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[masster blaster]

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the Reapers build the Citadel and the Mass Rely since Sovereign sated that it's self. So when the Catalyst says "the Citadel is my home" does that mean...OH my GOD... The Reapers could have created the Catalyst in an effort to get Shepard on their side and they used the Boy on Earth to mess with Shepard and at the end when the time was right they would use the Boy to make Shepard except the Reapers ways and let Shepard do anything Shepard wants so that the Reapers have more time to Modify Shepard after Shepard picked a choice, but what the Reapers did not expect was the War assets that Shepard brought to Earth, and my theory for Destroy/breath scene was that with LOW EMS the Reapers kill Shepard before Shepard wakes up but with HIGH EMS Shepard has time to wake up because Shepard's Assets are bying time to let Shepard wake up hence explains why Shepard does not wake up in Destroy because of the WAR ASSETS/EMS.

[Beastpwnguy7]

Dwailing wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

robdunnhill wrote...

Bioware keep saying they will not change the endings the EC is final...... is this possible though?

there is extra locked content in the EC that will trigger different scenes in the endings with future DLC including this leviathan DLC people keep talking about? my wishful thinking is to either aide the IT or the refuse conventional victory theory

although the above would change some endings, Bioware wouldn't be lieing as if the theory is true, then the EC is unchanged as the content was always there with the download.

Not true, having gone through it myself, there's not new content outside the already leaked subtitle tracks for the "leviathan" dlc...

I'm curious, has Bioware said they won't RELEASE any new post-ending DLC, or have they only said that they won't DEVELOPE any more post-ending DLC?  Because in the case of the latter, that could mean that they've ALREADY developed the content and they're just waiting to release it.  It would explain the almost four month development of the EC (You know, going from when ME3 was released.).

Well BioWare said alot of things about me3 that didnt turn out to be true at all. Even when they announced the EC they said the endings wouldnt be changed and that they wouldnt be adding any new endings. But it turns out alot of the stuff has been changed (relays no longer being completely destroyed) AND added a completly new ending (rejecting the choices). So I think we should take what they say with a grain of salt.

[DJBare]

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So no one sees how Harby is following the Normandy with his eyes?
http://www.youtube.c...Kdfh58UE#t=101s

Yes, I see it.  Happy?   I still get the feeling that it let the Normandy go so that it would have leverage over Shepard for Destroy.  You know, not wanting to kill EDI.

Yes, and you just acknowledge it like that and move on?  That deserves speculation.

I posted the observation a number of pages back, it's pretty obvious Harby watches the Normandy leave without any attempt to stop it, but since Harby can pin point soldiers who look likes ants to him then I'm sure the Normandy will stand out like a sore thumb, the trouble is there's not a lot you can say about it, Harby follows the Normandy's movements as it leaves, what else can be said?
PS, it's also the reason I do not think Harby is saying "serve us"; something else is going on and Bioware are keeping it to themselves.

[paxxton]

zigamortis wrote...

@paxxton
That is true the ship was there very fast and im quite sure entering the atmosphere at that speed would utterly destroy the normandy.

This might fuel the idea that it's all just an illusion.

Modifié par paxxton, 02 juillet 2012 - 07:34 .

[paxxton]

DJBare wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So no one sees how Harby is following the Normandy with his eyes?
http://www.youtube.c...Kdfh58UE#t=101s

Yes, I see it.  Happy?   I still get the feeling that it let the Normandy go so that it would have leverage over Shepard for Destroy.  You know, not wanting to kill EDI.

Yes, and you just acknowledge it like that and move on?  That deserves speculation.

I posted the observation a number of pages back, it's pretty obvious Harby watches the Normandy leave without any attempt to stop it, but since Harby can pin point soldiers who look likes ants to him then I'm sure the Normandy will stand out like a sore thumb, the trouble is there's not a lot you can say about it, Harby follows the Normandy's movements as it leaves, what else can be said?
PS, it's also the reason I do not think Harby is saying "serve us"; something else is going on and Bioware are keeping it to themselves.

I posted it for the first time a few days ago.  Harby says "Save Us", I think.

