Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!
#37351
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 04:59
#37352
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:00
#37353
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:01
#37354
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:04
#37355
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:04
Eryri wrote...
Does anyone think that the way time flows so disjointedly in the Destroy epilogue is meant to be a clue that it's a dream?
The slides depict events that have to take place in the months and years ahead, such as rebuilding the citadel. We then cut back to the crashed Normandy, which for the sake of argument is a few days after the battle. Finally we cut even further back to Shepard in the rubble, which has to be in the immediate aftermath of the explosion.
Dreams are famous for being disjointed in time. Or am I doing the classic mistake of cherry picking evidence to suit the conclusion I want to be true?
No it does feel out of place.
#37356
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:04
#37357
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:05
Eryri wrote...
Does anyone think that the way time flows so disjointedly in the Destroy epilogue is meant to be a clue that it's a dream?
The slides depict events that have to take place in the months and years ahead, such as rebuilding the citadel. We then cut back to the crashed Normandy, which for the sake of argument is a few days after the battle. Finally we cut even further back to Shepard in the rubble, which has to be in the immediate aftermath of the explosion.
Dreams are famous for being disjointed in time. Or am I doing the classic mistake of cherry picking evidence to suit the conclusion I want to be true?
You do have a point there. The aftermaths of the decision chamber choices also seem way too surrel. Almost too good to be true.
#37358
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:05
#37359
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:09
#37360
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:11
"I wish you half an hour in heaven before the devil knows you're dead..."
You get to see exactly what you want to see, right before you get turned into a Reaper. Excellent.
Unless you wake up, of course
#37361
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:13
Rifneno wrote...
Afalstein wrote...
Oh. Okay then. I thought this was a discussion topic, not a mutual agreement topic. My bad.
You're not discussing anything, you're belittling everyone who pays attention better than you do. Now stop playing the victim card. If you learn to use your head for more than a hatrack, you're welcome to come back and try to debate with more than "but EC explained everything" as if the only points for IT were teleporting squad and the lack of a scene with Shepard being spurt out of the beam like he's at a crappy water park.
Normally I dont condone responding to trolls, but never have I seen three sentences so squarely put a passive-aggressive troll in their place. Bravo.
#37362
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:14
Isn't that line told by Garrus when he says farewell to Shepard in the FOB?insomniak9 wrote...
The reason we get the awesome happy "Yay Synthesis is awesome" dreamlike affair is down to the quote James give to Garrus...
"I wish you half an hour in heaven before the devil knows you're dead..."
You get to see exactly what you want to see, right before you get turned into a Reaper. Excellent.
Unless you wake up, of course
Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 05:14 .
#37363
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:14
So ya Synthesis dream it's all looking good until the dream turns into a nightmer.
#37364
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:15
insomniak9 wrote...
The reason we get the awesome happy "Yay Synthesis is awesome" dreamlike affair is down to the quote James give to Garrus...
"I wish you half an hour in heaven before the devil knows you're dead..."
You get to see exactly what you want to see, right before you get turned into a Reaper. Excellent.
Unless you wake up, of course
Hm, interesting. Since to me the emotional value of the endings are destroy<control<synthesis, it could be indeed intended to feel the best.
And then come the consequences: Critical mission failure: indoctrinated.
#37365
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:15
#37366
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:16
#37367
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:16
paxxton wrote...
Isn't that line told by Garrus when he says farewell to Shepard in the FOB?insomniak9 wrote...
The reason we get the awesome happy "Yay Synthesis is awesome" dreamlike affair is down to the quote James give to Garrus...
"I wish you half an hour in heaven before the devil knows you're dead..."
You get to see exactly what you want to see, right before you get turned into a Reaper. Excellent.
Unless you wake up, of course
Yes, and Garrus learned that saying from James, which is what insomniak was saying.
#37368
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:19
insomniak9 wrote...
The reason we get the awesome happy "Yay Synthesis is awesome" dreamlike affair is down to the quote James give to Garrus...
"I wish you half an hour in heaven before the devil knows you're dead..."
You get to see exactly what you want to see, right before you get turned into a Reaper. Excellent.
Unless you wake up, of course
I cant wrap my my mind around why anyone things synthesis would be a good idea. Even with EC, the catalyst gives Shepard a ****** poor explanation for why she's needed to complete the process and why it's a good idea.
#37369
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:20
insomniak9 wrote...
The reason we get the awesome happy "Yay Synthesis is awesome" dreamlike affair is down to the quote James give to Garrus...
"I wish you half an hour in heaven before the devil knows you're dead..."
You get to see exactly what you want to see, right before you get turned into a Reaper. Excellent.
Unless you wake up, of course
Actually, the origins of the saying go a little deeper than that... enough so that it may be worth noting
I'd been told this one before by my irish ex, but yahoo answers pops it up, even if the person who explained it does speak in comical pirate english:
http://answers.yahoo...22072508AAqUxgb
Ye be right Lass, ti's indeed an Irish quip. But,
its rooted in christian lore. For the devil to take your soul whilst you
are living, you have to give it to him willingly. From the time you
die till ye are in sacred ground interred, your unprotected soul is fair
game. Tis why no body is left unprotected by a most trusted friend e'en
though the night without repose. A seconds faltering or the invitation
in to the those of evil will give the devil his due. Go ye to an Irish
wake and try to catch the night watchman asleep at his task. Verily it
can't be done. Once the body is encrypted in sacred ground, the devil is
deprived of any further opportunity to secure the dead man's soul. The
saying says, may you be safely in heaven, buried in sacred ground,
before the devil has his last chance to claim your soul.
Foreshadowing, much?
Modifié par TSA_383, 02 juillet 2012 - 05:22 .
