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[Arian Dynas]

Andromidius wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

The Geth already had been upgraded. They liked it, he was merely re-upgrading them, and I highly doubt he could have done anything WITHOUT the consesus of the species.

Point.  Though weren't the Geth pretty much mind-slaves while upgraded, and losing the upgrade caused them to be rather confused and disorganised?

Probably leading into a second wave of desperation - only this time the solution comes from one of their own, and not from a Reaper.  Hense why they accepted - no time to find an alternative, and they can get the best of both worlds - upgraded and free.  Its a win-win situation for them.

That and Legion was giving them his OWN code that HE wrote, based off the Reaper code, paring out the parts he didn't care for.

Knowledge is not inherently evil, merely what one does with it.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 03 juillet 2012 - 01:36 .

[Arian Dynas]

Simon_Says wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Actually, the copy he was attempting to transmit was corrupted in transit, he says as much, and the only uncorrupted copy he had was inextricably bound within his runtimes, therefore, a little piece of Legion is within every Geth now.

And yes, Legion could be brought back to life, IF, and only if, each and every single one of the disparate runtimes part of his coding were brought back together in exactly the same configuration, in exactly the same quantum Bluebox as the Legion platform.

It's the same reason why, if an AI is killed, it cannot be brought back, you could copy the same files to a new quantum Bluebox, but each and every bluebox is different and unique, meaning that the electrical pathways, similar to the unique synaptic pathways in each human brain, will be formed differently, leading to something entirely different from the original AI, much like what happened to EDI to begin with. She had the files of the Luna VI, but her Bluebox was different, resulting in a different personality.

Come to think of it, check out the wiki or the codex.

AI's that run on quantum blueboxes like EDI can't be copied or moved outside of their quantum blue box. But neither source says that if the blue box is destroyed that the intelligence within it is unretreivable. People just keep assuming that's the case.

But Shepard suffered brain death, and yet was restored to full functionality. Was it really the same person? Two folks can provide the answer. Grunt possesses memories foreign to his own 'runtime', and explicitly states that though he has knowledge and memories, he does not share any connection with either them or his creator, who probably modelled Grunt after himself. Reaper!Shepard pretty much states outright that Reaper!Shepard and Shepard are seperate entities entirely. Not to mention the obvious change of personality.

Yet Shepard maintains connection with their previous life. No one observes any change of personality. Aside from a minor existential crisis on Cronos, no one doubts that Shepard came back. So apparently fixing the brain can restore the person.

Engage Project Lazarus 2.

Huh.

Intriguing thought, actually.

[RampantAndroid]

 

Andromidius wrote...

Its even weirder that Shepard doesn't even ask why the Catalyst took that form.  Or even give any indication of suprise at the situation.

Another sure sign that something is wrong.

 

We're talking about the team that based the ending of ME3 on a reaper off switch, and didn't allow the other writers to have input on the ending. To me, that's enough to tell me the reason behind the lack of an investigate -> "why are you that kid" is simply poor writing. It's certainly curious, but not really amiss, IMO.

jgibson14352 wrote...

no, youre contradicting yourself. you yourself stated the answer to this, indoctrination works through proximity. just because youre on the same planet as a reaper it doesnt mean you will be indoctrinated, you have to be close.

Thanks for agreeing with the point I made earlier. Benezia's commandos were indoc'ed because they travelled with Soverign. Shep is not in close proximity to any reapers in ME3, not during the game, or at the end.

comrade gando wrote...

ok then why would he turn into harbinger it sounds like and be like SO BE IT... then turn back into the child and be like the cycle continues rofl /shrug

 

He doesn't turn into harbinger. He has an ominous "well, I offered you so much and you turned it down, to heck with you" voice. Go listened to the two audio clips, not even the same voice actor. He's meant to sound angry, as near as I can tell. I mean, why would harbinger be annoyed you decided to take no action? That'd play right into his hand...

Modifié par RampantAndroid, 03 juillet 2012 - 01:39 .

[boeloe]

Andromidius wrote...

boeloe wrote...

There are 2 options:
1. reapers planted image of child in Shepards brain
2. reapers took image of child from Shepards brain

I can think of two (crazy) other options:

3/ Shepard is crazy and is seeing things - the Catalyst looks like a floating squid brain really.
4/ The Destroyer that killed the child in the shuttle took pictures and noticed Shepard's facial expression before passing it onto the Catalyst.  The Catalyst then uses the image as a gambit manipulation.  The dreams are coincidence.

