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[Auralius Carolus]

jgibson14352 wrote...

dont worry, it left. if anything, i think we overfed it.
 i dont know how anybody who has to ignore that many corrections and that much logic just to get their misguided pont across doesnt realize they may have to reassess their position

Real trolls don't leave; they burrow.

And just when you thought you had gotten rid of the thing, darn if they haven't nested under the bridge again.

[CoolioThane]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

hopefully by comic con well have something to rub in their faces

Doubtful. IT is true and it will likely be at the back of the DLC list.

Fixed 

[byne]

CoolioThane wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

hopefully by comic con well have something to rub in their faces

Doubtful. IT is true and it will likely be at the back of the DLC list.

Fixed 

Coolio, I believe in IT as much as you do, but the "We're definitely right and you're definitely wrong" attitude doesnt stop being annoying when an IT supporter uses it instead of a literalist.

[Auralius Carolus]

jgibson14352 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

hopefully by comic con well have something to rub in their faces

Doubtful. If IT is true, it will likely be at the back of the DLC list.

there should still be hints though, id imagine its not good business to keep this much speculation on for long

We're at four months and counting. While I'd have to agree that it's bad business, (especially given the number of people who still don't like the endings), they're doing it.

And hints will never be enough to dislodge the hardcore skeptics. Shoot, I imagine there will be a good number who would get hostile, thinking that we somehow compelled BW to change the endings, if IT were to be confirmed.

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...

Coolio, I believe in IT as much as you do, but the "We're definitely right and you're definitely wrong" attitude doesnt stop being annoying when an IT supporter uses it instead of a literalist.

I won't say IT is 'right'.

But I will say its going along the right tracks.  Its impossible to know how accurate it is until the day Bioware comes out and reveals it.

[RampantAndroid]

Simon_Says wrote...

Guys. Guys.

Stop talking to the troll. I hate to use the term but in this case, this is most definitely a troll. Rampant comes here, and calls IT trash. It's not even that he/she believes that IT isn't what Bioware intended. No, it's just trash, and we should be ashamed for indulging in it. And he/she'll be coming back to rub it in our faces.

This. In Indoc Theory Speculation Central.

Rampant, I'll address you here and now: If you can't respect Indoc Theory or its supporters, then you're in the wrong place. Simple as that. You surely have better things to do than get into an internet slugmatch with people you know you're never going to persuade. You'll have better things to do than rub it in our faces if Bioware ever actually goes out of its way to shut IT down (which, no, they haven't). If you're not going to change your tune or leave, you'll prove nothing but that you're a git.

And you missed the part where I said that I cannot believe that Bioware would do this, and enumerated why. But I'm not going to be swayed to believe in IT until Bioware releases DLC to that effect (which, let's reiterate: I would bet heavily against) and I know all to well that people won't bother to change their mind on IT either. Debating in here is no better than putting a republican and liberal in the same room. No one wins.

My intent has NOT been to insult, my intent has been to point out that IT, from where I sit, makes no sense. Either from a plot standpoint or from a strategic business standpoint. But ultimately, time will tell, either by DLC appearing (or not appearing) to address IT, a new game that follows ME3 chronologically, or someone in Bioware coming along and making a statement about it (and all they've done here is said to use headcanon, really.)

I think this quote is where I also draw some of my thinking from:
"The extended cut is really more about taking the things that are there and making them shine even more, rather than trying to change and adapt what's there to reach out to a broader audience that's looking for something that was never intended," said lead writer Mac Walters[/b].

Anyway, have fun.

[jgibson14352]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

hopefully by comic con well have something to rub in their faces

Doubtful. If IT is true, it will likely be at the back of the DLC list.

there should still be hints though, id imagine its not good business to keep this much speculation on for long

We're at four months and counting. While I'd have to agree that it's bad business, (especially given the number of people who still don't like the endings), they're doing it.

