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[Dwailing]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

robdunnhill wrote...

Bioware keep saying they will not change the endings the EC is final...... is this possible though?

there is extra locked content in the EC that will trigger different scenes in the endings with future DLC including this leviathan DLC people keep talking about? my wishful thinking is to either aide the IT or the refuse conventional victory theory

although the above would change some endings, Bioware wouldn't be lieing as if the theory is true, then the EC is unchanged as the content was always there with the download.

To be honest with you - I don't buy it.

BioWare have said that they won't release anymore  DLCs that will address the ending - but (correct me if I'm wrong) - they have never said they won't release post-ending DLC - and even if they don't - here are my thoughts:

BioWare have already said that they will support the game with additional content over the next year.

And Mass Effect is a very succesful franchise - you can bet your money on the fact that we will get another game.

So that leaves us with two possibilities:

a) I could see BioWare doing a bunch of DLCs - and then doing a bridge DLC like Arrival - which will tie in to the next game (but this possibility takes into consideration that Shepard will remain the protagonist).

If Shepard isn't in the next game (which I highly doubt, due to the breathing scene) - we could see him appear in only bridge DLC - and then the next game would start off with a new character.

I don't want Shep to die at the end of ME3, but I would kind of prefer a new protagonist for ME4, unless the only way to make IT work is for Shep to be the lead in ME4.  In that case, BRING ON THE SHEPARD!!!!

[paxxton]

Repost.

paxxton wrote...

Surely you can see that Harby looks at the Normandy!
http://www.youtube.c...Kdfh58UE#t=101s

Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 06:54 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Turbo_J wrote...

If Sovereign uploaded itself to the Citadel, the cycle would be over. It would have opened the Citadel and activated the relay long before ME3 takes place and would have rendered ME2 and the collectors completely unnecessary.

Not really, for whatever reason these two systems aren't connected. Sovereign sent a signal to the Citadel which sends a signal to the Keepers which open the arms. Logic?
They had to install it as an easy to use system to make the inhabitants not bother with it. If there were some other, presumably sophisticated connections it would make the residents suspicious (though in my opinion there is some minor indoctrination going on anyway as each cycle just decides to use it as seat of goverment). And if they Citadel was not built by the Reapers they maybe never anticipated the use which would mean there was no reason to connect these two systems anyway. Now it can already send signals, so why change a running system?

[MegumiAzusa]

insomniak9 wrote...

Ah! Synthesis is what Saren wanted.
/end discussion about Synthesis.

Saren wanted Control as stated in the beginning of ME1.

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

Ah! Synthesis is what Saren wanted.
/end discussion about Synthesis.

Saren wanted Control as stated in the beginning of ME1.

Really?

[Dwailing]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

Ah! Synthesis is what Saren wanted.
/end discussion about Synthesis.

Saren wanted Control as stated in the beginning of ME1.

You sure about that Megumi?  I believe he sounded pretty pro-Synthesis when you consider that line about his augmentations.  Something like, "I am a vision of a future.  Organic and synthetic intertwined.  The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither."

Modifié par Dwailing, 02 juillet 2012 - 07:04 .

[TSA_383]

robdunnhill wrote...

Bioware keep saying they will not change the endings the EC is final...... is this possible though?

there is extra locked content in the EC that will trigger different scenes in the endings with future DLC including this leviathan DLC people keep talking about? my wishful thinking is to either aide the IT or the refuse conventional victory theory

although the above would change some endings, Bioware wouldn't be lieing as if the theory is true, then the EC is unchanged as the content was always there with the download.

Not true, having gone through it myself, there's not new content outside the already leaked subtitle tracks for the "leviathan" dlc...

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

Ah! Synthesis is what Saren wanted.
/end discussion about Synthesis.

Saren wanted Control as stated in the beginning of ME1.

Oh really?

Saren: "I'm forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed"

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 02 juillet 2012 - 07:06 .

[paxxton]

So no one sees how Harby is following the Normandy with his eyes?
http://www.youtube.c...Kdfh58UE#t=101s

Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 07:07 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

Ah! Synthesis is what Saren wanted.
/end discussion about Synthesis.

Saren wanted Control as stated in the beginning of ME1.

You sure about that Megumi?  I believe he sounded pretty pro-Synthesis when you consider that line about his augmentations.  Something like, "I am a vision of a future.  Organic and synthetic intertwined.  The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither."

I should have also used an also in that sentence
"Saren also wanted Control as stated in the beginning of ME1."

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

Ah! Synthesis is what Saren wanted.
/end discussion about Synthesis.

Saren wanted Control as stated in the beginning of ME1.

You sure about that Megumi?  I believe he sounded pretty pro-Synthesis when you consider that line about his augmentations.  Something like, "I am a vision of a future.  Organic and synthetic intertwined.  The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither."

I should have also used an also in that sentence
"Saren also wanted Control as stated in the beginning of ME1."

Could you cite his words?

[Dwailing]

TSA_383 wrote...

robdunnhill wrote...

