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Modifié par insomniak9, 02 juillet 2012 - 05:38 .
TSA_383 wrote...
Quoting for the new page as I think this could do with discussion:TSA_383 wrote...
insomniak9 wrote...
The reason we get the awesome happy "Yay Synthesis is awesome" dreamlike affair is down to the quote James give to Garrus...
"I wish you half an hour in heaven before the devil knows you're dead..."
You get to see exactly what you want to see, right before you get turned into a Reaper. Excellent.
Unless you wake up, of course
Actually, the origins of the saying go a little deeper than that... enough so that it may be worth noting
I'd been told this one before by my irish ex, but yahoo answers pops it up, even if the person who explained it does speak in comical pirate english:
http://answers.yahoo...22072508AAqUxgbYe be right Lass, ti's indeed an Irish quip. But,
its rooted in christian lore. For the devil to take your soul whilst you
are living, you have to give it to him willingly. From the time you
die till ye are in sacred ground interred, your unprotected soul is fair
game. Tis why no body is left unprotected by a most trusted friend e'en
though the night without repose. A seconds faltering or the invitation
in to the those of evil will give the devil his due. Go ye to an Irish
wake and try to catch the night watchman asleep at his task. Verily it
can't be done. Once the body is encrypted in sacred ground, the devil is
deprived of any further opportunity to secure the dead man's soul. The
saying says, may you be safely in heaven, buried in sacred ground,
before the devil has his last chance to claim your soul.
Foreshadowing, much?
Any other unusual/poignant lines from london?
Dwailing wrote...
TSA_383 wrote...
Any other unusual/poignant lines from london?
Well, it may not be unusual, but Javik's line about how Shepard will have to make more hard choices before the night is over kind of made me think about how Destroy is the hard choice of the three. You know, since it seems to have the worst consequences (Although arguably, that role might be taken by Refusal now, but still.).
Modifié par Turbo_J, 02 juillet 2012 - 05:48 .
Turbo_J wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
TSA_383 wrote...
Any other unusual/poignant lines from london?
Well, it may not be unusual, but Javik's line about how Shepard will have to make more hard choices before the night is over kind of made me think about how Destroy is the hard choice of the three. You know, since it seems to have the worst consequences (Although arguably, that role might be taken by Refusal now, but still.).
Not lines, but links to thoughts or impressions that Shepard would have that play a part in what is shown after the choice.
Only Shepard knows that Anderson is dead. He may be MIA, but as far as we can tell the entire fleet evacuates and the Normandy crew goes to place the name on the Memorial Board before they even leave the planet.
Only Shepard knows he/she is alive in the breath scene. The hesitation makes no sense. Furthermore, in Control and Synthesis, how could they know Shepard is dead? They didn't even look for a body and again, they all flew out of Sol.
Shepard knows the answers to these questions so it makes sense that a vision of the future from their mind would be expressed this way.
It also leads me to believe that Shepard is alive in all three endings.
Reject, I'm not so sure really. I still think it is the only 'ending' that exist withing the ME universe reality.
Dwailing wrote...
Well, it may not be unusual, but Javik's line about how Shepard will have to make more hard choices before the night is over kind of made me think about how Destroy is the hard choice of the three. You know, since it seems to have the worst consequences (Although arguably, that role might be taken by Refusal now, but still.).
Dwailing wrote...
I still think that the Rejection ending might be another way to break free from indoctrination. I'm not going to say one way or the other whether I think it's a BETTER way to break free from indoctrination than Destroy, but I AM going to say that I think it's another way to break free.
Modifié par Turbo_J, 02 juillet 2012 - 06:02 .
Tirian Thorn wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
Well, it may not be unusual, but Javik's line about how Shepard will have to make more hard choices before the night is over kind of made me think about how Destroy is the hard choice of the three. You know, since it seems to have the worst consequences (Although arguably, that role might be taken by Refusal now, but still.).
Refusal is a choice of sorts, but not a "hard choice" from Javik's perspective - IMO.
Javik - I think - given the same situation would be destroy and damn the consequences.
Giving choices like this is pretty standard in my experience when one party wants someone to agree with them.
Present a horrible, unthinkable or drastic change and have everyone gasp and complain. Then introduce a "less bad" option (the option you want someone to agree with.) Guess which one people will usually pick. They will pick the option that impacts the fewest people - but may not actually be the best option.
http://theriskyshift...pelled-to-html/
This is similar to other moral discussions I've seen. A classic example is that a super-intelligent alien culture comes to Earth and offers to make every single man, woman and child happy, disease free, etc. And all that has to happen is for one child to be tortured.