And hints will never be enough to dislodge the hardcore skeptics. Shoot, I imagine there will be a good number who would get hostile, thinking that we somehow compelled BW to change the endings, if IT were to be confirmed.

true enough. it would be a good idea for them to keep their hardcore fans (ie us) occupied and chomping at the bit though, as it is im shaky on ME as a whole. hearing some hints dropped at SDCC would keep me commited until the end of the DLC

[Auralius Carolus]

JasonSic wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

hopefully by comic con well have something to rub in their faces

Doubtful. If IT is true, it will likely be at the back of the DLC list.

Except an IT-DLC would open up so much more room for post-ending DLC.

I agree, it would. However it's also a huge "Rabbit out of the hat" moment, and one that would likely be presented not truly as an IT DLC, but IT+Take Earth Back. Narratively, the climax occurs very close to the end, in order to secure its memorable and impactful nature.

After that door is open, if they really wanted to, they could persue an entirely new game. While ME isn't nearly as big as, say, Battlefield, it still is a multi-million dollar market and I can't see EA letting it drop.

[JasonSic]

do not feed it again, let it starve

[jgibson14352]

RampantAndroid wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Guys. Guys.

Stop talking to the troll. I hate to use the term but in this case, this is most definitely a troll. Rampant comes here, and calls IT trash. It's not even that he/she believes that IT isn't what Bioware intended. No, it's just trash, and we should be ashamed for indulging in it. And he/she'll be coming back to rub it in our faces.

This. In Indoc Theory Speculation Central.

Rampant, I'll address you here and now: If you can't respect Indoc Theory or its supporters, then you're in the wrong place. Simple as that. You surely have better things to do than get into an internet slugmatch with people you know you're never going to persuade. You'll have better things to do than rub it in our faces if Bioware ever actually goes out of its way to shut IT down (which, no, they haven't). If you're not going to change your tune or leave, you'll prove nothing but that you're a git.

And you missed the part where I said that I cannot believe that Bioware would do this, and enumerated why. But I'm not going to be swayed to believe in IT until Bioware releases DLC to that effect (which, let's reiterate: I would bet heavily against) and I know all to well that people won't bother to change their mind on IT either. Debating in here is no better than putting a republican and liberal in the same room. No one wins.

My intent has NOT been to insult, my intent has been to point out that IT, from where I sit, makes no sense. Either from a plot standpoint or from a strategic business standpoint. But ultimately, time will tell, either by DLC appearing (or not appearing) to address IT, a new game that follows ME3 chronologically, or someone in Bioware coming along and making a statement about it (and all they've done here is said to use headcanon, really.)

I think this quote is where I also draw some of my thinking from:
"The extended cut is really more about taking the things that are there and making them shine even more, rather than trying to change and adapt what's there to reach out to a broader audience that's looking for something that was never intended," said lead writer Mac Walters[/b].

Anyway, have fun.

and heres where we draw our disbelief


***and please note, go ahead and check his/her source, that statement is NOT in there.
***second thought, could be, i cant load the video, im still on public internet

Modifié par jgibson14352, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:50 .

[CoolioThane]

[quote]byne wrote...


Fixed 

[/quote]

Coolio, I believe in IT as much as you do, but the "We're definitely right and you're definitely wrong" attitude doesnt stop being annoying when an IT supporter uses it instead of a literalist.

[/quote]

It's just a joke byne. It's extreme optimism, but I am an extremely optimistic person. Apologies for bugging you, like. 

My posts about it being definite are:

a) joking around
giving trolls ammo against me, and hopefully making them leave erryone else alone.

[byne]

CoolioThane wrote...


My posts about it being definite are:

a) joking around
giving trolls ammo against me, and hopefully making them leave erryone else alone.

Fair enough.

[Dwailing]

[quote]CoolioThane wrote...

[quote]byne wrote...


Fixed 

[/quote]

Coolio, I believe in IT as much as you do, but the "We're definitely right and you're definitely wrong" attitude doesnt stop being annoying when an IT supporter uses it instead of a literalist.