Both are pretty crazy and weak.  Your two options are the most likely, though I lean towards #1.

I don't know, now that you mentioned option 3

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

The Geth already had been upgraded. They liked it, he was merely re-upgrading them, and I highly doubt he could have done anything WITHOUT the consesus of the species.

Point.  Though weren't the Geth pretty much mind-slaves while upgraded, and losing the upgrade caused them to be rather confused and disorganised?

Probably leading into a second wave of desperation - only this time the solution comes from one of their own, and not from a Reaper.  Hense why they accepted - no time to find an alternative, and they can get the best of both worlds - upgraded and free.  Its a win-win situation for them.

I suppose it would hinge on whether or not they were self-aware while under the influence of the Reaper signal. My guess is that they werent. They are computer programs after all. Legion was the only one that was both sentient and self aware up until he distributed the upgrade along with his "personality" to the entire consensus. 

Well, according to Legion, the Geth WERE self-aware and stil intelligent, but slowly becoming less so with every death.

Think of every Geth as a neuron. The Geth Species was intelligent and self-aware, but the Geth as individuals were not, but either way, the Geth were basically on the ropes, and Legion was calling in the towel.

[Andromidius]

Arian Dynas wrote...
That and Legion was giving them his OWN code that HE wrote, based off the Reaper code, paring out the parts he didn't care for.

Knowledge is not inherently evil, merely what one does with it.

True dat.  Just clarifying it all for myself.

I suppose the same is true of Reaper technology.  Inherently its not going to cause indoctrination - but many of their artifacts and creations are designed to do so in addition to their primary function.  So weapons and equipment reverse engineered from Reaper tech should be safe, so long as the indoctrination causing elements aren't replicated as well.

[Andromidius]

RampantAndroid wrote...

We're talking about the team that based the ending of ME3 on a reaper off switch, and didn't allow the other writers to have input on the ending. To me, that's enough to tell me the reason behind the lack of an investigate -> "why are you that kid" is simply poor writing. It's certainly curious, but not really amiss, IMO.

Though it doesn't explain why they didn't add it in the EC, despite adding other investigate options.

Thanks for agreeing with the point I made earlier. Benezia's commandos were indoc'ed because they travelled with Soverign. Shep is not in close proximity to any reapers in ME3, not during the game, or at the end.

Bar the Reaper on Tunchunka.  And the Reaper on Rannoch.  And the Reapers on Earth.  And a large variety of Husky forces and Reaper artifacts recovered.  And the dead Reaper on Cronos Station.

Plenty of Reaper contact, even just in ME3.  Let's not even get into ME1 and ME2...

[BleedingUranium]

Andromidius wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
That and Legion was giving them his OWN code that HE wrote, based off the Reaper code, paring out the parts he didn't care for.

Knowledge is not inherently evil, merely what one does with it.

True dat.  Just clarifying it all for myself.

I suppose the same is true of Reaper technology.  Inherently its not going to cause indoctrination - but many of their artifacts and creations are designed to do so in addition to their primary function.  So weapons and equipment reverse engineered from Reaper tech should be safe, so long as the indoctrination causing elements aren't replicated as well.

Right. Let's pretend instead that the Reapers wrote a book. The physical book, being Reaper tech, would most likely indoctrinate, but if Legion copy-pasted all the writing from that book to a different physical book, that he made himself, there would be nothing wrong with it. He then alters sections of said book to his liking.

[BleedingUranium]

Andromidius wrote...

RampantAndroid wrote...

We're talking about the team that based the ending of ME3 on a reaper off switch, and didn't allow the other writers to have input on the ending. To me, that's enough to tell me the reason behind the lack of an investigate -> "why are you that kid" is simply poor writing. It's certainly curious, but not really amiss, IMO.

Though it doesn't explain why they didn't add it in the EC, despite adding other investigate options.

Thanks for agreeing with the point I made earlier. Benezia's commandos were indoc'ed because they travelled with Soverign. Shep is not in close proximity to any reapers in ME3, not during the game, or at the end.

Bar the Reaper on Tunchunka.  And the Reaper on Rannoch.  And the Reapers on Earth.  And a large variety of Husky forces and Reaper artifacts recovered.  And the dead Reaper on Cronos Station.

Plenty of Reaper contact, even just in ME3.  Let's not even get into ME1 and ME2...

Shepard has definitely been around more Reapers and Reaper tech than any other (so far) non-indoctrinated living being in this cycle

[Arian Dynas]

RampantAndroid wrote...

