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[invetro]

I've just defeated the Rannoch reaper again (fourth playthrough, because I'm a glutton for sweet, sweet punishment) and I have always thought the screen shaking was a glitch before now. Having looked at the playthroughs of other people, I can see it's deliberate. Has a consensus been reached as to why the screen is gyrating like a crazy raver? Is Rannoch reapers voice THAT loud? Or is it (these are my straws, I shall grasp them tightly) a testament to infrasound? Because it's really reminding me of what the infrasound was doing to those speakers.

[jgibson14352]

RampantAndroid wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

using your logic, every movie that has had a major plot twist in the end has done horrible at the box office, the sixth sense? rick roll. shutter island? got us good, scorsese, so i guess i dont want to buy any more of your movies.

we arent creating a theory, were piecing together the puzzle that we think bioware left for us. i honestly cant remember a time when i heard anybody but you say, not only, that they hope this was the last of the ME games (devs have flat out said its not, there will be more games in the ME universe), but that they would stop buying bioware products upon the advent of a better ending

First off, those movies actually SHOW YOU the twist.

Sixth sense: he suddenly realizes why his wife locks the door to his office area, why she "ignores" him and why the only person to truly talk to him is the kid. His death replays in his head, and you see he died when he was shot. He says goodbye to his wife, movie done. The viewer knows that the entire movie was in fact built on that from the beginning. Also see Unbreakable. Again, you are told the twist.

Shutter Island tells you point blank "it was a setup, you're crazy in the head" and explains it. Also, because of this ending making everything leading up to it invalid, I call Shutter Island about the best build up to a terrible ending I've seen in years. Right next to Chinatown. I didn't like Scorsese to begin with, but Shutter Island pulled me in. And then the lighthouse, and I walked out of the theater. I AM done with his movies.

Inception: ends with the spinning top, having already explained the purpose of the top, without showing whether it keeps spinning, or just falls to the table. It calls out the open ended question of "is he really back in the real world?"

Indoctrination is NOT a better ending, it's a big screw you ending, given Bioware has said this IS the ending set we get. No more. So what we have now, that's it. So again, if IT is true, what you're telling me is that Bioware left a "puzzle" in there (remember, after they had such a bad ending set to begin with that they spent months making free DLC) for us to "solve" that once solved....oh, leaves ME3 with no proper ending. Less closure than just accepting the existing endings as they are. There will be no more DLC endings. There will be no more "closure." If you accept IT, you accept that the end of the game is just a joke on the player.

we believe that bioware isnt done with ending DLC. theyve flat out said that they arent done with DLC, though granted they havent said anything about any DLC pertaining to the ending.
keep in mind, bioware also said this stuff. i like how youre ignoring my corrections to your logic, it really gives credence to what you have to say, show me a quote from a bioware dev saying IT isnt real.


just let me ask you one question, lets say, hypothetically, that bioware releases a DLC confirming indoctrination theory. lets say, its pretty good, what would you do? refuse to download it and refuse to buy bioware products?

[TJBartlemus]

jgibson14352 wrote...

RampantAndroid wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

Dr Chandana team WAS the cerberus team on that reaper. ill say it again, i know my ME univers. saying that, i do need to correct my last statement, Dr. Qian and the cerberus teams on cronos station also studied reapers.

Look, you missed my entire point. Chandana's team, the arrival team and all of them spent ages around the reaper tech. That is my point. Shep's time around reaper tech is limited to talking to soverign over holo-com thingy, time on the collector base (and we don't know that leads to indoctrination, given we don't see Kelly or Chakwas being indoctrinated), time talking to harbinger (again, not in person), on the derelict reaper (first time he was on a reaper), time spent fighting the human reaper (is this how the TIM was indoctrinated? We're never told HOW he became indoctrinated, or really, when) and finally time spent around the artifact during Arrival. Beyond that, he sees the spikes that make the husks, but not much else. The point I'm making is that Shep doesn't live on a reaper. Like a certain team of scientists.