Bioware keep saying they will not change the endings the EC is final...... is this possible though?

there is extra locked content in the EC that will trigger different scenes in the endings with future DLC including this leviathan DLC people keep talking about? my wishful thinking is to either aide the IT or the refuse conventional victory theory

although the above would change some endings, Bioware wouldn't be lieing as if the theory is true, then the EC is unchanged as the content was always there with the download.

Not true, having gone through it myself, there's not new content outside the already leaked subtitle tracks for the "leviathan" dlc...

I'm curious, has Bioware said they won't RELEASE any new post-ending DLC, or have they only said that they won't DEVELOPE any more post-ending DLC?  Because in the case of the latter, that could mean that they've ALREADY developed the content and they're just waiting to release it.  It would explain the almost four month development of the EC (You know, going from when ME3 was released.).

Modifié par Dwailing, 02 juillet 2012 - 07:08 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

Ah! Synthesis is what Saren wanted.
/end discussion about Synthesis.

Saren wanted Control as stated in the beginning of ME1.

You sure about that Megumi?  I believe he sounded pretty pro-Synthesis when you consider that line about his augmentations.  Something like, "I am a vision of a future.  Organic and synthetic intertwined.  The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither."

I should have also used an also in that sentence
"Saren also wanted Control as stated in the beginning of ME1."

Could you quote where Saren wants control?

[Dwailing]

paxxton wrote...

So no one sees how Harby is following the Normandy with his eyes?
http://www.youtube.c...Kdfh58UE#t=101s

Yes, I see it.  Happy?   I still get the feeling that it let the Normandy go so that it would have leverage over Shepard for Destroy.  You know, not wanting to kill EDI.

[Dessalines]

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

Ah! Synthesis is what Saren wanted.
/end discussion about Synthesis.

Saren wanted Control as stated in the beginning of ME1.

Really?

Saren gives a long speech about synthesis, while Shepard is fighting him. He doesn't use the word "synthesis", but the talks about the union of humans and machines. The strengths of both species, and the weakness of none.

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So no one sees how Harby is following the Normandy with his eyes?
http://www.youtube.c...Kdfh58UE#t=101s

Yes, I see it.  Happy?   I still get the feeling that it let the Normandy go so that it would have leverage over Shepard for Destroy.  You know, not wanting to kill EDI.

Yes, and you just acknowledge it like that and move on?  That deserves speculation.

[Dwailing]

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So no one sees how Harby is following the Normandy with his eyes?
http://www.youtube.c...Kdfh58UE#t=101s

Yes, I see it.  Happy?   I still get the feeling that it let the Normandy go so that it would have leverage over Shepard for Destroy.  You know, not wanting to kill EDI.

Yes, and you just acknowledge it like that and move on?  That deserves speculation.

I gave my speculation.  I speculated that that is to emphasize Harby letting the Normandy go (I'll admit, I didn't emphasize that enough.  I apologize.).

[v0rt3x22]

Dessalines wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

Ah! Synthesis is what Saren wanted.
/end discussion about Synthesis.

Saren wanted Control as stated in the beginning of ME1.

Really?

Saren gives a long speech about synthesis, while Shepard is fighting him. He doesn't use the word "synthesis", but the talks about the union of humans and machines. The strengths of both species, and the weakness of none.

He really does. It goes something like this:

"Ladies and Gentlemen, Asari and Krogan, we are gathered here to day to discuss Synthesis..."

[Vet223]

Dwailing wrote...

Actually, I thought it sounded like a defibrilator too, but not one in Shep's armor.  Rather, it's the sound of the marines around his/her body trying to revive him/her.  Remember the speculation that the electrical arcs sounded like gunfire from a firefight going on around Shep's body?  Think that.  Also, just to bring this up again, that sound also reminds me of the sound played during the Eden Prime vision in ME1.  Here, as a reminder of what the vision flashes sound like: 
  (Around 47:02 if the time doesn't save.)

Also, does the red lighting of the entry hall on the Citadel remind anyone else of the color of the visions? 

Good catch!  I figured that was a somewhat overt IT 'hint' at the time, but couldn't place why it wasn't a reaper growl or something.  Sounds exactly like the cipher/beacon images flashing through his/her head.  I believe when his/her dreams were overtaken with these messages in ME1, the same sound continued to happen then as well.

So is this a warning embedded in the cipher trying to get Shep to understand this isn't real?  Or am I thinking too much, and this is just the sound of getting bombarded by any thoughts/images, in this case for purposes of late-stage indoctrination?

Modifié par Vet223, 02 juillet 2012 - 07:15 .

[zigamortis]

Dwailing wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

robdunnhill wrote...

Bioware keep saying they will not change the endings the EC is final...... is this possible though?

there is extra locked content in the EC that will trigger different scenes in the endings with future DLC including this leviathan DLC people keep talking about? my wishful thinking is to either aide the IT or the refuse conventional victory theory

although the above would change some endings, Bioware wouldn't be lieing as if the theory is true, then the EC is unchanged as the content was always there with the download.

To be honest with you - I don't buy it.