 

Andromidius wrote...

Its even weirder that Shepard doesn't even ask why the Catalyst took that form.  Or even give any indication of suprise at the situation.

Another sure sign that something is wrong.

 

We're talking about the team that based the ending of ME3 on a reaper off switch, and didn't allow the other writers to have input on the ending. To me, that's enough to tell me the reason behind the lack of an investigate -> "why are you that kid" is simply poor writing. It's certainly curious, but not really amiss, IMO.

The entire team chipped in on the endings, the idea that only Casey and Mac wrote the ending in a closeted room is not only patently rediculous and stupid, it has also been unilaterally denied by Bioware, including the entire set of statements SUPPOSEDLY made by Patrick Weekes, which have since been long deleted, and have never been substantiated. In fact, we can't even find anyone with a screencapture of the thing.

And of course, IT assumes the Crucible has yet to fire. One of the more popular theories around here is that the Crucible is in fact the power source for the Citadel Mass Relay, as well as as sort of massive Reaper gas-station, which we then could potentially jerry-rig into a single gigantic Mass Accelerator Cannon as a conventional superweapon. Others can fill you in on the details if you are interested.

RampantAndroid wrote... 

jgibson14352 wrote...

no, youre contradicting yourself. you yourself stated the answer to this, indoctrination works through proximity. just because youre on the same planet as a reaper it doesnt mean you will be indoctrinated, you have to be close.

Thanks for agreeing with the point I made earlier. Benezia's commandos were indoc'ed because they travelled with Soverign. Shep is not in close proximity to any reapers in ME3, not during the game, or at the end.

Reaper indoctrination only requires first exposure to begin, after that point, the Reaper has a mental "in" and can reach you from anywhere. See: Collector General.

RampantAndroid wrote... 

comrade gando wrote...

ok then why would he turn into harbinger it sounds like and be like SO BE IT... then turn back into the child and be like the cycle continues rofl /shrug

 

He doesn't turn into harbinger. He has an ominous "well, I offered you so much and you turned it down, to heck with you" voice. Go listened to the two audio clips, not even the same voice actor. He's meant to sound angry, as near as I can tell. I mean, why would harbinger be annoyed you decided to take no action? That'd play right into his hand...

He would be angry at your defiance, but even MORE angry at the fact that not only did you defy him, you wasted his time. If you were the Commander Shepard he sought, you would not be paralyzed by indescision, denying all your choices and instead becoming a conctientious objector, you would have taken action of SOME kind.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 03 juillet 2012 - 01:48 .

[Turbo_J]

jgibson14352 wrote...

RampantAndroid wrote...


Yeah - Shiala only broke free due to the Thorian. Again, you're confirming indoc needed to happen prior to ME3. If it's so simple to become indoc by just fighting the reaper forces, then all of earth, palavan, thessia and such would be done already.

As for the prothean VIs, you're using one theory to back another theory up. This doesn't seem wise.

no, youre contradicting yourself. you yourself stated the answer to this, indoctrination works through proximity. just because youre on the same planet as a reaper it doesnt mean you will be indoctrinated, you have to be close.

Proximity matters to a point, but once the process is started; even partial indoctrination - not full on submission, it continues to wear away at the victims strength of will. Rana was subjected for a long time, so was undoubtedly affected, but did not exhibiting signs (slow indoctrination). Even without being around Reaper tech much (she did have contact on a minor level in ME2 if you want to read in to 'exposure', but we can only infer that.). As soon as the Reapers entered the galaxy she became quite an easy target though.

Once started, the process of indoctrination alters the synaptic pathways of the brain. It literally rewrites brain functions... I don't think the Reapers need to be near by for that part of the process to slowly continue over time... that or it goes into hiatus until the victim is exposed to reaper tech again, but I don't think so. I'm sure this can be countered to a degree, but for how long? And can it be countered permanently if a persons will is really that strong? If the will is strong enough to delay the process, it may even be possible to 'ignore' the changes and retain ones original personality, morals, etc... just like 'Grunt's' reaper tech lets him 'ignore' the Genophage. But with constant exposure to full on Reapers, could someone really hold out forever? It's very unlikely.

I think maybe the Neural Decay planet needs to be investigated. Maybe it is the secret cure right under our noses.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 03 juillet 2012 - 01:54 .