Stop trying to twist what I say.

the best part about this is im not twisting what you say at all, youre contradicting yourself quite nicely.
also, youre wrong again for about the fourth or fifth time. in the ME Evolution comics, we can see how the illusive man (jack harper) gets his eyes, he has indirect contanct with a reaper artifact, and can suddenly understand several dialects, along with his blue ringed eyes. note: same eyes as saren, and shepard if he chooses synthesis or control.
and no, im doing the opposite of missing your point, unless you have yet to state it. shepard has spent uncounted time around uncounted reaper objects, the same objects that have indoctrinated other people. shepard is just a person, he isnt anymore immune to indoctrination than anyone else. the cerberus scientist didnt live on the reaper either, they lived on their own ship that was docked to the reaper. they worked on it in shifts.

You also have to realize that all the Reapers have to do is implant the "seeds" of indoctrination, and eventually it  will manifest itself without being in direct contact with Reaper tech. The idea is planted in your suboncious and eventually it will surface and seem like it was YOUR idea to serve the Reapers. (Inception) This is a way slower form of indoctrination but leaves the subject in better condition for use. So it is entirely possible that the seeds have been planted in Shepard, and the Reapers came to "reap what they sow".

[Simon_Says]

RampantAndroid wrote...

Indoctrination is NOT a better ending, it's a big screw you ending, given Bioware has said this IS the ending set we get. No more. So what we have now, that's it. So again, if IT is true, what you're telling me is that Bioware left a "puzzle" in there (remember, after they had such a bad ending set to begin with that they spent months making free DLC) for us to "solve" that once solved....oh, leaves ME3 with no proper ending. Less closure than just accepting the existing endings as they are. There will be no more DLC endings. There will be no more "closure." If you accept IT, you accept that the end of the game is just a joke on the player.

Why the hell are you here.

[Auralius Carolus]

RampantAndroid wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

Dr Chandana team WAS the cerberus team on that reaper. ill say it again, i know my ME univers. saying that, i do need to correct my last statement, Dr. Qian and the cerberus teams on cronos station also studied reapers.

Look, you missed my entire point. Chandana's team, the arrival team and all of them spent ages around the reaper tech. That is my point. Shep's time around reaper tech is limited to talking to soverign over holo-com thingy, time on the collector base (and we don't know that leads to indoctrination, given we don't see Kelly or Chakwas being indoctrinated), time talking to harbinger (again, not in person), on the derelict reaper (first time he was on a reaper), time spent fighting the human reaper (is this how the TIM was indoctrinated? We're never told HOW he became indoctrinated, or really, when) and finally time spent around the artifact during Arrival. Beyond that, he sees the spikes that make the husks, but not much else. The point I'm making is that Shep doesn't live on a reaper. Like a certain team of scientists.

Stop trying to twist what I say.

Extensive time is not needed. If Reapers required you to sit and idle around them and their equipment, indoctrination would almost be pointless.

Case in point: The Illusive Man. Back when he was an Alliance Marine, TIM was hit by an energy wave from a Reaper artifact. Most other people who encountered the device were quickly altered into cyborgs and indoctrinated. TIM, however, went for years until the full signs of indoctrination were made evident, (his eyes being most telling).

How did it work? (Hellish, get ready to shudder, here come the nanites!). Gradual Implantation. Once TIM had been hit with the dark energy wave, Reaper nanites were thrust into him. These tiny robots then began to build up implants that could broadcast the Reaper signals, allowing for him to be indoctrinated on the go; his eyes are part of those implants.

TIM indoctrination is almost a parallel to what happened to Shepard with Object Rho.

[jgibson14352]

CoolioThane wrote...

THEY WILL RELEASE THE TRUE ENDING AT A LATER DATE! ARE YOU THICK?

lets not stoop to its level, ive already corrected literally everything he/she has said, all he/she does is ignore evidence.

Modifié par jgibson14352, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:15 .

[RampantAndroid]

CoolioThane wrote...

THEY WILL RELEASE THE TRUE ENDING AT A LATER DATE! ARE YOU THICK?

I'm going to hold you to this. And in a year, when there is no further ending, I'm going to make sure to show you this post. What motivation does Bioware have to screw its fans over? I know a lot of people who already walked away or returned the game because of the original endings. The new endings only appeared BECAUSE people complained. If they have been planning to release the IT ending from the very beginning, why waste the time making EC? Why cancel DA2 DLC to focus on things like EC? Why not just go ahead with the Leviathon DLC and show everyone the new ending?

And what about everyone who doesn't want to buy the DLC - they get a different ending? You're kidding me, right?

