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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

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I think DrTsoni is right in saying that even Liara's character arc would have been unnaffected if Shepard was just injured and not killed outright.

Of course for the longest time I believe there was much confusion and divided opinion over whether Shepard was dead or just "mostly dead". That was put to rest in the Cronos station when they confirmed that, yes, Shepard was dead. It's amazing such huge differences and questions could arise between a character being dead and mostly dead.

Was it confirmed before ME3? Because if it wasn't then we should probably look historically at ME2 as Shepard having only been mostly dead instead of dead outright. That would shift the question to "What purpose was there to deading Shepard in ME3." Probably an easier question to tackle.

When is someone truly dead? Think about this seriously while I'm gone.


Mass Effect 2 Jacob" Last I saw you. You were nothing but meat and tubes.

Dead as you can be."

So ya I think Shepard is dead but was brought back to stop the Reapers.

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

Well, it is funny but... the opossum is dead, unfortunately. I noticed the blood running out of its nose not long after I linked it. :unsure:

Live opossums, however, are cute. Most people just don't know that they aren't at all serious about using all those teeth to rip you a new one.


:o  I figured it was just playing dead while someone posed it for the picture. :crying:

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

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I'm really not sure why/how being indoctrinated would preclude being gooified and used to fuel a reaper....


Because indoctrinated folks decay and their genetic material is inadequate.


Paxxton yor a genues.

Guys think about it if Synthesis is the final evlolutoion then if Shepard is being Indoctriated and it"s funny because the Catalyst said they tried this before ( Saren) but it did not work.
So the Catalyst is impling we don"t control you so nothing bad is going to happen but what the player doesn't know is that we are being Indoctrinated and that if we pick Synthesis everyone get"s indoctrinated.

But they use Human DNA to substain the tissue/genetic material and Reaper coding to brodcast their signal, in which case that"s why we don"t see anyone fighting back the Reapers.
Because the Reapers are using their codes to confuse the newly Synthesis races inorder to make more Reapers by using Human DNA to help increase their numbers again since the War with the Protheans and this cycle have done a great deal of damage to the Reaper race.

Lol!


So nobody want's to speculate on what I said.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...
When is someone truly dead? Think about this seriously while I'm gone.

Depends. Do you believe President Huerta is dead or not? :P Seriously though, I'd say the above posters are correct.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

I think DrTsoni is right in saying that even Liara's character arc would have been unnaffected if Shepard was just injured and not killed outright.

Of course for the longest time I believe there was much confusion and divided opinion over whether Shepard was dead or just "mostly dead". That was put to rest in the Cronos station when they confirmed that, yes, Shepard was dead. It's amazing such huge differences and questions could arise between a character being dead and mostly dead.

Was it confirmed before ME3? Because if it wasn't then we should probably look historically at ME2 as Shepard having only been mostly dead instead of dead outright. That would shift the question to "What purpose was there to deading Shepard in ME3." Probably an easier question to tackle.

When is someone truly dead? Think about this seriously while I'm gone.


Do you want the medical definition?

If so, a person is well and truly considered dead by the medical institution when all brain activity, as well as all somatic activity, have ceased.


he's right and  Shepard's brain was still intact.

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Blaster, it might help if your posts actually had, y'know, sentences instead of blobs of words.

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Simon_Says wrote...

Blaster, it might help if your posts actually had, y'know, sentences instead of blobs of words.


Ha!:devil:

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Dancing-Krogan wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Blaster, it might help if your posts actually had, y'know, sentences instead of blobs of words.


Ha!:devil:


Hay I get caught in the momunt when my brain is at work.

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I just started a new playthrough. On Mars, the Illusive Man goes on for a bit about how his plan is to control the Reapers while Shepard's plan is to destroy them.

On my first playthrough, my reaction was basically "Ok, now when can I shoot you?" This time around it was more like "Whoa, serious foreshadowing."

Took the Paragon option this time too. During the first time I ignored the left-hand option and just told him he was deluded.

Regarding Shepard being dead: Despite Jacob's comment, I was confused during ME 2 because Shepard kept saying she was mostly dead, but I guess that was an easier explanation for the other characters than, you know, telling them she'd actually been dead and was brought back.

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LT123 wrote...

I just started a new playthrough. On Mars, the Illusive Man goes on for a bit about how his plan is to control the Reapers while Shepard's plan is to destroy them.

On my first playthrough, my reaction was basically "Ok, now when can I shoot you?" This time around it was more like "Whoa, serious foreshadowing."

Took the Paragon option this time too. During the first time I ignored the left-hand option and just told him he was deluded.

Regarding Shepard being dead: Despite Jacob's comment, I was confused during ME 2 because Shepard kept saying she was mostly dead, but I guess that was an easier explanation for the other characters than, you know, telling them she'd actually been dead and was brought back.


yep two years.

Shepard TWO YEARS.

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Rifneno wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Well, it is funny but... the opossum is dead, unfortunately. I noticed the blood running out of its nose not long after I linked it. :unsure:

Live opossums, however, are cute. Most people just don't know that they aren't at all serious about using all those teeth to rip you a new one.


:o  I figured it was just playing dead while someone posed it for the picture. :crying:


Shape up, kid. If the other Honey Badgers see you they'll burn you at the stake.

Hmmm... This aught to do it. www.youtube.com/watch

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Simon is that better.

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I have a question why did my "slide show" only show Kasumi, Jacob, Samara, Grunt(he was mixed in with Wrex) and Zaeed. What about Jack and Miranda? Cant be because of there biotic implants because Kaidan was still alive.

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masster blaster wrote...

Simon, is that better?


Fixed for Simon :P

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masster blaster wrote...

