salient Archer wrote...

Hey everyone, I'm still feeling pretty meh about the whole EC. It actually hasn't addressed my greatest issue with the ending; Shepard's breath scene. This scene is still utterly ****ing with my mind and it's now more savage than ever.

Not only does the existence of this scene defy the laws of physics, thermodynamics, biology, kinetics and basic reality, but it's still not established where Shepard actually is. The only realistic answer is that the ending was a Hallucination or some events took place off camera that aren't accounted for... So if someone can give me a believable answer that doesn't require an off camera explanation but also includes all the previously mentioned fundamentals, I'd be incredibly surprised.

The Citadel still explodes with Shepard on-board. And then he's alive in the breath scene. But what if that's not Shepard.

[UltimateTobi]

paxxton wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Hey everyone, I'm still feeling pretty meh about the whole EC. It actually hasn't addressed my greatest issue with the ending; Shepard's breath scene. This scene is still utterly ****ing with my mind and it's now more savage than ever.

Not only does the existence of this scene defy the laws of physics, thermodynamics, biology, kinetics and basic reality, but it's still not established where Shepard actually is. The only realistic answer is that the ending was a Hallucination or some events took place off camera that aren't accounted for... So if someone can give me a believable answer that doesn't require an off camera explanation but also includes all the previously mentioned fundamentals, I'd be incredibly surprised.

The Citadel still explodes with Shepard on-board. And then he's alive in the breath scene. But what if that's not Shepard.

And the Catalyst clearly stated that Shepard will die, as he's partly synthetic too.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Salient Archer wrote...

Hey everyone, I'm still feeling pretty meh about the whole EC. It actually hasn't addressed my greatest issue with the ending; Shepard's breath scene. This scene is still utterly ****ing with my mind and it's now more savage than ever.

Not only does the existence of this scene defy the laws of physics, thermodynamics, biology, kinetics and basic reality, but it's still not established where Shepard actually is. The only realistic answer is that the ending was a Hallucination or some events took place off camera that aren't accounted for... So if someone can give me a believable answer that doesn't require an off camera explanation but also includes all the previously mentioned fundamentals, I'd be incredibly surprised.

The only logical place Shepard can be in the breathe scene is Earth. There is nothing left of the Citadel core, Shepards exact location, when it explodes. The fact that they offered zero clarification on this for the literalists, unlike the Normandy pick up scene, reaffirms IT as a very strong possibility.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

paxxton wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Hey everyone, I'm still feeling pretty meh about the whole EC. It actually hasn't addressed my greatest issue with the ending; Shepard's breath scene. This scene is still utterly ****ing with my mind and it's now more savage than ever.

Not only does the existence of this scene defy the laws of physics, thermodynamics, biology, kinetics and basic reality, but it's still not established where Shepard actually is. The only realistic answer is that the ending was a Hallucination or some events took place off camera that aren't accounted for... So if someone can give me a believable answer that doesn't require an off camera explanation but also includes all the previously mentioned fundamentals, I'd be incredibly surprised.

The Citadel still explodes with Shepard on-board. And then he's alive in the breath scene. But what if that's not Shepard.

How can it not be Shepard? We see the N7 tags on the body and James Vega has yet to actually become a formal part of the N7 program...

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 02 juillet 2012 - 03:16 .

[Leonia]

And a FemShep definitely sounds female when she takes a breath. They also added the clue with the memorial board and the LI not putting Shepard's name up (which has been confirmed as being intentional) so it's definitely Shepard breathing in that scene but that's all we can know for now.

[UltimateTobi]

And the Catalyst saying that s/he WILL die! Outright lying here. (Sorry for repeating myself.)

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 02 juillet 2012 - 03:18 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

UltimateTobi wrote...

And the Catalyst saying that s/he WILL die! Outright lying here. (Sorry for repeating myself.)

Yeah, but then again I dont get how anyone can trust the Catalyst...he is essentially a Reaper and offers no reason to trust him at all...

[paxxton]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Hey everyone, I'm still feeling pretty meh about the whole EC. It actually hasn't addressed my greatest issue with the ending; Shepard's breath scene. This scene is still utterly ****ing with my mind and it's now more savage than ever.

Not only does the existence of this scene defy the laws of physics, thermodynamics, biology, kinetics and basic reality, but it's still not established where Shepard actually is. The only realistic answer is that the ending was a Hallucination or some events took place off camera that aren't accounted for... So if someone can give me a believable answer that doesn't require an off camera explanation but also includes all the previously mentioned fundamentals, I'd be incredibly surprised.

The Citadel still explodes with Shepard on-board. And then he's alive in the breath scene. But what if that's not Shepard.

How can it not be Shepard? We see the N7 tags on the body and James Vega has yet to actually become a formal part of the N7 program...

From what we suspect it's Shepard but what if it's his successor for Mass Effect 4 (a new protagonist that happens to be N7, was in London and regained conciousness after being knocked out by Harbinger).

Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 03:24 .