Occam's razor.

Simon_Says wrote...

Well that's when he was initially indoctrinated. Throughout ME2 he's obviously an ethically dubious character but no friend or pawn of the reapers.

It's really when he brought the corpse of a proto-reaper and placed it right next to his office that he went off the deep end between ME2 and ME3.

 

Thank you, this what I said.




Anyway, with that - you people have your fun, you clearly cannot look at logic, you clearly are dead set on just creating an ending you're happy with. And hey, if you're happy with that, more power to you. But you're still wrong, and I firmly believe time, and a lack of DLC with a new "ending" will prove me right.

Modifié par RampantAndroid, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:19 .

[Andromidius]

RampantAndroid wrote...
Anyway, with that - you people have your fun, you clearly cannot look at logic, you clearly are dead set on just creating an ending you're happy with. And hey, if you're happy with that, more power to you. But you're still wrong, and I firmly believe time, and a lack of DLC with a new "ending" will prove me right.

Bye!

[Rifneno]

RampantAndroid wrote...

Occam's razor.

Opp, a literalist tried to apply Occam's Razor to fiction, you know the rules!  Everyone take a drink!

[TJBartlemus]

RampantAndroid wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

using your logic, every movie that has had a major plot twist in the end has done horrible at the box office, the sixth sense? rick roll. shutter island? got us good, scorsese, so i guess i dont want to buy any more of your movies.

we arent creating a theory, were piecing together the puzzle that we think bioware left for us. i honestly cant remember a time when i heard anybody but you say, not only, that they hope this was the last of the ME games (devs have flat out said its not, there will be more games in the ME universe), but that they would stop buying bioware products upon the advent of a better ending

First off, those movies actually SHOW YOU the twist.

Sixth sense: he suddenly realizes why his wife locks the door to his office area, why she "ignores" him and why the only person to truly talk to him is the kid. His death replays in his head, and you see he died when he was shot. He says goodbye to his wife, movie done. The viewer knows that the entire movie was in fact built on that from the beginning. Also see Unbreakable. Again, you are told the twist.

Shutter Island tells you point blank "it was a setup, you're crazy in the head" and explains it. Also, because of this ending making everything leading up to it invalid, I call Shutter Island about the best build up to a terrible ending I've seen in years. Right next to Chinatown. I didn't like Scorsese to begin with, but Shutter Island pulled me in. And then the lighthouse, and I walked out of the theater. I AM done with his movies.

Inception: ends with the spinning top, having already explained the purpose of the top, without showing whether it keeps spinning, or just falls to the table. It calls out the open ended question of "is he really back in the real world?"

Indoctrination is NOT a better ending, it's a big screw you ending, given Bioware has said this IS the ending set we get. No more. So what we have now, that's it. So again, if IT is true, what you're telling me is that Bioware left a "puzzle" in there (remember, after they had such a bad ending set to begin with that they spent months making free DLC) for us to "solve" that once solved....oh, leaves ME3 with no proper ending. Less closure than just accepting the existing endings as they are. There will be no more DLC endings. There will be no more "closure." If you accept IT, you accept that the end of the game is just a joke on the player.

Well, flat out I know they will not release the truth until a further game because of my 3 points:

1. Speculation=hype=money
2. If they catered to one side, the other would be angry. (This point illustrates that they have yet to prove or disprove) 
3.They won't continue after the endings for the point of 1 and 2. Instead they will make before ending dlc that will provide excellent story, gameplay, and hints towards the endings making it a must buy by the Mass Effect fanbase.

Also I believe they implimented both literalist and IT into the ending. (Check WNT:EC) So technically if I am right they didn't make a joke on the player, but made a more in depth story than most of us knew. First time you play the game and even first time people to the series wouldn't notice. Then when you look closer you see things that you didn't before.

Edit: Regarding point 2 I was talking about within Mass Effect 3. No ending dlc. Instead they will wait till a future game.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:24 .

[CoolioThane]

RampantAndroid wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

THEY WILL RELEASE THE TRUE ENDING AT A LATER DATE! ARE YOU THICK?