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So no one sees how Harby is following the Normandy with his eyes?
http://www.youtube.c...Kdfh58UE#t=101s

Yes, I see it.  Happy?   I still get the feeling that it let the Normandy go so that it would have leverage over Shepard for Destroy.  You know, not wanting to kill EDI.

Yes, and you just acknowledge it like that and move on?  That deserves speculation.

I posted the observation a number of pages back, it's pretty obvious Harby watches the Normandy leave without any attempt to stop it, but since Harby can pin point soldiers who look likes ants to him then I'm sure the Normandy will stand out like a sore thumb, the trouble is there's not a lot you can say about it, Harby follows the Normandy's movements as it leaves, what else can be said?
PS, it's also the reason I do not think Harby is saying "serve us"; something else is going on and Bioware are keeping it to themselves.

No matter the case, I'm quite confident that BW added that "Harby watching the Normandy leave" scene so there wouldnt be any doubt that he knew it was there. Otherwise we'd have people writing it off as it being invisible due to the stealth systems.

Either way, I think what happens there is based on shep's willpower/confidence regarding the outcome of their efforts. Aka EMS. 

[Qeylis]

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So no one sees how Harby is following the Normandy with his eyes?
http://www.youtube.c...Kdfh58UE#t=101s

Yes, I see it.  Happy?   I still get the feeling that it let the Normandy go so that it would have leverage over Shepard for Destroy.  You know, not wanting to kill EDI.

Yes, and you just acknowledge it like that and move on?  That deserves speculation.

I gave my speculation.  I speculated that that is to emphasize Harby letting the Normandy go (I'll admit, I didn't emphasize that enough.  I apologize.).

LOL. OK, but I also think that the Normandy might have been destroyed when Shepard was calling for an evac. The fake one appears on-site really fast.

Obviously, the Normandy was shadowing me.  Joker always has my back.  Doesn't he follow you like that in every mission in Mass Effect, ever?  

Like, when we killed that Reaper on Tuchunka.  The Normandy was right there the whole time.  When Mordin was at the top of that tower, he just jumped right on to the Normandy and didn't die at all.

Or, how about Noveria?  I didn't have to wait for access to a train at all.  The Normandy was right there, waiting to take me where I needed to go.  Nezzie was doing bad things, had to get there fast.

And what about Horizon?  What a pain those Scions would have been without the Normandies help.  Taking them out in one shot with that properly calibrated Thanix cannon, so that I don't have to waste ammo and time on an extremely annoying mission.

Or, whenever I walk down the halls of the Citidel, the Normandy is right behind me, saying, "Excuse me, Space Ship, coming through."

Its been the angel on my shoulder all this time.  With me every mission, not doing its own thing at all, ever.  Thanks Normandy.

[Big_Boss9]

A little OT but apparently you get a Rachni slide in the EC if you didn't cure the genophage and spared the Rachni Queen -- http://social.biowar...ndex/12925584/1

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

No matter the case, I'm quite confident that BW added that "Harby watching the Normandy leave" scene so there wouldnt be any doubt that he knew it was there. Otherwise we'd have people writing it off as it being invisible due to the stealth systems.

Either way, I think what happens there is based on shep's willpower/confidence regarding the outcome of their efforts. Aka EMS. 

Good point! There can be no doubt, no techy talk, just glowing eyes: Harbinger is watching the Normandy leave in the most basic sense.
Deal with it.

[DJBare]

HellishFiend wrote...
No matter the case, I'm quite confident that BW added that "Harby watching the Normandy leave" scene so there wouldnt be any doubt that he knew it was there. Otherwise we'd have people writing it off as it being invisible due to the stealth systems.

Either way, I think what happens there is based on shep's willpower/confidence regarding the outcome of their efforts. Aka EMS. 

Stealth cannot be argued by anyone since those systems do not operate in the visible spectrum, all it does is sinks the ships heat emissions.
"If someone looks out a window they would see us"

[insomniak9]

I know why.

Because it never happpened.

Watch the video, just after that, you HEAR 3 Harby lasers going off, but can you see them? No you can't.

Because. It's. All. Imaginary.

[EpyonX3]

At 4:50* you will hear Harbinger's line. This was ripped from the demo.

Sorry 4:50 nont 4:52

Modifié par EpyonX3, 02 juillet 2012 - 07:45 .