[/quote]

It's just a joke byne. It's extreme optimism, but I am an extremely optimistic person. Apologies for bugging you, like. 

My posts about it being definite are:

a) joking around
giving trolls ammo against me, and hopefully making them leave erryone else alone.

[/quote]

So you make strong statements to attract trolls so we don't have to deal with them? I salute you! Where's lex with his Shepard saluting motivational when you need him?

[BansheeOwnage]

[quote]Dwailing wrote...

[quote]CoolioThane wrote...

[quote]byne wrote...


Fixed 

[/quote]

Coolio, I believe in IT as much as you do, but the "We're definitely right and you're definitely wrong" attitude doesnt stop being annoying when an IT supporter uses it instead of a literalist.

[/quote]

It's just a joke byne. It's extreme optimism, but I am an extremely optimistic person. Apologies for bugging you, like. 

My posts about it being definite are:

a) joking around
giving trolls ammo against me, and hopefully making them leave erryone else alone.

[/quote]

So you make strong statements to attract trolls so we don't have to deal with them? I salute you! Where's lex with his Shepard saluting motivational when you need him?
[/quote]
His sidekick will have to suffice.

[Simon_Says]

Let's move on shall we?

I've been thinking about what I posted earlier. And a new question dawned on me.

What is the thematic purpose of Shepard's death and resurrection? It's nothing that was required to set up the plot of Mass Effect 2. With an apathetic council that is doubtful of Shepard anyway, there's no need for Shepard to die in order to 'go rogue' and work with Cerberus.

Is it to make Shepard cybernetic? Well then why didn't they just go the Human Revolution route? Not to mention that Shepard's cybernetics are not really a major plot point throughout either 2 or 3. They're brought up from time to time but they're not used extensively. Unlike, say, indoctrination.

The only reason seems to be to make Shepard into a Christ/Gandalf type allegory. Yet then again what's the ultimate point of that? It made sense in the Matrix with its themes of the interplay between inevitability vs free choice. But it doesn't appear to make sense in a series where the protagonist isn't a Chosen One of some sort*.

Thoughts?

*No, Shepard isn't a chosen one. They weren't picked out by fate, destiny or some other Power That Is to serve a special purpose in the grand order of things. There was no prophecy or anything similar. Shepard is just a talented grunt who, through virtue of their own talent and circumstance and nothing else, happened to be placed in the right place and the right time. Shepard isn't given a mission from God to fight the reapers, they just took it upon him/herself to fight because no one else realized the threat. Basically, Shepard is the hero who entered the story from the bottom-up instead of from the top-down.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 03 juillet 2012 - 04:11 .

[jgibson14352]

anybody know if theres going to be a transcript or a record or something of biowares statements at SDCC? so if they do say anything we can see for ourselves?

[Nightingale]

It's oddly quiet right now. So...nothing interesting? Surely we have something to speculate about between now and SDCC

Edit: Nevermind, got a couple ninja while I was posting!

Modifié par DrTsoni, 03 juillet 2012 - 04:11 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Simon_Says wrote...

Let's move on shall we?

I've been thinking about what I posted earlier. And a new question dawned on me.

What is the thematic purpose of Shepard's death and resurrection? It's nothing that was required to set up the plot of Mass Effect 2. With an apathetic council that is doubtful of Shepard anyway, there's no need for Shepard to die in order to 'go rogue' and work with Cerberus.

Is it to make Shepard cybernetic? Well then why didn't they just go the Human Revolution route? Not to mention that Shepard's cybernetics are not really a major plot point throughout either 2 or 3. They're brought up from time to time but they're not used extensively. Unlike, say, indoctrination.

The only reason seems to be to make Shepard into a Christ/Gandalf type allegory. Yet then again what's the ultimate point of that? It made sense in the Matrix with its themes of the interplay between inevitability vs free choice. But it doesn't appear to make sense in a series where the protagonist isn't a Chosen One of some sort*.

Thoughts?