[CoolioThane]

Still...why not, instead of coming onto this thread and say how we are all wrong and that we must all be stupid for even thinking about IT, you allow us to stick with how we feel and our interpretation of the ending, and you stick with yours

Yours is right to you, ours is right to us, and the IT could easily become canon in the future when Bioware release the IT DLC, which they most certainly should! At which point you will be proven to be indoctrinated xD

Or, if absolutely no IT DLC is released we keep it in headcanon as Bioware said they wouldn't deny it Win/win/win for everyone xD

[BansheeOwnage]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

RampantAndroid wrote...

We're talking about the team that based the ending of ME3 on a reaper off switch, and didn't allow the other writers to have input on the ending. To me, that's enough to tell me the reason behind the lack of an investigate -> "why are you that kid" is simply poor writing. It's certainly curious, but not really amiss, IMO.

Though it doesn't explain why they didn't add it in the EC, despite adding other investigate options.

Thanks for agreeing with the point I made earlier. Benezia's commandos were indoc'ed because they travelled with Soverign. Shep is not in close proximity to any reapers in ME3, not during the game, or at the end.

Bar the Reaper on Tunchunka.  And the Reaper on Rannoch.  And the Reapers on Earth.  And a large variety of Husky forces and Reaper artifacts recovered.  And the dead Reaper on Cronos Station.

Plenty of Reaper contact, even just in ME3.  Let's not even get into ME1 and ME2...

Shepard has definitely been around more Reapers and Reaper tech than any other (so far) non-indoctrinated living being in this cycle

Hey Blur there's an ending slide with Rachni on Tuchanka only if you don't cure the genophage. Not sure what to make of that.

[HellishFiend]

CoolioThane wrote...

Still...why not, instead of coming onto this thread and say how we are all wrong and that we must all be stupid for even thinking about IT, you allow us to stick with how we feel and our interpretation of the ending, and you stick with yours

Yours is right to you, ours is right to us, and the IT could easily become canon in the future when Bioware release the IT DLC, which they most certainly should! At which point you will be proven to be indoctrinated xD

Or, if absolutely no IT DLC is released we keep it in headcanon as Bioware said they wouldn't deny it Win/win/win for everyone xD

I agree with you except for that last bit. I think even the literalists lose out by an ending that stays literal. There are enough games out there with shallow storylines. They should allow Bioware to show them how powerful a truly deep interactive storyline can be. 

[TJBartlemus]

Okay, 200 pages in about 4 days. What have I missed? Anything big??

[Big_Boss9]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

RampantAndroid wrote...

We're talking about the team that based the ending of ME3 on a reaper off switch, and didn't allow the other writers to have input on the ending. To me, that's enough to tell me the reason behind the lack of an investigate -> "why are you that kid" is simply poor writing. It's certainly curious, but not really amiss, IMO.

Though it doesn't explain why they didn't add it in the EC, despite adding other investigate options.

Thanks for agreeing with the point I made earlier. Benezia's commandos were indoc'ed because they travelled with Soverign. Shep is not in close proximity to any reapers in ME3, not during the game, or at the end.

Bar the Reaper on Tunchunka.  And the Reaper on Rannoch.  And the Reapers on Earth.  And a large variety of Husky forces and Reaper artifacts recovered.  And the dead Reaper on Cronos Station.

Plenty of Reaper contact, even just in ME3.  Let's not even get into ME1 and ME2...

Shepard has definitely been around more Reapers and Reaper tech than any other (so far) non-indoctrinated living being in this cycle

Hey Blur there's an ending slide with Rachni on Tuchanka only if you don't cure the genophage. Not sure what to make of that.

What I took from that was without the genophage cured, the Rachni pushed the Krogan off their own homeworld (and probably wiped them out entirely in the process)

[Arian Dynas]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Okay, 200 pages in about 4 days. What have I missed? Anything big??

Just 200 pages describing my robust virility and succusses with women.  

[Arian Dynas]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

RampantAndroid wrote...

We're talking about the team that based the ending of ME3 on a reaper off switch, and didn't allow the other writers to have input on the ending. To me, that's enough to tell me the reason behind the lack of an investigate -> "why are you that kid" is simply poor writing. It's certainly curious, but not really amiss, IMO.

Though it doesn't explain why they didn't add it in the EC, despite adding other investigate options.

Thanks for agreeing with the point I made earlier. Benezia's commandos were indoc'ed because they travelled with Soverign. Shep is not in close proximity to any reapers in ME3, not during the game, or at the end.

Bar the Reaper on Tunchunka.  And the Reaper on Rannoch.  And the Reapers on Earth.  And a large variety of Husky forces and Reaper artifacts recovered.  And the dead Reaper on Cronos Station.

