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[RampantAndroid]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Shepard has definitely been around more Reapers and Reaper tech than any other (so far) non-indoctrinated living being in this cycle

I disagree. He didn't live on a reaper ship studying it. 

[CoolioThane]

HellishFiend wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Still...why not, instead of coming onto this thread and say how we are all wrong and that we must all be stupid for even thinking about IT, you allow us to stick with how we feel and our interpretation of the ending, and you stick with yours

Yours is right to you, ours is right to us, and the IT could easily become canon in the future when Bioware release the IT DLC, which they most certainly should! At which point you will be proven to be indoctrinated xD

Or, if absolutely no IT DLC is released we keep it in headcanon as Bioware said they wouldn't deny it Win/win/win for everyone xD

I agree with you except for that last bit. I think even the literalists lose out by an ending that stays literal. There are enough games out there with shallow storylines. They should allow Bioware to show them how powerful a truly deep interactive storyline can be. 

That's a fair point, it's not a win at all. It's a loss for everyone...except the people who LOVE the endings now...probably people who were new to the series in ME3 and played Action mode 

[Big_Boss9]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

What I took from that was without the genophage cured, the Rachni pushed the Krogan off their own homeworld (and probably wiped them out entirely in the process)

And now the shoe is on the other foot.

Wait the Rachni homeworld is Tuchanka?? Where did I miss that?

No, I meant it looked like the Rachni kicked the Krogan of the Krogan homeworld. Sorry if my sentence wasn't clear.

[jgibson14352]

RampantAndroid wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Shepard has definitely been around more Reapers and Reaper tech than any other (so far) non-indoctrinated living being in this cycle

I disagree. He didn't live on a reaper ship studying it. 

what? Dr. Chandana was super indoctrinated if thats what youre referring to. he was listening to microscope slides while his team shared memories and saw phantoms flying out of walls. and they also became husks.

[CoolioThane]

RampantAndroid wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Shepard has definitely been around more Reapers and Reaper tech than any other (so far) non-indoctrinated living being in this cycle

I disagree. He didn't live on a reaper ship studying it. 

No but he was sedated for two whole days in incredibly close proximity to Artifact Rho...you cannot deny that. We have no knowledge of what happened in those two days...

[HellishFiend]

CoolioThane wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Still...why not, instead of coming onto this thread and say how we are all wrong and that we must all be stupid for even thinking about IT, you allow us to stick with how we feel and our interpretation of the ending, and you stick with yours

Yours is right to you, ours is right to us, and the IT could easily become canon in the future when Bioware release the IT DLC, which they most certainly should! At which point you will be proven to be indoctrinated xD

Or, if absolutely no IT DLC is released we keep it in headcanon as Bioware said they wouldn't deny it Win/win/win for everyone xD

I agree with you except for that last bit. I think even the literalists lose out by an ending that stays literal. There are enough games out there with shallow storylines. They should allow Bioware to show them how powerful a truly deep interactive storyline can be. 

That's a fair point, it's not a win at all. It's a loss for everyone...except the people who LOVE the endings now...probably people who were new to the series in ME3 and played Action mode 

That, or are simply too young to know a good story from a bad one.  

[RampantAndroid]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Still...why not, instead of coming onto this thread and say how we are all wrong and that we must all be stupid for even thinking about IT, you allow us to stick with how we feel and our interpretation of the ending, and you stick with yours

Yours is right to you, ours is right to us, and the IT could easily become canon in the future when Bioware release the IT DLC, which they most certainly should! At which point you will be proven to be indoctrinated xD

Or, if absolutely no IT DLC is released we keep it in headcanon as Bioware said they wouldn't deny it Win/win/win for everyone xD

I agree with you except for that last bit. I think even the literalists lose out by an ending that stays literal. There are enough games out there with shallow storylines. They should allow Bioware to show them how powerful a truly deep interactive storyline can be. 

I still don't think you can have literal endings if the ME universe is going to continue. You can't. Shep's story arc is to end, not ME. What the hell are they going to do make 3 + 1(Reject) different games to cover the divergence.

There is only one canon... so what could that possibly be that comes closest to defeating the reapers once and for all?

YES!! Someone gets it!!  BioWare has to choose a canon ending like with all rpg game series (Kotor for example with TOR). Destroy is the only ending that is vague enough to continue on but with a good enough ending to not fundimentally change everything that people already know in the ME universe.