#37370
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:21
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
insomniak9 wrote...
The reason we get the awesome happy "Yay Synthesis is awesome" dreamlike affair is down to the quote James give to Garrus...
"I wish you half an hour in heaven before the devil knows you're dead..."
You get to see exactly what you want to see, right before you get turned into a Reaper. Excellent.
Unless you wake up, of course
I cant wrap my my mind around why anyone things synthesis would be a good idea. Even with EC, the catalyst gives Shepard a ****** poor explanation for why she's needed to complete the process and why it's a good idea.
Exactly. The whole point of Shepard being so willing to the idea of becoming a Reaper and doing what Saren wanted to do, is almost proof that she's not thinking for herself.
Maybe this even explains why the Citadel is moved to Earth. They (Harbinger) need a prominent and spectacularly emotional backdrop for the Indoctrination to even have a chance of working.
Modifié par insomniak9, 02 juillet 2012 - 05:24 .
#37371
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:21
Synthesis is about compromise and compromise is good.MaximizedAction wrote...
insomniak9 wrote...
The reason we get the awesome happy "Yay Synthesis is awesome" dreamlike affair is down to the quote James give to Garrus...
"I wish you half an hour in heaven before the devil knows you're dead..."
You get to see exactly what you want to see, right before you get turned into a Reaper. Excellent.
Unless you wake up, of course
Hm, interesting. Since to me the emotional value of the endings are destroy<control<synthesis, it could be indeed intended to feel the best.
And then come the consequences: Critical mission failure: indoctrinated.
#37372
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:22
TSA_383 wrote...
insomniak9 wrote...
The reason we get the awesome happy "Yay Synthesis is awesome" dreamlike affair is down to the quote James give to Garrus...
"I wish you half an hour in heaven before the devil knows you're dead..."
You get to see exactly what you want to see, right before you get turned into a Reaper. Excellent.
Unless you wake up, of course
Actually, the origins of the saying go a little deeper than that... enough so that it may be worth noting
I'd been told this one before by my irish ex, but yahoo answers pops it up, even if the person who explained it does speak in comical pirate english:
http://answers.yahoo...22072508AAqUxgbYe be right Lass, ti's indeed an Irish quip. But,
its rooted in christian lore. For the devil to take your soul whilst you
are living, you have to give it to him willingly. From the time you
die till ye are in sacred ground interred, your unprotected soul is fair
game. Tis why no body is left unprotected by a most trusted friend e'en
though the night without repose. A seconds faltering or the invitation
in to the those of evil will give the devil his due. Go ye to an Irish
wake and try to catch the night watchman asleep at his task. Verily it
can't be done. Once the body is encrypted in sacred ground, the devil is
deprived of any further opportunity to secure the dead man's soul. The
saying says, may you be safely in heaven, buried in sacred ground,
before the devil has his last chance to claim your soul.
Indeed it is. I posted a few pages back that it was an Irish saying
#37373
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:26
insomniak9 wrote...
Indeed it is. I posted a few pages back that it was an Irish saying
Curious though, as it neatly foreshadows the end sequence - you are down, on the brink of death, and the nearest thing Mass Effect gets to a devil tries to lead you into willingly giving in...
It's...interesting.
#37374
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:27
byne wrote...
DJBare wrote...
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but you know the part when Shepard jerks awake on the citadel, I could swear the odd sound is a defibrillator.
If it had been established beforehand that Shep had a defibrillator implanted in her, I'd be fine with that, but it hasnt been.
Randomly showing Shep having a defib implanted would be like if she had been tied to a boulder and thrown into the ocean, but revealing that its okay, because she has artificial gills as part of her implants.
Actually, I thought it sounded like a defibrilator too, but not one in Shep's armor. Rather, it's the sound of the marines around his/her body trying to revive him/her. Remember the speculation that the electrical arcs sounded like gunfire from a firefight going on around Shep's body? Think that. Also, just to bring this up again, that sound also reminds me of the sound played during the Eden Prime vision in ME1. Here, as a reminder of what the vision flashes sound like:
(Around 47:02 if the time doesn't save.)
Also, does the red lighting of the entry hall on the Citadel remind anyone else of the color of the visions?
Modifié par Dwailing, 02 juillet 2012 - 05:30 .
#37375
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 05:32
TSA_383 wrote...
insomniak9 wrote...
The reason we get the awesome happy "Yay Synthesis is awesome" dreamlike affair is down to the quote James give to Garrus...
"I wish you half an hour in heaven before the devil knows you're dead..."
You get to see exactly what you want to see, right before you get turned into a Reaper. Excellent.
Unless you wake up, of course
Actually, the origins of the saying go a little deeper than that... enough so that it may be worth noting
I'd been told this one before by my irish ex, but yahoo answers pops it up, even if the person who explained it does speak in comical pirate english:
http://answers.yahoo...22072508AAqUxgbYe be right Lass, ti's indeed an Irish quip. But,
its rooted in christian lore. For the devil to take your soul whilst you
are living, you have to give it to him willingly. From the time you
die till ye are in sacred ground interred, your unprotected soul is fair
game. Tis why no body is left unprotected by a most trusted friend e'en
though the night without repose. A seconds faltering or the invitation
in to the those of evil will give the devil his due. Go ye to an Irish
wake and try to catch the night watchman asleep at his task. Verily it
can't be done. Once the body is encrypted in sacred ground, the devil is
deprived of any further opportunity to secure the dead man's soul. The
saying says, may you be safely in heaven, buried in sacred ground,
before the devil has his last chance to claim your soul.
Foreshadowing, much?
Any other unusual/poignant lines from london?




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