[EpyonX3]

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
No matter the case, I'm quite confident that BW added that "Harby watching the Normandy leave" scene so there wouldnt be any doubt that he knew it was there. Otherwise we'd have people writing it off as it being invisible due to the stealth systems.

Either way, I think what happens there is based on shep's willpower/confidence regarding the outcome of their efforts. Aka EMS. 

Stealth cannot be argued by anyone since those systems do not operate in the visible spectrum, all it does is sinks the ships heat emissions.
"If someone looks out a window they would see us"

So are we back on the Normandy escape topic?

[MaximizedAction]

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
No matter the case, I'm quite confident that BW added that "Harby watching the Normandy leave" scene so there wouldnt be any doubt that he knew it was there. Otherwise we'd have people writing it off as it being invisible due to the stealth systems.

Either way, I think what happens there is based on shep's willpower/confidence regarding the outcome of their efforts. Aka EMS. 

Stealth cannot be argued by anyone since those systems do not operate in the visible spectrum, all it does is sinks the ships heat emissions.
"If someone looks out a window they would see us"

Then this brings up the question again (which consensus I forgot again) how the Normandy could escape the Destroyer in Vancouver (if it was real).

EDIT: sorta 'd by Epyon.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 02 juillet 2012 - 07:46 .

[CheesieOnion]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Rejection raises so many questions for me. Why have it at all if it's pretty much the game over button? Why is Harbinger angry when you refuse to play his game? If that choice turns the entire galaxy into reaper chow, why does he become angry when you pick it? Why not encourage you to refuse it all if it just dooms the galaxy? You think his anger would be saved for those who choose destroy, but he's offering you the choice to destroy them completely.

I believe both destroy and refuse allow Shepard to regain control of her mind. The difference is that destroy represents a willingness to use the crucible, while refuse represents the courage to stand up to the reapers without it.

Maybe this is something that proves IT, because if you refuse you don't give your mind completely to the reapers by choosing synthesis or control, nor do you break free of indoctrination by choosing destroy.

[EpyonX3]

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
No matter the case, I'm quite confident that BW added that "Harby watching the Normandy leave" scene so there wouldnt be any doubt that he knew it was there. Otherwise we'd have people writing it off as it being invisible due to the stealth systems.

Either way, I think what happens there is based on shep's willpower/confidence regarding the outcome of their efforts. Aka EMS. 

Stealth cannot be argued by anyone since those systems do not operate in the visible spectrum, all it does is sinks the ships heat emissions.
"If someone looks out a window they would see us"

Then this brings up the question again (which consensus I forgot again) how the Normandy could escape the Destroyer in Vancouver (if it was real).

Out of effective range for the Destroyer? That would be my guess.

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
No matter the case, I'm quite confident that BW added that "Harby watching the Normandy leave" scene so there wouldnt be any doubt that he knew it was there. Otherwise we'd have people writing it off as it being invisible due to the stealth systems.

Either way, I think what happens there is based on shep's willpower/confidence regarding the outcome of their efforts. Aka EMS. 

Stealth cannot be argued by anyone since those systems do not operate in the visible spectrum, all it does is sinks the ships heat emissions.
"If someone looks out a window they would see us"

We all know that, but that wouldnt stop others from writing it off.  People love to author explanations for BW as to why the scenes can be taken at face value. Meanwhile, our speculations and explanations are based on existing lore. Makes you wonder where they get off saying that we're the ones grasping at straws. 

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
No matter the case, I'm quite confident that BW added that "Harby watching the Normandy leave" scene so there wouldnt be any doubt that he knew it was there. Otherwise we'd have people writing it off as it being invisible due to the stealth systems.

Either way, I think what happens there is based on shep's willpower/confidence regarding the outcome of their efforts. Aka EMS. 

Stealth cannot be argued by anyone since those systems do not operate in the visible spectrum, all it does is sinks the ships heat emissions.
"If someone looks out a window they would see us"

Then this brings up the question again (which consensus I forgot again) how the Normandy could escape the Destroyer in Vancouver (if it was real).

Out of effective range for the Destroyer? That would be my guess.