Honestly, I think (and hope) Mass Effect has run its course, really. I don't want to see any more games from there for a long time if ever again. It's a great universe, and given I think ME1 was the best game, I don't want to see the series eroded any further. Even reject ends with Buzz Aldrin saying "eventually we got them!" All endings lead to the reapers no longer being hell bent on destroying all life, in some way. My thoughts on IT are basically "you're overthinking this" - similar to the people wanting a happy ending scene with Shep and the LI together. Knowing that he actually lived WOULD be nice, and I dislike the endings immensley largely for the ambiguity, but it's done. Some new DLC may help explain other things but that's it.

Shep took some action against the reapers, and if you did destroy with enough EMS you lived. End of story until Bioware says otherwise.

[Big_Boss9]

CoolioThane wrote...

RampantAndroid wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Shepard has definitely been around more Reapers and Reaper tech than any other (so far) non-indoctrinated living being in this cycle

I disagree. He didn't live on a reaper ship studying it. 

No but he was sedated for two whole days in incredibly close proximity to Artifact Rho...you cannot deny that. We have no knowledge of what happened in those two days...

That's true, however I was always of the opinion that his clearly heavy sedation prevented any indoctrination. Otherwise, Shep would not have gone through with the asteroid activation. In hindsight, perhaps the sedation prevented immediate indoctrination, but instead began the slower process that needled at him all throughout ME3.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 03 juillet 2012 - 02:19 .

[masster blaster]

Andromidius wrote...

RampantAndroid wrote...

No, the catalyst appears as the child. You do not know that the catalyst is the child. You've never had a recurring nightmare? Is the kid suspicious? Yes - the way he goes poof on Earth, then re-appears a bit later is odd, but there is never any line that says "btw, the kid you've been dreaming about was me the whole time!" (queue inception music.)

Its even weirder that Shepard doesn't even ask why the Catalyst took that form.  Or even give any indication of suprise at the situation.

Another sure sign that something is wrong.

Oh and shouldn't Shepard ask why did you make me kill Anderson and if you were Controling the Illusive Man then why do this if you wanted my help.

Also I would say we forge our own future with out you and the Reapers , and maybe more will die just to kill you all but by the end of it. If one of us Organcis or Synthetics lives once this War is over

Also Shepard should have ask but Why can't I become an Ai like you and why do you want my Gentic Material plus add your Reaper codes into everyone in Synthesis.

Catalyst respons: SO BE IT!

[jgibson14352]

RampantAndroid wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Still...why not, instead of coming onto this thread and say how we are all wrong and that we must all be stupid for even thinking about IT, you allow us to stick with how we feel and our interpretation of the ending, and you stick with yours

Yours is right to you, ours is right to us, and the IT could easily become canon in the future when Bioware release the IT DLC, which they most certainly should! At which point you will be proven to be indoctrinated xD

Or, if absolutely no IT DLC is released we keep it in headcanon as Bioware said they wouldn't deny it Win/win/win for everyone xD

I agree with you except for that last bit. I think even the literalists lose out by an ending that stays literal. There are enough games out there with shallow storylines. They should allow Bioware to show them how powerful a truly deep interactive storyline can be. 

I still don't think you can have literal endings if the ME universe is going to continue. You can't. Shep's story arc is to end, not ME. What the hell are they going to do make 3 + 1(Reject) different games to cover the divergence.

There is only one canon... so what could that possibly be that comes closest to defeating the reapers once and for all?

YES!! Someone gets it!!  BioWare has to choose a canon ending like with all rpg game series (Kotor for example with TOR). Destroy is the only ending that is vague enough to continue on but with a good enough ending to not fundimentally change everything that people already know in the ME universe.

Honestly, I think (and hope) Mass Effect has run its course, really. I don't want to see any more games from there for a long time if ever again. It's a great universe, and given I think ME1 was the best game, I don't want to see the series eroded any further. Even reject ends with Buzz Aldrin saying "eventually we got them!" All endings lead to the reapers no longer being hell bent on destroying all life, in some way. My thoughts on IT are basically "you're overthinking this" - similar to the people wanting a happy ending scene with Shep and the LI together. Knowing that he actually lived WOULD be nice, and I dislike the endings immensley largely for the ambiguity, but it's done. Some new DLC may help explain other things but that's it.

Shep took some action against the reapers, and if you did destroy with enough EMS you lived. End of story until Bioware says otherwise.

this is a forum dedicated to people who want to see more of the ME universe, if you want that to be the end of it, take the EC at face value and enjoy whatever headcanon you came up with, i dont know why youre commenting on this thread, you obvioulsy do not know enough about the ME universe and the games to show you even care about it. no, the reject ending doesnt have Buzz Aldrin at all, and no the female stargazer doesnt say anything along those lines.
everything youve posted has had some serious inaccuracies, showing that you dont know/care enough to be post on this thread and be taken seriously. your opinion is legitimate, and youre welcome to it. this thread is for discussion of something else entirely, and if you wish to discuss whether or not bioware should have an ending fitting of an amazing series, create your own thread, but please dont trash ours

[Turbo_J]

jgibson14352 wrote...