Plenty of Reaper contact, even just in ME3.  Let's not even get into ME1 and ME2...

Shepard has definitely been around more Reapers and Reaper tech than any other (so far) non-indoctrinated living being in this cycle

Hey Blur there's an ending slide with Rachni on Tuchanka only if you don't cure the genophage. Not sure what to make of that.

What I took from that was without the genophage cured, the Rachni pushed the Krogan off their own homeworld (and probably wiped them out entirely in the process)

And now the shoe is on the other foot.

[TJBartlemus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

What I took from that was without the genophage cured, the Rachni pushed the Krogan off their own homeworld (and probably wiped them out entirely in the process)

And now the shoe is on the other foot.

Wait the Rachni homeworld is Tuchanka?? Where did I miss that?

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Still...why not, instead of coming onto this thread and say how we are all wrong and that we must all be stupid for even thinking about IT, you allow us to stick with how we feel and our interpretation of the ending, and you stick with yours

Yours is right to you, ours is right to us, and the IT could easily become canon in the future when Bioware release the IT DLC, which they most certainly should! At which point you will be proven to be indoctrinated xD

Or, if absolutely no IT DLC is released we keep it in headcanon as Bioware said they wouldn't deny it Win/win/win for everyone xD

I agree with you except for that last bit. I think even the literalists lose out by an ending that stays literal. There are enough games out there with shallow storylines. They should allow Bioware to show them how powerful a truly deep interactive storyline can be. 

I still don't think you can have literal endings if the ME universe is going to continue. You can't. Shep's story arc is to end, not ME. What the hell are they going to do make 3 + 1(Reject) different games to cover the divergence.

There is only one canon... so what could that possibly be that comes closest to defeating the reapers once and for all?

[BansheeOwnage]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

RampantAndroid wrote...

We're talking about the team that based the ending of ME3 on a reaper off switch, and didn't allow the other writers to have input on the ending. To me, that's enough to tell me the reason behind the lack of an investigate -> "why are you that kid" is simply poor writing. It's certainly curious, but not really amiss, IMO.

Though it doesn't explain why they didn't add it in the EC, despite adding other investigate options.

Thanks for agreeing with the point I made earlier. Benezia's commandos were indoc'ed because they travelled with Soverign. Shep is not in close proximity to any reapers in ME3, not during the game, or at the end.

Bar the Reaper on Tunchunka.  And the Reaper on Rannoch.  And the Reapers on Earth.  And a large variety of Husky forces and Reaper artifacts recovered.  And the dead Reaper on Cronos Station.

Plenty of Reaper contact, even just in ME3.  Let's not even get into ME1 and ME2...

Shepard has definitely been around more Reapers and Reaper tech than any other (so far) non-indoctrinated living being in this cycle

Hey Blur there's an ending slide with Rachni on Tuchanka only if you don't cure the genophage. Not sure what to make of that.

What I took from that was without the genophage cured, the Rachni pushed the Krogan off their own homeworld (and probably wiped them out entirely in the process)

And now the shoe is on the other foot.

Is that telling us that we shouldn't trust the Rachni? That seems anti-lore/themes. You know, like the rest of the ending.

[BansheeOwnage]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

What I took from that was without the genophage cured, the Rachni pushed the Krogan off their own homeworld (and probably wiped them out entirely in the process)

And now the shoe is on the other foot.

Wait the Rachni homeworld is Tuchanka?? Where did I miss that?

It's not their homeworld though that's another weird part.
Edit: I'll be back soon. Discuss.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 03 juillet 2012 - 02:05 .

[Rifneno]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Play DA2. And watch the reaction frmo the tranquil made after he termporarily gains sanity from being tranquil. The dude begs u to kill him. And when he goes to being tranquil again... he is like nothing happened.

Would you believe there were threads with people complaining that they couldn't stop Anders from "murdering that poor tranquil guy"? Their logic, and I use that term loosely, was that real Karl and tranquil Karl were different people and "murdering" tranquil Karl wouldn't bring back real Karl so what's the point. I am rarely rendered speechless, but holy ****, what do you even say to that? I didn't know it was even possible for a sentient creature to miss the point of a story so badly. You could read Moby Dick, take away from it "whales are murderous bastards and we should hunt them to extinction" and still be closer to the moral of the story than those guys were.

Andromidius wrote...