Close enough to where Shep shields his face from the explosion, but out of effective range of the Destroyer?

[DJBare]

EpyonX3 wrote...



At 4:52 you will hear Harbinger's line. This was ripped from the demo.

In that demo it sounds like "help us"; but that's what I thought it was in the EC until I pitch shifted it, it then sounds like "save us", *sigh* I so dislike endings with ambiguity.

[dreamgazer]

paxxton wrote...

So no one sees how Harby is following the Normandy with his eyes?
http://www.youtube.c...Kdfh58UE#t=101s

Yes. I commented on that situation several days ago.

And I think Harbinger---or, more accurately, the catalyst---allowed the Normandy and her crew to go free because destroying them would have driven Shepard towards Reaper extinction (only partly as an act of "vengeance"), whereas allowing them to live makes Shepard think about the world his comrades will live in post-choice.

Harbinger looked at the Normandy.  The ship was in its sights, and it lingered.  On top of that, Shepard and Harbinger looked at one another as well. What some see as a plot hole is actually a plot device in my book, and it'll remain as such until proven otherwise.  I only work with the information I'm given. 

There's intent there, methinks, and it doesn't have to play into indoctrination. The variables had been altered.  The catalyst doesn't want an enraged Shepard making this choice; he wants a weakened, demoralized one, but not one who will be ready to pull the trigger when the option is made available. Weak, demoralized, and thinking of one's surviving comrades can be malleable, to a point that will allow the Reapers to survive. 

I strongly doubt it's an illusion. You have to remember that there's another emotional goodbye during that sequence, one that A LOT of people really, really like in several forms.  Do you really think BioWare will nullify that as a "fake" emotional scene?

In my book, the surreal stuff happens upon Harbinger's blast. That was strengthened with the EC. 

[CheesieOnion]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

Javik - I think - given the same situation would be destroy and damn the consequences. 

Javik would no doubt be Destroy given his view of Synthetics.

But even if he dident chose Destroy would probably lean towards Control and not Synthesis given the Prothean belief on evolution beeing the ultimate force. With Synthesis, if taken face value, evolution would stop as we have supposedly reached the pinnacle of evolution.

I dont think Javik would agree with that.

I also believe he wouldn't choose control. From the Prothean VI Vendetta on Thessia we learn there was a group of Protheans who also tried to control the reapers and failed. So it would be stupid for Javik to choose an option that already proved wrong in his cycle.

[HellishFiend]

dreamgazer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So no one sees how Harby is following the Normandy with his eyes?
http://www.youtube.c...Kdfh58UE#t=101s

Yes. I commented on that situation several days ago.

And I think Harbinger---or, more accurately, the catalyst---allowed the Normandy and her crew to go free because destroying them would have driven Shepard towards Reaper extinction (only partly as an act of "vengeance"), whereas allowing them to live makes Shepard think about the world his comrades will live in post-choice.

Harbinger looked at the Normandy.  The ship was in its sights, and it lingered.  On top of that, Shepard and Harbinger looked at one another as well. What some see as a plot hole is actually a plot device in my book, and it'll remain as such until proven otherwise.  I only work with the information I'm given. 

There's intent there, methinks, and it doesn't have to play into indoctrination. The variables had been altered.  The catalyst doesn't want an enraged Shepard making this choice; he wants a weakened, demoralized one, but not one who will be ready to pull the trigger when the option is made available. Weak, demoralized, and thinking of one's surviving comrades can be malleable, to a point that will allow the Reapers to survive. 

I strongly doubt it's an illusion. You have to remember that there's another emotional goodbye during that sequence, one that A LOT of people really, really like in several forms.  Do you really think BioWare will nullify that as a "fake" emotional scene?

In my book, the surreal stuff happens upon Harbinger's blast. That was strengthened with the EC. 

Care to try explaining away all of the other things wrong with that scene?

[insomniak9]

Sound familiar?

It should do. Oh yeah, it's another of Sheps memories showing up. 

Modifié par insomniak9, 02 juillet 2012 - 07:52 .

[dreamgazer]

HellishFiend wrote...

Care to try explaining away all of the other things wrong with that scene?

I tihnk we've already covered them, and you didn't accept the answers. 

[Criddle]

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