I'm going to hold you to this. And in a year, when there is no further ending, I'm going to make sure to show you this post. What motivation does Bioware have to screw its fans over? I know a lot of people who already walked away or returned the game because of the original endings. The new endings only appeared BECAUSE people complained. If they have been planning to release the IT ending from the very beginning, why waste the time making EC? Why cancel DA2 DLC to focus on things like EC? Why not just go ahead with the Leviathon DLC and show everyone the new ending?

And what about everyone who doesn't want to buy the DLC - they get a different ending? You're kidding me, right?

Occam's razor.

Simon_Says wrote...

Well that's when he was initially indoctrinated. Throughout ME2 he's obviously an ethically dubious character but no friend or pawn of the reapers.

It's really when he brought the corpse of a proto-reaper and placed it right next to his office that he went off the deep end between ME2 and ME3.

 

Thank you, this what I said.

I swear you have some sort of problem. Look at Arian's posts as to why the EC was released, it's in order to satiate fans for now...lull them into making them think their ending is the right choice until POW IT DLC...

If the IT is released then those people who sold copies will buy new ones because it will be the true ending to the series, and if they don't then BIoware doesn't deserve such fickle, butthurt "people" as fans.

Mate, DLC is DLC, Broken Steel for Fallout 3 changed the ending, and that was DLC. People who didn't get the DLC kept the original ending.

EA effing loves DLC and money. IT is DLC and a fortune maker.

By all means, if the IT DLC doesn't come out, and in a years time you care so much to "show me my post" I will not care, as the IT is my headcanon anyway, and I'll be proud I had genuine hope for this series and endless optimism, rather than act like you; a seething, pessimistic troll.  

[BansheeOwnage]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

RampantAndroid wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

Dr Chandana team WAS the cerberus team on that reaper. ill say it again, i know my ME univers. saying that, i do need to correct my last statement, Dr. Qian and the cerberus teams on cronos station also studied reapers.

Look, you missed my entire point. Chandana's team, the arrival team and all of them spent ages around the reaper tech. That is my point. Shep's time around reaper tech is limited to talking to soverign over holo-com thingy, time on the collector base (and we don't know that leads to indoctrination, given we don't see Kelly or Chakwas being indoctrinated), time talking to harbinger (again, not in person), on the derelict reaper (first time he was on a reaper), time spent fighting the human reaper (is this how the TIM was indoctrinated? We're never told HOW he became indoctrinated, or really, when) and finally time spent around the artifact during Arrival. Beyond that, he sees the spikes that make the husks, but not much else. The point I'm making is that Shep doesn't live on a reaper. Like a certain team of scientists.

Stop trying to twist what I say.

Extensive time is not needed. If Reapers required you to sit and idle around them and their equipment, indoctrination would almost be pointless.

Case in point: The Illusive Man. Back when he was an Alliance Marine, TIM was hit by an energy wave from a Reaper artifact. Most other people who encountered the device were quickly altered into cyborgs and indoctrinated. TIM, however, went for years until the full signs of indoctrination were made evident, (his eyes being most telling).

How did it work? (Hellish, get ready to shudder, here come the nanites!). Gradual Implantation. Once TIM had been hit with the dark energy wave, Reaper nanites were thrust into him. These tiny robots then began to build up implants that could broadcast the Reaper signals, allowing for him to be indoctrinated on the go; his eyes are part of those implants.

TIM indoctrination is almost a parallel to what happened to Shepard with Object Rho.

[jgibson14352]

RampantAndroid wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

THEY WILL RELEASE THE TRUE ENDING AT A LATER DATE! ARE YOU THICK?

I'm going to hold you to this. And in a year, when there is no further ending, I'm going to make sure to show you this post. What motivation does Bioware have to screw its fans over? I know a lot of people who already walked away or returned the game because of the original endings. The new endings only appeared BECAUSE people complained. If they have been planning to release the IT ending from the very beginning, why waste the time making EC? Why cancel DA2 DLC to focus on things like EC? Why not just go ahead with the Leviathon DLC and show everyone the new ending?

And what about everyone who doesn't want to buy the DLC - they get a different ending? You're kidding me, right?

Occam's razor.

Simon_Says wrote...

Well that's when he was initially indoctrinated. Throughout ME2 he's obviously an ethically dubious character but no friend or pawn of the reapers.

It's really when he brought the corpse of a proto-reaper and placed it right next to his office that he went off the deep end between ME2 and ME3.

