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[UltimateTobi]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

And the Catalyst saying that s/he WILL die! Outright lying here. (Sorry for repeating myself.)

Yeah, but then again I dont get how anyone can trust the Catalyst...he is essentially a Reaper and offers no reason to trust him at all...

Yeah, but that's as a definitive evidence as it can be. For every single choice he says that Shep will die. Just for Destroy it isn't true.
If taken literally, there's no possibility for Shepard surviving Destroy because:
A) blowing up in the centre of the Citadel
Catalyst stating that Shep will die because he's partly synthetic

So, for me that's the strongest of all evidences. (Wasn't it even one of the first? ^^)

[clennon8]

Good grief. It's Shepard, all right? It's even male or female, depending.

[paxxton]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

And the Catalyst saying that s/he WILL die! Outright lying here. (Sorry for repeating myself.)

Yeah, but then again I dont get how anyone can trust the Catalyst...he is essentially a Reaper and offers no reason to trust him at all...

Maybe because he talks normally, without sounding excessively superior, and explains his reasoning.

[paxxton]

Page 1492 - Columbus discovers America!

Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 03:55 .

[Salient Archer]

1) It clearly is Shepard (Considering it is clearly Female when you're Femshep and Male when it's Maleshep) so the idea of it not being Shepard is just silly and makes little to absoloutly no sense.

2) We have no reason to trust the Catalyst: Considering we have all the in-game evidence we need provided in these quotes alone. Which proves he either contradicts himself (hence fallible), lying (deceitful) a rogue AI that turned on his own creators (insane, fallible, a lier and terrifying) or doesn't exist (a deception).

3) All empirical evidence proves that the breath scene and the devastation of the citadel can't both exist in the same reality, so one of them has to be fake.

Considering the breath scene seems far more rooted in reality than the events that unfold involving the citadel, I'm far more inclined to believe that it all took place in Shepard's head. This is not only thematical to the series but we've already experienced Shepard having dreams/hallucinations and interacting in virtual realitys. Not only this but we (the player) have been in control of Shepard during these alternate reality events.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 02 juillet 2012 - 03:34 .

[MaximizedAction]

EDIT stupid comment is stupid, move on, please.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 02 juillet 2012 - 03:39 .

[Salient Archer]

MaximizedAction wrote...

EDIT stupid comment is stupid, move on, please.

Wait!! maybe it's not a stupid comment... We can't use biotics after Shepard gets hit by the beam, right? and Shep can't use them in the dreams. Now, I know biotics require a lot of concentration to use, and we could assume this is why we can't use them. But this is another connection to his previous dreams, another sign that he lacks total control. 

[Dwailing]

Well, I just finished Max Payne 2 on the PS2 (No, those weren't typos. Keelah, the frame rate on that thing is horrible.) so I'm in a good mood. Tell me you all have something to make my good mood even better.

[paxxton]

Salient Archer wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

EDIT stupid comment is stupid, move on, please.

Wait!! maybe it's not a stupid comment... We can't use biotics after Shepard gets hit by the beam, right? and Shep can't use them in the dreams. Now, I know biotics require a lot of concentration to use, and we could assume this is why we can't use them. But this is another connection to his previous dreams, another sign that he lacks total control. 

While dreaming concentration is low.

[MaximizedAction]

Salient Archer wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

EDIT stupid comment is stupid, move on, please.

Wait!! maybe it's not a stupid comment... We can't use biotics after Shepard gets hit by the beam, right? and Shep can't use them in the dreams. Now, I know biotics require a lot of concentration to use, and we could assume this is why we can't use them. But this is another connection to his previous dreams, another sign that he lacks total control. 

Well, yeah, but we also can't use biotics when we are in weapons-holstered mode. In the dreams, we are in sort of a weapons-holstered mode. After getting shot by Harby, we DO have a weapon, but due to the last sentance, it's not really a connection.

The only connection could be drawn, if after the squad is shot down by Harby and Shep's weapons are gone, we wouldn't be able to use biotics, but that is a cutscene, so no way of finding that out.

But I agree that losing the ability for biotics could be connected to having a hard time concentrating and losing control.

