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[HellishFiend]

RavenEyry wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
 I also think that the so called "Dark Energy" ending was an intentional leak intended as a red herring/misdirection to throw off the players so they wouldnt see the real ending coming.

Makes sense to me. People keep saying dark energy was dropped in 3 after being mentioned a few times in 2, but I saw one reference to dark energy and there's probably more I missed/forgot.

There are just too many plot holes in the dark energy ending. Even if it wasnt an intentional leak/misdirection, Bioware no doubt dropped it because they couldnt figure out how to write it. The Reapers are trying to stop the spread of dark energy by encouraging the use of dark energy in new civilizations so they can make more dark energy-using Reapers to try and stop the spread of dark energy? That's the same kind of circular logic that starbrat uses. 

[LazyTechGuy]

So, does the status of Aequitas change after completing the game and getting thrown back to the save point before the Cerberus Base invasion?

Is there any way to tie anything Aequitas-related to the multiple plot flags that we've found in the save after the Destroy ending or the LegendSave file itself? Probably an impossible question since it's probably not on disc and, as far as I know, TSA_383 hasn't yet been able to identify the unknown bits of the LegendSave file.

[a9fc]

I've been dealing with this another way though: Scale.

If you're interested: Why I Feel ME3's Ending is 'Epic Poetic'

Modifié par a9fc, 21 mai 2012 - 05:32 .

[a9fc]

HellishFiend wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
 I also think that the so called "Dark Energy" ending was an intentional leak intended as a red herring/misdirection to throw off the players so they wouldnt see the real ending coming.

Makes sense to me. People keep saying dark energy was dropped in 3 after being mentioned a few times in 2, but I saw one reference to dark energy and there's probably more I missed/forgot.

There are just too many plot holes in the dark energy ending. Even if it wasnt an intentional leak/misdirection, Bioware no doubt dropped it because they couldnt figure out how to write it. The Reapers are trying to stop the spread of dark energy by encouraging the use of dark energy in new civilizations so they can make more dark energy-using Reapers to try and stop the spread of dark energy? That's the same kind of circular logic that starbrat uses. 

That's interesting when you consider how they packaged it such that Dark Energy was going to lead to something in ME3, then it became weirdly absent in ME3.

[HyperGlass]

I just to quickly ask: did anyone hear the vague chimes of Big Ben in the background just before Shepard woke up? I know you've possibly went over it but I just want to make sure.

[HellishFiend]

HyperGlass wrote...

I just to quickly ask: did anyone hear the vague chimes of Big Ben in the background just before Shepard woke up? I know you've possibly went over it but I just want to make sure.

Can't say that I have. Havent seen anyone else mention that, either....

[RavenEyry]

a9fc wrote...

That's interesting when you consider how they packaged it such that Dark Energy was going to lead to something in ME3, then it became weirdly absent in ME3.

But that was my point, it wasn't absent in 3, it just wasn't any more plot important than 2. I feel dark energy was just a world-building thing.

[HyperGlass]

HellishFiend wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

I just to quickly ask: did anyone hear the vague chimes of Big Ben in the background just before Shepard woke up? I know you've possibly went over it but I just want to make sure.

Can't say that I have. Havent seen anyone else mention that, either....

I'm positive I heard a bell chiming but no one has explicitly acknowlaged it.
If you want find a video on Youtube (I suck at linking) where Shepard wakes up and turn your volume up. I'm sure you'll hear it. Shep's not that far from Big Ben.

[HellishFiend]

Can you specify exactly which second you hear it at in this vid?

[HyperGlass]

HellishFiend wrote...



Can you specify exactly which second you hear it at in this vid?

0:03 I think, but increase you volume.

[HellishFiend]

HyperGlass wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...



Can you specify exactly which second you hear it at in this vid?

0:03 I think, but increase you volume.

Now that you mention it, I think I hear something that sounds like a church bell (Does Big Ben make a sound like a church bell?) midway through the 4th second in that vid, halfway through the metal "building settling" sound.

If if is a bell, then the "building settling" sound was no doubt put in there to obscure it and make it harder to hear. 

edit: Yeah, the more I listen to it, the more it does sound like a church-style bell right before the timer goes to the 5th second. 

edit2: Big Ben for comparison: 
 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 21 mai 2012 - 05:55 .

[LazyTechGuy]

To me, it just sounds like metal clanging around.

[HyperGlass]

HellishFiend wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...



Can you specify exactly which second you hear it at in this vid?

0:03 I think, but increase you volume.

Now that you mention it, I think I hear something that sounds like a church bell (Does Big Ben make a sound like a church bell?) midway through the 4th second in that vid, halfway through the metal "building settling" sound.

If if is a bell, then the "building settling" sound was no doubt put in there to obscure it and make it harder to hear. 

edit: Yeah, the more I listen to it, the more it does sound like a church-style bell right before the timer goes to the 5th second. 

Big Ben has a very distinct chime and the beam was established rather close to Parliament so if it were to chime then it would be very noticible however obscured due to the rubble as you say.

[HellishFiend]

It sounds awful echoey to be an ordinary clanging sound....

[RavenEyry]

The chime sounds a little strange because there is a crack in the bell! And know you know!

[delldo]

I hear the clang right between the 4-5 second mark, but it sounds like steel hitting steel more than it sounds like a bell.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Dont know if it is big ben, but there is definetly a chime there.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

draken-heart wrote...

byne wrote...

One thing that has been bugging me recently is the fact that even in the strict literal interpretation of the endings, Shepard has to be at least somewhat indoctrinated for them to make any sense at all.