RampantAndroid wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Shepard has definitely been around more Reapers and Reaper tech than any other (so far) non-indoctrinated living being in this cycle

I disagree. He didn't live on a reaper ship studying it. 

what? Dr. Chandana was super indoctrinated if thats what youre referring to. he was listening to microscope slides while his team shared memories and saw phantoms flying out of walls. and they also became husks.

Ummm BOLD above, is Chandana alive? Any other with the kind of exposure Shep has endured that is NOT indoctrinated, still alive?

[CoolioThane]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

RampantAndroid wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Shepard has definitely been around more Reapers and Reaper tech than any other (so far) non-indoctrinated living being in this cycle

I disagree. He didn't live on a reaper ship studying it. 

No but he was sedated for two whole days in incredibly close proximity to Artifact Rho...you cannot deny that. We have no knowledge of what happened in those two days...

That's true, however I was always of the opinion that his clearly heavy sedation prevented any indoctrination. Otherwise, Shep would not have gone through with the asteroid activation. In hindsight, perhaps the sedation prevented immediate indoctrination, but instead began the slower process that needled at him all throughout ME3.

I don't see why sedation would stop the beginnings of indoc? Shep has a strong will and that's what stopped him from being indoctrinated during that time.

Grayson managed to fight off major effects of indoctrination whilst awake easily, and the Reapers got footholds whilst he was sleeping IIRC until TIM got him high on Red Sand...leaving his mind open, similar to sleep?

[jgibson14352]

Turbo_J wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

RampantAndroid wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Shepard has definitely been around more Reapers and Reaper tech than any other (so far) non-indoctrinated living being in this cycle

I disagree. He didn't live on a reaper ship studying it. 

what? Dr. Chandana was super indoctrinated if thats what youre referring to. he was listening to microscope slides while his team shared memories and saw phantoms flying out of walls. and they also became husks.

Ummm BOLD above, is Chandana alive? Any other with the kind of exposure Shep has endured that is NOT indoctrinated, still alive?

no, i was assuming that was what rampant was talking about, trust me i know my ME universe. nobody BUT chandana ever studied a reaper ship, minus the batarian scientist that balak straight up told us were indoctrinated, and eventually turned against the Hedgemony

Modifié par jgibson14352, 03 juillet 2012 - 02:29 .

[Andromidius]

Arian Dynas wrote...

And of course, IT assumes the Crucible has yet to fire. One of the more popular theories around here is that the Crucible is in fact the power source for the Citadel Mass Relay, as well as as sort of massive Reaper gas-station, which we then could potentially jerry-rig into a single gigantic Mass Accelerator Cannon as a conventional superweapon. Others can fill you in on the details if you are interested.

That just gave me the funny idea that the Crucible is actually just a battery for the Citadel, and the Reapers leave the plans around for Organics to find so they can recharge the Citadel every 50,000 years.  And does nothing else.

So basically we're just refueling the Reapers' space station for them.

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

That just gave me the funny idea that the Crucible is actually just a battery for the Citadel, and the Reapers leave the plans around for Organics to find so they can recharge the Citadel every 50,000 years.  And does nothing else.

So basically we're just refueling the Reapers' space station for them.

No wonder Javik hates them so much.  They usurped his position as Master Troll.

[TJBartlemus]

Andromidius wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

And of course, IT assumes the Crucible has yet to fire. One of the more popular theories around here is that the Crucible is in fact the power source for the Citadel Mass Relay, as well as as sort of massive Reaper gas-station, which we then could potentially jerry-rig into a single gigantic Mass Accelerator Cannon as a conventional superweapon. Others can fill you in on the details if you are interested.

That just gave me the funny idea that the Crucible is actually just a battery for the Citadel, and the Reapers leave the plans around for Organics to find so they can recharge the Citadel every 50,000 years.  And does nothing else.

So basically we're just refueling the Reapers' space station for them.

Well, according to the 100% literalist perspective, the crucible IS a giant battery. Now what it's for that's up to speculation...

[Rifneno]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Well, according to the 100% literalist perspective, the crucible IS a giant battery. Now what it's for that's up to speculation...

...  I haven't had this strong an urge to make a joke that would get me banned since the first time I saw a cannibal.