Isn't it just as likely that he is saying Serve Us, and other Reapers were as well? It might be a part of their indoctrination tactics - demanding that people fall to their knees in service to their Reaper overlords.

This. "I'm surprised the IT'ers haven't found that 'serve us/save us' line yet." "Stick it on Harbinger, they'll notice it then."

Arian Dynas wrote...

And note that all three of them require Shepard to die.

Martyr complex much there John?

Serious LOL's.

paxxton wrote...

Is there a way to save Legion? If not, Tali should die too.

First sentence: No.
Second sentence: It was nice knowing you. We'll try to give you a nice grave if the Talimancers leave anything to bury.

[jgibson14352]

Turbo_J wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

RampantAndroid wrote...


Yeah - Shiala only broke free due to the Thorian. Again, you're confirming indoc needed to happen prior to ME3. If it's so simple to become indoc by just fighting the reaper forces, then all of earth, palavan, thessia and such would be done already.

As for the prothean VIs, you're using one theory to back another theory up. This doesn't seem wise.

no, youre contradicting yourself. you yourself stated the answer to this, indoctrination works through proximity. just because youre on the same planet as a reaper it doesnt mean you will be indoctrinated, you have to be close.

Proximity matters to a point, but once the process is started; even partial indoctrination - not full on submission, it continues to wear away at the victims strength of will. Rana was subjected for a long time, so was undoubtedly affected, but did not exhibiting signs (slow indoctrination). Even without being around Reaper tech much (she did have contact on a minor level in ME2 if you want to read in to 'exposure', but we can only infer that.). As soon as the Reapers entered the galaxy she became quite an easy target though.

Once started, the process of indoctrination alters the synaptic pathways of the brain. It literally rewrites brain functions... I don't think the Reapers need to be near by for that part of the process to slowly continue over time... that or it goes into hiatus until the victim is exposed to reaper tech again, but I don't think so. I'm sure this can be countered to a degree, but for how long? And can it be countered permanently if a persons will is really that strong? If the will is strong enough to delay the process, it may even be possible to 'ignore' the changes and retain ones original personality, morals, etc... just like 'Grunt's' reaper tech lets him 'ignore' the Genophage. But with constant exposure to full on Reapers, could someone really hold out forever? It's very unlikely.

I think maybe the Neural Decay planet needs to be investigated. Maybe it is the secret cure right under our noses.

from what ive seen of indoctrination, it gets worse from reaper tech, and never goes away. every indoctrinated example says they can still hear the voices, the only ones who are ever "cured" are the ones who either gain or already have a capacity to ignore it. id imagine the victim would always hear voices as long as the signal was being transmitted, but the voices would get louder and harder to ignore the more exposure the victim had. the rapid indoctrination destroys the mind, but can achieve the reapers short term goals, and long term can be broken once the unaltered conscious realizes whats going on, in the case of saren and the illlusive man.
i imagine that shepard, and his unnaturally strong will wouldnt be able to resist forever, at some point there would have to be that confrontation, and i personally believe thats exactly what the current endings are, shepards confrontation with his indoctrination, and his ultimate triumph.
good point with the natural decay, who knows, it seems like log term memory loss would render long term indoc pretty useless

Modifié par jgibson14352, 03 juillet 2012 - 02:10 .

[TJBartlemus]

Turbo_J wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Still...why not, instead of coming onto this thread and say how we are all wrong and that we must all be stupid for even thinking about IT, you allow us to stick with how we feel and our interpretation of the ending, and you stick with yours

Yours is right to you, ours is right to us, and the IT could easily become canon in the future when Bioware release the IT DLC, which they most certainly should! At which point you will be proven to be indoctrinated xD

Or, if absolutely no IT DLC is released we keep it in headcanon as Bioware said they wouldn't deny it Win/win/win for everyone xD

I agree with you except for that last bit. I think even the literalists lose out by an ending that stays literal. There are enough games out there with shallow storylines. They should allow Bioware to show them how powerful a truly deep interactive storyline can be. 

I still don't think you can have literal endings if the ME universe is going to continue. You can't. Shep's story arc is to end, not ME. What the hell are they going to do make 3 + 1(Reject) different games to cover the divergence.

There is only one canon... so what could that possibly be that comes closest to defeating the reapers once and for all?

YES!! Someone gets it!!  BioWare has to choose a canon ending like with all rpg game series (Kotor for example with TOR). Destroy is the only ending that is vague enough to continue on but with a good enough ending to not fundimentally change everything that people already know in the ME universe.