*No, Shepard isn't a chosen one. They weren't picked out by fate, destiny or some other Power That Is to serve a special purpose in the grand order of things. There was no prophecy or anything similar. Shepard is just a talented grunt who, through virtue of their own talent and circumstance and nothing else, happened to be placed in the right place and the right time. Shepard isn't given a mission from God to fight the reapers, they just took it upon him/herself to fight because no one else realized the threat. Basically, Shepard is the hero who appears from the bottom-up instead of from the top-down.

Honestly that's my favourite part about Shepard.

[BansheeOwnage]

jgibson14352 wrote...

anybody know if theres going to be a transcript or a record or something of biowares statements at SDCC? so if they do say anything we can see for ourselves?

You change your avatar? Seems odd.
Edit: WTF? that's the second time today I've quoted the wrong person

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 03 juillet 2012 - 04:16 .

[Arian Dynas]

Android.

[Auralius Carolus]

DrTsoni wrote...

It's oddly quiet right now. So...nothing interesting? Surely we have something to speculate about between now and SDCC

Edit: Nevermind, got a couple ninja while I was posting!

You just missed the fun. We dressed Byne up like a turkey and sent him in, banging a pot and pan together, to run a troll out from under the bridge that runs between here and the main part of the forums.

[jgibson14352]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

anybody know if theres going to be a transcript or a record or something of biowares statements at SDCC? so if they do say anything we can see for ourselves?

You change your avatar? Seems odd.

what? im not sure how i got this one.
but does anybody know the answer to my question? i know if they say anything big itll be on ign or something, but im looking for anything

[BansheeOwnage]

jgibson14352 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

anybody know if theres going to be a transcript or a record or something of biowares statements at SDCC? so if they do say anything we can see for ourselves?

You change your avatar? Seems odd.

what? im not sure how i got this one.
but does anybody know the answer to my question? i know if they say anything big itll be on ign or something, but im looking for anything

Edit: WTF? that's the second time today I've quoted the wrong person Sorry.
Anyway I think there will be something like that.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 03 juillet 2012 - 04:16 .

[Rifneno]

Simon_Says wrote...

Bioware intentionally made an equivocal ending. As Dreamgazer said, if there was the opportune moment to confirm IT as capital-c Canon, the Extended Cut was it. So while future DLC may build IT further, I doubt we'll get solid confirmation of any kind until late in the DLC cycle or until news of Mass Effect 4 comes out. And that's if Bioware ever decides to stop being coy.

Basically what I'm saying is, don't get your hopes up.

Unfortunately, this is very true. After EC I truly wonder if they ever plan to tell us. I'm more than a little worried that they brought up the two decade long Deckard/replicant debate in response to an IT question one time. If tell us now that IT is true and there's more coming, everyone will be elated (except literalists, obviously). If they tell us in a year that IT is true and ME4 is coming, most will be happy, some will be angry at the length of time. If they tell us in 2034 that IT is true and speculations are teh win, assault charges will be filed against us. (Note to mods: exaggeration for comedic effect, not real threat, no ban pretty please)

Auralius Carolus wrote...

We're at four months and counting. While I'd have to agree that it's bad business, (especially given the number of people who still don't like the endings), they're doing it.

And hints will never be enough to dislodge the hardcore skeptics. Shoot, I imagine there will be a good number who would get hostile, thinking that we somehow compelled BW to change the endings, if IT were to be confirmed.

Hell, I've seen fools saying "if they do go with IT it'll just be because of fan pressure not because it was intended" since the first day I discovered IT. And I came in about page 300 of the first thread.

Also, that possum picture you posted. Both hilarious and adorable. Kudos, sir.

Banshee Ownage wrote...

His sidekick will have to suffice.

[BansheeOwnage]

DrTsoni wrote...

It's oddly quiet right now. So...nothing interesting? Surely we have something to speculate about between now and SDCC

Edit: Nevermind, got a couple ninja while I was posting!

Did you change your avatar? DrTsoni's avatar is not Liara? I don't... I don't understand