[Simon_Says]

You know, I've been trying to follow this thread for the last few hours. I can't. I can't keep up.

[masster blaster]

Rifneno wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Well, according to the 100% literalist perspective, the crucible IS a giant battery. Now what it's for that's up to speculation...

...  I haven't had this strong an urge to make a joke that would get me banned since the first time I saw a cannibal.

makes sense since nobody know what it would do but if it is then this helps IT because nothing of that  happend if you pick Destroy and WAKE UP ad maybe the Leviathan can shed some light on some Reapes/ maybe and hope not Catalyst.

[RampantAndroid]

masster blaster wrote...

Oh and shouldn't Shepard ask why did you make me kill Anderson and if you were Controling the Illusive Man then why do this if you wanted my help.

Also I would say we forge our own future with out you and the Reapers , and maybe more will die just to kill you all but by the end of it. If one of us Organcis or Synthetics lives once this War is over

Also Shepard should have ask but Why can't I become an Ai like you and why do you want my Gentic Material plus add your Reaper codes into everyone in Synthesis.

Catalyst respons: SO BE IT!

Err, you seem to be assuming that the reapers directly control the indoctrinated? IMO, it looked more like TIM and Saren were indotrinated to the point that their actions played into the hands of the reapers, but not so much so that their every action was being controlled.

Same reason I bet they cut the indoctrination stuff from ME3 - to do it right, you would need to mislead the player into making decisions tha helped the reapers, not simply remove control from the player.

[Auralius Carolus]

*walks in through the back door*



So, what's happenin?

[RampantAndroid]

jgibson14352 wrote...

no, i was assuming that was what rampant was talking about, trust me i know my ME universe. nobody BUT chandana ever studied a reaper ship, minus the batarian scientist that balak straight up told us were indoctrinated, and eventually turned against the Hedgemony

See "cerberus ship" heading.

http://masseffect.wi...wiki/Reaper_IFF 

You do in fact see a team of scientists that are slowly indoctrinated and go insane.

[masster blaster]

RampantAndroid wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Oh and shouldn't Shepard ask why did you make me kill Anderson and if you were Controling the Illusive Man then why do this if you wanted my help.

Also I would say we forge our own future with out you and the Reapers , and maybe more will die just to kill you all but by the end of it. If one of us Organcis or Synthetics lives once this War is over

Also Shepard should have ask but Why can't I become an Ai like you and why do you want my Gentic Material plus add your Reaper codes into everyone in Synthesis.

Catalyst respons: SO BE IT!

Err, you seem to be assuming that the reapers directly control the indoctrinated? IMO, it looked more like TIM and Saren were indotrinated to the point that their actions played into the hands of the reapers, but not so much so that their every action was being controlled.

Same reason I bet they cut the indoctrination stuff from ME3 - to do it right, you would need to mislead the player into making decisions tha helped the reapers, not simply remove control from the player.

ya but wouldn't Shepard be mad at the Catalyst since they could have
called of the talk to death with TIM and ANDERSON, but I think the Catalyst wanted Shepard alone so that no one would try to say SHEPARD
don"t listen to it. Plus if Javik was there he would try to kill Shepard
if Shepard were to either Control the Reapers or Merge Organics and
Synthetics with the Reapers.

[jgibson14352]

RampantAndroid wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Oh and shouldn't Shepard ask why did you make me kill Anderson and if you were Controling the Illusive Man then why do this if you wanted my help.

Also I would say we forge our own future with out you and the Reapers , and maybe more will die just to kill you all but by the end of it. If one of us Organcis or Synthetics lives once this War is over

Also Shepard should have ask but Why can't I become an Ai like you and why do you want my Gentic Material plus add your Reaper codes into everyone in Synthesis.

Catalyst respons: SO BE IT!

Err, you seem to be assuming that the reapers directly control the indoctrinated? IMO, it looked more like TIM and Saren were indotrinated to the point that their actions played into the hands of the reapers, but not so much so that their every action was being controlled.

Same reason I bet they cut the indoctrination stuff from ME3 - to do it right, you would need to mislead the player into making decisions tha helped the reapers, not simply remove control from the player.

thats what this thread is about!!!!! we think that, through IT, by choosing control or synthesis you are mistakenly playing into the reapers hands. and indoctrination works by rewriting neural pathways through subsonic and ultrasonic frequencies, the reapers would be able to control how they influenced you by alternating signals and connecting and rewriting different pathways

[HellishFiend]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

*walks in through the back door*



So, what's happenin?

Have the chinchillas uncovered any profound discoveries lately?