BioWare have said that they won't release anymore  DLCs that will address the ending - but (correct me if I'm wrong) - they have never said they won't release post-ending DLC - and even if they don't - here are my thoughts:

BioWare have already said that they will support the game with additional content over the next year.

And Mass Effect is a very succesful franchise - you can bet your money on the fact that we will get another game.

So that leaves us with two possibilities:

a) I could see BioWare doing a bunch of DLCs - and then doing a bridge DLC like Arrival - which will tie in to the next game (but this possibility takes into consideration that Shepard will remain the protagonist).

If Shepard isn't in the next game (which I highly doubt, due to the breathing scene) - we could see him appear in only bridge DLC - and then the next game would start off with a new character.

I don't want Shep to die at the end of ME3, but I would kind of prefer a new protagonist for ME4, unless the only way to make IT work is for Shep to be the lead in ME4.  In that case, BRING ON THE SHEPARD!!!!

Actualy with IT they could just have shep retire or get promoted and be the anderson character. As in the mentor. imagine how cool it would be if that throughout mass effect 4 shepard was giving advice to the new protagonist. and all of shepards dialog would be based on your morality and disposition in the first three games. IE if he was renegade he might say something along the lines of "do whatever you need to do to get this done, no matter the sacrafice." or paragon "Just get in there and get it done, and do it right i want as few casualties as possible." or something along those lines.

[robdunnhill]

Dwailing wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

robdunnhill wrote...

Bioware keep saying they will not change the endings the EC is final...... is this possible though?

there is extra locked content in the EC that will trigger different scenes in the endings with future DLC including this leviathan DLC people keep talking about? my wishful thinking is to either aide the IT or the refuse conventional victory theory

although the above would change some endings, Bioware wouldn't be lieing as if the theory is true, then the EC is unchanged as the content was always there with the download.

Not true, having gone through it myself, there's not new content outside the already leaked subtitle tracks for the "leviathan" dlc...

I'm curious, has Bioware said they won't RELEASE any new post-ending DLC, or have they only said that they won't DEVELOPE any more post-ending DLC?  Because in the case of the latter, that could mean that they've ALREADY developed the content and they're just waiting to release it.  It would explain the almost four month development of the EC (You know, going from when ME3 was released.).

also which makes me speculate even more bioware even tweeted after people raged about the endings "if you knew what we were planning the reaction would be different" which makes me think there may be more to come

[Dwailing]

zigamortis wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

robdunnhill wrote...

Bioware keep saying they will not change the endings the EC is final...... is this possible though?

there is extra locked content in the EC that will trigger different scenes in the endings with future DLC including this leviathan DLC people keep talking about? my wishful thinking is to either aide the IT or the refuse conventional victory theory

although the above would change some endings, Bioware wouldn't be lieing as if the theory is true, then the EC is unchanged as the content was always there with the download.

To be honest with you - I don't buy it.

BioWare have said that they won't release anymore  DLCs that will address the ending - but (correct me if I'm wrong) - they have never said they won't release post-ending DLC - and even if they don't - here are my thoughts:

BioWare have already said that they will support the game with additional content over the next year.

And Mass Effect is a very succesful franchise - you can bet your money on the fact that we will get another game.

So that leaves us with two possibilities:

a) I could see BioWare doing a bunch of DLCs - and then doing a bridge DLC like Arrival - which will tie in to the next game (but this possibility takes into consideration that Shepard will remain the protagonist).

If Shepard isn't in the next game (which I highly doubt, due to the breathing scene) - we could see him appear in only bridge DLC - and then the next game would start off with a new character.

I don't want Shep to die at the end of ME3, but I would kind of prefer a new protagonist for ME4, unless the only way to make IT work is for Shep to be the lead in ME4.  In that case, BRING ON THE SHEPARD!!!!

Actualy with IT they could just have shep retire or get promoted and be the anderson character. As in the mentor. imagine how cool it would be if that throughout mass effect 4 shepard was giving advice to the new protagonist. and all of shepards dialog would be based on your morality and disposition in the first three games. IE if he was renegade he might say something along the lines of "do whatever you need to do to get this done, no matter the sacrafice." or paragon "Just get in there and get it done, and do it right i want as few casualties as possible." or something along those lines.

That would be awesome.  BW, GET ON THIS!

[zigamortis]

@Dwailing
Glad someone else enjoys the idea. though without them fixing the ending i still wouldnt be interested.

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So no one sees how Harby is following the Normandy with his eyes?
http://www.youtube.c...Kdfh58UE#t=101s

Yes, I see it.  Happy?   I still get the feeling that it let the Normandy go so that it would have leverage over Shepard for Destroy.  You know, not wanting to kill EDI.

Yes, and you just acknowledge it like that and move on?  That deserves speculation.

I gave my speculation.  I speculated that that is to emphasize Harby letting the Normandy go (I'll admit, I didn't emphasize that enough.  I apologize.).

LOL. OK, but I also think that the Normandy might have been destroyed when Shepard was calling for an evac. The fake one appears on-site really fast.

Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 07:23 .

[zigamortis]

@paxxton
That is true the ship was there very fast and im quite sure entering the atmosphere at that speed would utterly destroy the normandy.