[quote]RampantAndroid wrote...
But do we know it's the london rubble? I see no real evidence to substantiate that, because what you're saying is that the ending scenes - ostensibly after Shep is dead - mean nothing.
Further, you're equating the idea that the developers wanted to make you indoctrinated at some point to the idea that you're indoctrinated at the end, which is a bad assumption I think. We do not know how they wanted to use that, if at all. I highly doubt they planned to end the series with a "everything you did was pointless, because now you're indoctrinated and the galaxy will burrnnnnnn." Everyone we've seen who was indoctrinated lost control, and was unable to question their decisions.
Further, everything we know about indoctrination is that it must happen while in close proximity to a reaper/reaper tech - and it takes time. How long did it take for the Cerberus team in ME2 to go insane? Or the Batarians who found Leviathon? Or the team in Arrival? It wasn't instantaneous. Honestly, IT seems a stretch at best - no matter what variation of it you pick. The only curious point I see is where is Shep when the post-credits scene happens? And what did the dreams mean? At BEST I could see that the whole thing was a dream, but not Shep being indoctrinated.[/quote]
The name of the video is SHEP_ALIVE.
Pretty conclusive there. Bioware has CONFIRMED it is both Shepard and he is alive.
Also, the fact that he is surrounded by concrete we have matched to that found in London is pretty conclusive.
Indoctrination is explicitly stated to have two types, Slow, like that which afflicted Saren and TIM, and fast, like that which creates husks. To help you understand, I have dug up this helpful post from long ago;
[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...
As I see it, there are 7 stages of Indoctrination.
The Motor Control Stage, or "Fast" Indoctrination - Fast Indoctrination, in which the synaptic pathways of the entire brain are remapped, completely overwritting both the personality of the individual, as well as lower brain functions, leaving the subject entirely incapable of caring for or defending itself, reducing it to the level of a drooling animal. By this point, the only things it is capable of are receiving commands from the controlling Reaper, and minor bodily and regulatory functions, suck as breathing and other fuctions centered in the Reptillian Brain.
The Subliminal Stage, or Stage 2 Slow -
First contact, the Reaper can begin the process, but there are no symptoms, the subject remains a "carrier" in that either sufficient time to break down their willpower or continued exposure to Indoctrination signals will advance the process to stage 2. Imagine stage one as being similar to a hole being ripped in a piece of Nylon. Give it enough time and it will run on it's own, but if someone pulls at it, it tears faster.
The Subconcious Stage, or Stage 3 Slow -
The Reaper has begun to hijack some of the more minor perception based mental processes and can begin to make it's presence known, auditory hallucinations of whispers and feelings of paranoia begin here, as does the sensation of being watched, bad dreams can also take place.
The Hallucinatory-Preperatory Stage, or Stage 3 Slow - The information processing centers of the brain are entirely under the control of the Reaper by this point, whom can either make the subject perceive ghostly presences, nonexistent beings, and can speak directly to the subject by way of a sort of telepathic hallucination. If there are multiple subjects they may begin to share memories or hallucinations, sometimes even dreams as preperation for integration together as a Reaper Mind.
The Mental Control Stage, or Stage 4a Slow - By this point, the Reaper has now managed to take direct control of the Prefrontal Cortex, maniplulating the personality and personal values of the subject directly, attacking their own sense of ethics in a way they can't argue, as opposed to manipulating their perception of events. Some choose to resist at this stage, rather than simply give in and surrender control, instead retreating into their own minds, entering into a catatonic state, and leaving the Reaper uncontested in his control of the body. This of course is an undesired outcome, since the entire purpose of Slow Indoctrination is to gain the acceptance of the subject, allowing the Reapers to make use of their technical skills and social knowledge, rather than merely using their body.
Indoctrination or Stage 4b Slow - The Reaper, finding itself unable to directly control the personality of the subject finds itself needing to change the subject's acceptance of their veiwpoint, thus moving to true indoctrination, forcing the subject, either through trickery, intimidation or subtle manipulation to accept the Reaper's argument.
Implantation or Stage 5 - The subject has allowed physical implantation of Reaper technology into it's body, either by nanides, which potentially could have been used thus far to speed the process along, or through more traditional implantation. This is also the same stage Husks are at, seeing as they are the results of Fast Indoctrination with Implantation.
Shepard has had far more than enough contact to indoctrinate him 30 times over. The Arch Monolith, the object responsible for the indoctrination of Saren and The Illusive Man, could turn a human being from zero to husk in less than a second. It indoctrinated TIM and Saren via contact from beings who touched the Monolith.
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