Most people will object to this - even damning the entire world to a worse fate than make this choice.
The Reapers aren't quite going that far, but if you pick destroy, Starbrat tells you that you will be destroying the Geth and EDI. If you pick Control/Synthesis - only Shepard has to "die."
Turbo_J wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
I still think that the Rejection ending might be another way to break free from indoctrination. I'm not going to say one way or the other whether I think it's a BETTER way to break free from indoctrination than Destroy, but I AM going to say that I think it's another way to break free.
It is possible, but I think it's inaction - potentially not listening to the non-indoctrinated portion of Sheps own mind. I have quotes in the game from Shepard themselves that point at this being a vary bad idea... including 'We fight or we die' and the response to Ash's 'how do we fight something that can worm it's way into our heads'
'I don't know, but we don't have a choice.'
I suspect that part of the vision takes place right after the truck/Mako thing crashes. When Shep gets to the 'Citadel', they are actually coming too at the Mako. What happens in reality from that point, we can't say, but I think Shep tries to get to the 'beam'
As you walk through the Citadel, imagine charging the beam at the same time.
When you get to the 'Normandy rescue' picture the moral standoff with TIM
When you get to the chat with Harbinger, imagine Shepard standing muttering to themselves in front of the BEACON on the ground in London.
When it's time to make the choice; imagine destroy is damaging some kind of generator or power source to the beacon that causes an explosion, blowing Shep and rubble out of the area - say, to about where they wake up after harbingers 'laser hit'.
Basically, the run to the beam and the walk to the control panel may both be happening at the same time. One in reality, the other in side Shepard's head.
(right where Harbinger is floating in London, to the right of the beam.
v0rt3x22 wrote...
I hope you guys are having a serious and mature discussion. I can't open a single thread out there without getting some stupid troll answer.
I got cussed out of an MP lobby for mentioning IT in a discussion about the endings.
XanderLav wrote...
Hey, I remember that somebody found the script of Citadel scene with Anderson and TIM, where Anderson never talks to TIM and Shepard is listed as a listener throughout the whole scene. Was it changed in EC, if not, for me it's the biggest hint, even bigger than breath scene itself.
Tirian Thorn wrote...
Javik - I think - given the same situation would be destroy and damn the consequences.
insomniak9 wrote...
XanderLav wrote...
Hey, I remember that somebody found the script of Citadel scene with Anderson and TIM, where Anderson never talks to TIM and Shepard is listed as a listener throughout the whole scene. Was it changed in EC, if not, for me it's the biggest hint, even bigger than breath scene itself.
If Anderson never talked to TIM, who was Shepard listening to?
insomniak9 wrote...
XanderLav wrote...
Hey, I remember that somebody found the script of Citadel scene with Anderson and TIM, where Anderson never talks to TIM and Shepard is listed as a listener throughout the whole scene. Was it changed in EC, if not, for me it's the biggest hint, even bigger than breath scene itself.
If Anderson never talked to TIM, who was Shepard listening to?
Andromidius wrote...
Tirian Thorn wrote...
Javik - I think - given the same situation would be destroy and damn the consequences.
As cool as Javik is, I don't think I'll be adopting his morality any time soon
v0rt3x22 wrote...
I hope you guys are having a serious and mature discussion. I can't open a single thread out there without getting some stupid troll answer.
v0rt3x22 wrote...
insomniak9 wrote...
XanderLav wrote...
Hey, I remember that somebody found the script of Citadel scene with Anderson and TIM, where Anderson never talks to TIM and Shepard is listed as a listener throughout the whole scene. Was it changed in EC, if not, for me it's the biggest hint, even bigger than breath scene itself.
If Anderson never talked to TIM, who was Shepard listening to?
Yea I read that too.
Tirian Thorn wrote...
Javik - I think - given the same situation would be destroy and damn the consequences.
XanderLav wrote...
insomniak9 wrote...
XanderLav wrote...
Hey, I remember that somebody found the script of Citadel scene with Anderson and TIM, where Anderson never talks to TIM and Shepard is listed as a listener throughout the whole scene. Was it changed in EC, if not, for me it's the biggest hint, even bigger than breath scene itself.
If Anderson never talked to TIM, who was Shepard listening to?
Well both TIM and Anderson talk to Shepard and never to each other. If I remember correctly, as I said it was before EC.
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