 

Thank you, this what I said.

alright, quote yourself when you said that.
and no, the people who dont buy DLC get an ending with part of it missing, same as if i didnt buy ME3, my ending would be ME2. its pretty simple
and no. occams razor might apply to real life, if you believe it does. occams razor however, and this was posted befoe, so if im ripping off somebody sorry, CANNOT apply to a work of fiction. we believe the writers intentionally left these clues for us to find, and any work of fiction can be as anti-occams razor as they want it to be.

[byne]

Oh noes, I just watched the newest RvB episode, and Agent North's AI is a ghostly child. Theres no way ghostly children will ever end well.

At least this ghostly child isnt telling North to blow up the galaxy or anything.

[Auralius Carolus]

Rifneno wrote...

RampantAndroid wrote...

Occam's razor.

Opp, a literalist tried to apply Occam's Razor to fiction, you know the rules!  Everyone take a drink!

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

Oh noes, I just watched the newest RvB episode, and Agent North's AI is a ghostly child. Theres no way ghostly children will ever end well.

At least this ghostly child isnt telling North to blow up the galaxy or anything.

Ooo new RVB! Thanks Byne

[Simon_Says]

Guys. Guys.

Stop talking to the troll. I hate to use the term but in this case, this is most definitely a troll. Rampant comes here, and calls IT trash. It's not even that he/she believes that IT isn't what Bioware intended. No, it's just trash, and we should be ashamed for indulging in it. And he/she'll be coming back to rub it in our faces.

This. In Indoc Theory Speculation Central.

Rampant, I'll address you here and now: If you can't respect Indoc Theory or its supporters, then you're in the wrong place. Simple as that. You surely have better things to do than get into an internet slugmatch with people you know you're never going to persuade. You'll have better things to do than rub it in our faces if Bioware ever actually goes out of its way to shut IT down (which, no, they haven't). If you're not going to change your tune or leave, you'll prove nothing but that you're a git.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:32 .

[jgibson14352]

hopefully by comic con well have something to rub in their faces

[JasonSic]

ignore it

[Rifneno]

Simon_Says wrote...

Guys. Guys.

Stop talking to the troll.

-snip-

Rampant, I'll address you here and now:
-snip

Not sure if serious...

[jgibson14352]

Simon_Says wrote...

Guys. Guys.

Stop talking to the troll. I hate to use the term but in this case, this is most definitely a troll. Rampant comes here, and calls IT trash. It's not even that he/she believes that IT isn't what Bioware intended. No, it's just trash, and we should be ashamed for indulging in it. And he/she'll be coming back to rub it in our faces.

This. In Indoc Theory Speculation Central.

Rampant, I'll address you here and now: If you can't respect Indoc Theory or its supporters, then you're in the wrong place. Simple as that. You surely have better things to do than get into an internet slugmatch with people you know you're never going to persuade. You'll have better things to do than rub it in our faces if Bioware ever actually goes out of its way to shut IT down (which, no, they haven't). If you're not going to change your tune or leave, you'll prove nothing but that you're a git.

dont worry, it left. if anything, i think we overfed it.
 i dont know how anybody who has to ignore that many corrections and that much logic just to get their misguided pont across doesnt realize they may have to reassess their position

[Auralius Carolus]

jgibson14352 wrote...

hopefully by comic con well have something to rub in their faces

Doubtful. If IT is true, it will likely be at the back of the DLC list.

[Simon_Says]

Bioware intentionally made an equivocal ending. As Dreamgazer said, if there was the opportune moment to confirm IT as capital-c Canon, the Extended Cut was it. So while future DLC may build IT further, I doubt we'll get solid confirmation of any kind until late in the DLC cycle or until news of Mass Effect 4 comes out. And that's if Bioware ever decides to stop being coy.

Basically what I'm saying is, don't get your hopes up.

[JasonSic]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

hopefully by comic con well have something to rub in their faces

Doubtful. If IT is true, it will likely be at the back of the DLC list.

Except an IT-DLC would open up so much more room for post-ending DLC.

[jgibson14352]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

hopefully by comic con well have something to rub in their faces

Doubtful. If IT is true, it will likely be at the back of the DLC list.

there should still be hints though, id imagine its not good business to keep this much speculation on for long