TIM does not have the power to take over other peoples' bodies and remotely control them. He only has the ability to control indoctrinated people and Reaper husks.

Unless you think TIM is a bloodbender (I've been watching Avatar recently, so bloodbending came to mind), he doesnt have the ability to control people who arent indoctrinated to some degree.

Before you say 'Maybe he was controlling her through her implants,' remember he was also controlling Anderson, who has no implants.

So even if you dont believe in IT, you kind of have to accept that Shep (as well as Anderson to some degree) was indoctrinated for even the literal endings to make any kind of sense.

read the post right above yours, it makes some sense at least.

ME1: Shepard is revealed to be remarkably strong-willed. he/she defeated Saren, which ultimately caused the destruction of Sovereign.
ME2: Shepard became a symbol of the best that humanity has to offer so Harbinger abducts humans to give Shepard a more personal reason to fight the collectors (humanity is Shepard's people so it makes sens to abduct Shepard's Species)
ME3: Reapers attack earth the home planet of humanity, and, if you Chose Earthborn Pre-service history, Shepard.

@hellishfiend: did you actually read the theory (note i said theory, because it fits evidence but i have no proof)?

I see Shep going after the Collectors as directed by TIM(indoc'd), but not entirely because of humanity, because Shep was following "orders", from TIM.

We all must remember that everything we did in ME2, was directed by TIM, and as such, under suspicion of encountering Indoctrinated individuals. We never suspected TIM being under the Reapers control, until ME3.

[HellishFiend]

delldo wrote...

I hear the clang right between the 4-5 second mark, but it sounds like steel hitting steel more than it sounds like a bell.

Big Ben's bell = steel hitting steel, and the shape of a bell causes an echoey effect. Steel hitting steel without some kind of echo chamber does not make a sound like that. 

[OH-UP-THIS!]

a9fc wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
 I also think that the so called "Dark Energy" ending was an intentional leak intended as a red herring/misdirection to throw off the players so they wouldnt see the real ending coming.

Makes sense to me. People keep saying dark energy was dropped in 3 after being mentioned a few times in 2, but I saw one reference to dark energy and there's probably more I missed/forgot.

There are just too many plot holes in the dark energy ending. Even if it wasnt an intentional leak/misdirection, Bioware no doubt dropped it because they couldnt figure out how to write it. The Reapers are trying to stop the spread of dark energy by encouraging the use of dark energy in new civilizations so they can make more dark energy-using Reapers to try and stop the spread of dark energy? That's the same kind of circular logic that starbrat uses. 

That's interesting when you consider how they packaged it such that Dark Energy was going to lead to something in ME3, then it became weirdly absent in ME3.

Hence the 'red herring' reference.

[draken-heart]

ohupthis wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

byne wrote...

One thing that has been bugging me recently is the fact that even in the strict literal interpretation of the endings, Shepard has to be at least somewhat indoctrinated for them to make any sense at all.

TIM does not have the power to take over other peoples' bodies and remotely control them. He only has the ability to control indoctrinated people and Reaper husks.

Unless you think TIM is a bloodbender (I've been watching Avatar recently, so bloodbending came to mind), he doesnt have the ability to control people who arent indoctrinated to some degree.

Before you say 'Maybe he was controlling her through her implants,' remember he was also controlling Anderson, who has no implants.

So even if you dont believe in IT, you kind of have to accept that Shep (as well as Anderson to some degree) was indoctrinated for even the literal endings to make any kind of sense.

read the post right above yours, it makes some sense at least.

ME1: Shepard is revealed to be remarkably strong-willed. he/she defeated Saren, which ultimately caused the destruction of Sovereign.
ME2: Shepard became a symbol of the best that humanity has to offer so Harbinger abducts humans to give Shepard a more personal reason to fight the collectors (humanity is Shepard's people so it makes sens to abduct Shepard's Species)
ME3: Reapers attack earth the home planet of humanity, and, if you Chose Earthborn Pre-service history, Shepard.

@hellishfiend: did you actually read the theory (note i said theory, because it fits evidence but i have no proof)?

I see Shep going after the Collectors as directed by TIM(indoc'd), but not entirely because of humanity, because Shep was following "orders", from TIM.

We all must remember that everything we did in ME2, was directed by TIM, and as such, under suspicion of encountering Indoctrinated individuals. We never suspected TIM being under the Reapers control, until ME3.

i am reading between the lines. of course i know that we are ordered to fight the collectors, but i doubt the alliance or any other council race would have gotten involved if it were terminus turians or batarians getting abducted. i see the whole victims being human thing as a way to get Shepard more emotionally involved in fighting them.

Modifié par draken-heart, 21 mai 2012 - 06:09 .

[HyperGlass]

You would also need to hear Big Ben chiming then. I assure you it sound very similar to the chime heard there(althought distorted and faint). It sounds like the end of the tune.
I'm glad I'm not imagining it ateast.

[HellishFiend]

I edited my earlier post to include a link to Big Ben's chime:

[HyperGlass]

HellishFiend wrote...

I edited my earlier post to include a link to Big Ben's chime:

Sorry but it plays a little tune before it goes into chiming the number of hours. The most epic tune a clock can make anyway. The rubble scene has what I think is just the end of that little tune.

[Wolfram Tarant]

Did anyone see this new interview with Mike Gamble? Nothing too important but he makes it seem like they have a lot of DLC planned.

http://blog.bioware....michael-gamble/

Modifié par Wolfram Tarant, 21 mai 2012 - 06:30 .