[XanderLav]

I don't know if it was addressed before, well actually I know it was. Anyway my point is why in the beginning of the game, kid doesn't make any noise in the vent when he disappears. I just started new playthrough and I know that lazy developers is not the answer, because they have vent sounds. Specifically the kid himself does make quite a lot of "vent" noise. And it attracts Shepard's attention.
Also anybody else thinks that the park you see kid playing with his toy, has textures from so called dream foliage?

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

EDIT stupid comment is stupid, move on, please.

Wait!! maybe it's not a stupid comment... We can't use biotics after Shepard gets hit by the beam, right? and Shep can't use them in the dreams. Now, I know biotics require a lot of concentration to use, and we could assume this is why we can't use them. But this is another connection to his previous dreams, another sign that he lacks total control. 

While dreaming concentration is low.

And while I dream, I or other persons in my dreams don't have long conversations, but rather short, singular, sentences. I seems to me, that the epilogue suffers the same thing. But maybe this is a design choice, as it would be otherwise difficult to follow the narrators.
Anyhow, that seemed weird to me...

[Rifneno]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anybody know if in the ME universe, can a ship enter FTL while inside the atmosphere? I don't mean to travel from city to city but from the surface to space.

Even if they could, they wouldn't.  It would be suicide.  At that speed any collision with anything would be complete destruction.  And I don't mean anything substancial, I mean anything.  There was mention of a disaster on CDN one time where a ship hit a screw, just a plain old metal screw, at FTL.  No survivors.

[Salient Archer]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

EDIT stupid comment is stupid, move on, please.

Wait!! maybe it's not a stupid comment... We can't use biotics after Shepard gets hit by the beam, right? and Shep can't use them in the dreams. Now, I know biotics require a lot of concentration to use, and we could assume this is why we can't use them. But this is another connection to his previous dreams, another sign that he lacks total control. 

Well, yeah, but we also can't use biotics when we are in weapons-holstered mode. In the dreams, we are in sort of a weapons-holstered mode. After getting shot by Harby, we DO have a weapon, but due to the last sentance, it's not really a connection.

The only connection could be drawn, if after the squad is shot down by Harby and Shep's weapons are gone, we wouldn't be able to use biotics, but that is a cutscene, so no way of finding that out.

But I agree that losing the ability for biotics could be connected to having a hard time concentrating and losing control.

Look, it's probably nothing more than just a game mechanic and I know it's borderline clutching at straws here: but if my Shep was totally in control and was being attacked by three husks and a marauder while near death, he'd summon whatever powers he had left.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Id like a literalist's take on this question: Why does the catalyst, a several billion year old AI, come in the form of a child seen only by Shepard?

If the events inside the citadel were real, there would be absolutely no reason for the AI to appear as that child. The AI could have appeared in any form and still convinced Shepard it was an AI. After all, whose to say what this AI looks like?

The fact that this AI, who claims to be the collective intelligence of the reapers, appears as a boy Shepard saw, should raise a lot of suspicion. It's proof that the reapers are in Shepard's head, screwing with her thoughts.

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anybody know if in the ME universe, can a ship enter FTL while inside the atmosphere? I don't mean to travel from city to city but from the surface to space.

Even if they could, they wouldn't.  It would be suicide.  At that speed any collision with anything would be complete destruction.  And I don't mean anything substancial, I mean anything.  There was mention of a disaster on CDN one time where a ship hit a screw, just a plain old metal screw, at FTL.  No survivors.

Well, actually when I think about it. Eezo decreases mass significantly so the collision wouldn't be as deadly.

Nothing can travel faster than light in RL, I'm afraid. At least not yet.

Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 04:02 .

[Rifneno]

paxxton wrote...
Well, actually when I think about it. Eezo decreases mass significantly so the collision wouldn't be as deadly.

Nothing can travel faster than light in RL, I'm afraid. At least not yet.

Apparently ME's writers disagree since they wrote that screw story (BTW I have dibs on "screw you" puns).

[Dwailing]

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anybody know if in the ME universe, can a ship enter FTL while inside the atmosphere? I don't mean to travel from city to city but from the surface to space.

Even if they could, they wouldn't.  It would be suicide.  At that speed any collision with anything would be complete destruction.  And I don't mean anything substancial, I mean anything.  There was mention of a disaster on CDN one time where a ship hit a screw, just a plain old metal screw, at FTL.  No survivors.

Well, actually when I think about it. Eezo decreases mass significantly so the collision wouldn't be as deadly.

Nothing can travel faster than light in RL, I'm afraid. At least not yet.

The problem with FTL in ME is not that the method they use is impossible, it's that eezo doesn't exist (Or we haven't discovered it. ).  If eezo existed, I do believe that most of the stuff in ME would be possible.

[EpyonX3]

Rifneno wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anybody know if in the ME universe, can a ship enter FTL while inside the atmosphere? I don't mean to travel from city to city but from the surface to space.

Even if they could, they wouldn't.  It would be suicide.  At that speed any collision with anything would be complete destruction.  And I don't mean anything substancial, I mean anything.  There was mention of a disaster on CDN one time where a ship hit a screw, just a plain old metal screw, at FTL.  No survivors.

Good Gravy!

[monrapias]

Are you talking about if the breathing guy is shepard or not?


The bioware people have tweeted and confirmed that is shepard.

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Well, actually when I think about it. Eezo decreases mass significantly so the collision wouldn't be as deadly.

Nothing can travel faster than light in RL, I'm afraid. At least not yet.

Apparently ME's writers disagree since they wrote that screw story (BTW I have dibs on "screw you" puns).

It's not a matter of opinion. Relativity Theory doesn't allow it. And scientists haven't come up with any way to overcome it yet.

Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 04:08 .

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anybody know if in the ME universe, can a ship enter FTL while inside the atmosphere? I don't mean to travel from city to city but from the surface to space.

Even if they could, they wouldn't.  It would be suicide.  At that speed any collision with anything would be complete destruction.  And I don't mean anything substancial, I mean anything.  There was mention of a disaster on CDN one time where a ship hit a screw, just a plain old metal screw, at FTL.  No survivors.

Well, actually when I think about it. Eezo decreases mass significantly so the collision wouldn't be as deadly.

Nothing can travel faster than light in RL, I'm afraid. At least not yet.

The thing is that the object you're colliding with has all the mass. If you're mass gets reduced to near zero and you collide with a screw, it would be like hitting a wall made of diamond. Especially at those speeds.

[MaximizedAction]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Id like a literalist's take on this question: Why does the catalyst, a several billion year old AI, come in the form of a child seen only by Shepard?

If the events inside the citadel were real, there would be absolutely no reason for the AI to appear as that child. The AI could have appeared in any form and still convinced Shepard it was an AI. After all, whose to say what this AI looks like?

The fact that this AI, who claims to be the collective intelligence of the reapers, appears as a boy Shepard saw, should raise a lot of suspicion. It's proof that the reapers are in Shepard's head, screwing with her thoughts.

To me, assuming a literalist's take on the EC footage, it's no problem that the Catalyst is in Shepard's head, since technically, he's a Reaper, if you pick the Refuse ending, it even sounds like one. So to me, indoctrination is very present, if you trust the Catalyst (=literalist to me). So, the AI must be in Shepard's head. I think he chose the form of an innocent child, thus making it easier for Shepard to trust him and to speed up the process of getting Shepard to make a decision. Again, this is where I trust the Catalyst and assume that his only goal is, indeed, to make peace between organics and synthetics.

No matter how I twist this, to me the EC made it very clear that the Catalyst is a Reaper, hence indoctrination is present in any case. And by that it is in Shep's head, anyways.

[monrapias]

paxxton wrote...

Page 1492 - Columbus discovers America!

  Many many maaaany years after a viking discovered it.

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Well, actually when I think about it. Eezo decreases mass significantly so the collision wouldn't be as deadly.

Nothing can travel faster than light in RL, I'm afraid. At least not yet.

Apparently ME's writers disagree since they wrote that screw story (BTW I have dibs on "screw you" puns).

It's not a matter of opinion. Relativity Theory doesn't allow it. And scientists haven't come up with any way to overcome it yet.

yet....