Also Javik or your love interest would try to stop you, and you all no that you can not say no to your Li if it meant the end of the World.
  Also i think that EDI and the GETH are fine to give up there lives so i am okay with them dying even if the Price is to high.
But it would be good to see the Catalyst curse Shepard for picking Destroy but hay if it was an illusion then maybe the Geth and Edi do survive.
Like Bioware said but they meant not right now but later on you will see if the live in future DLC so maybe.



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Andromidius wrote...

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When is someone truly dead? Think about this seriously while I'm gone.


Technically its when your heart stops beating, I believe.  A lot of people can 'die' for a minute or two before being revived.

But truely dead?  I'd say when braindeath occurs.  The point of no return (by conventional science, at least).


I forgot the 2 but one is when your heart stops, and one is when all brain activity stops.. the heart stopping is the one that can be countered, where the brain one is true final death..

one is clinical death and one is *something* death

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Rosewind wrote...

I have a question why did my "slide show" only show Kasumi, Jacob, Samara, Grunt(he was mixed in with Wrex) and Zaeed. What about Jack and Miranda? Cant be because of there biotic implants because Kaidan was still alive.

Apparently, Jack and Miranda not showing up is a known bug with certain playthroughs.

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Well the good news is is that Bioware stated that the Breath scene is Shepard and that they said that the Breath scene is on Earth.

So one can hope IT is real. But if not then They are going to have to explain HOW THE HELL DID SHEPARD GET SENT BACK TO EARTH.

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masster blaster wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

I think DrTsoni is right in saying that even Liara's character arc would have been unnaffected if Shepard was just injured and not killed outright.

Of course for the longest time I believe there was much confusion and divided opinion over whether Shepard was dead or just "mostly dead". That was put to rest in the Cronos station when they confirmed that, yes, Shepard was dead. It's amazing such huge differences and questions could arise between a character being dead and mostly dead.

Was it confirmed before ME3? Because if it wasn't then we should probably look historically at ME2 as Shepard having only been mostly dead instead of dead outright. That would shift the question to "What purpose was there to deading Shepard in ME3." Probably an easier question to tackle.

When is someone truly dead? Think about this seriously while I'm gone.


Do you want the medical definition?

If so, a person is well and truly considered dead by the medical institution when all brain activity, as well as all somatic activity, have ceased.


he's right and  Shepard's brain was still intact.


Shepard was definitely brain dead. Moreover, the brain intact bit was a suspension of disbelief, as no one's brain would survive in the vacuum of space after several minutes. The "helmet" comment made me chuckle.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 03 juillet 2012 - 05:44 .


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Rosewind wrote...

I have a question why did my "slide show" only show Kasumi, Jacob, Samara, Grunt(he was mixed in with Wrex) and Zaeed. What about Jack and Miranda? Cant be because of there biotic implants because Kaidan was still alive.


I was wondering that too. I used the same file for the other three endings after Destroy (I got the same characters as you did with the addition of Jack with her students) and in the other endings I got Miranda but not Zaeed. Grunt was in Control but not Synthesis. And Kasumi was staring at the greybox, rather than with the hologram of Keiji in Control and Destroy but in Synthesis she was with the hologram despite destroying the memories in ME2. Not sure what's up with that, probably intentional and not a glitch, though. I may have had a few different characters, but nothing I remember off the top of my head.
Perhaps when Miranda really does leave like she said she would at the FOB in Destroy but has reason to stay with the Alliance in the other two endings. Or she was killed because she's technically not completely organic. Someone may be able to check if she's flagged as dead if they have a save file on PC. I can't do it myself, otherwise I would.
I'm not sure why you didn't see Jack, as I did. I don't think Kaidan has anything to do with it, his implants wouldn't get him killed and, because Ash survives and he's the other VS, I doubt they'd do that.

Edit: Fixed a spelling mistake and...I guess ignore what I said about Jack, since it's apparently a glitch.

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Hey, Masster Blaster
I know this is crazy,
But what about grammar?
So, commas maybe?

Edit: just teasing you :)

Modifié par XanderLav, 03 juillet 2012 - 05:25 .


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Big_Boss9 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I have a question why did my "slide show" only show Kasumi, Jacob, Samara, Grunt(he was mixed in with Wrex) and Zaeed. What about Jack and Miranda? Cant be because of there biotic implants because Kaidan was still alive.

Apparently, Jack and Miranda not showing up is a known bug with certain playthroughs.


Yep and it sucks that Bioware did not add cut scenes of our assets fighting the good fight and Wrex and Grunt owning every Reaepr force with a krogan army behind their Back.

Wrex: .....ONE VOICE! AND THAT WAS KORGAN!

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DrTsoni wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I have a question why did my "slide show" only show Kasumi, Jacob, Samara, Grunt(he was mixed in with Wrex) and Zaeed. What about Jack and Miranda? Cant be because of there biotic implants because Kaidan was still alive.


I was wondering that too. I used the same file for the other three endings after Destroy (I got the same characters as you did with the addition of Jack with her students) and in the other endings I got Miranda but not Zaeed. Grunt was in Control but not Synthesis. And Kasumi was staring at the greybox, rather than with the hologram of Keiji in Control and Destroy but in Synthesis she was with the hologram despite destroying the memories in ME2. Not sure what's up with that, probably intentional and not a glitch, though. I may have had a few different characters, but nothing I remember off the top of my head.
Perhaps when Miranda really does leave like she said she would at the FOB in Destroy but has reason to stay with the Alliance in the other two endings. Or she was killed because she's technically not completely organic. Someone may be able to check if she's flagged as dead if they have a save file on PC. I can't do it myself, otherwise I would.
I'm not sure why you didn't see Jack, as I did. I don't think Kaidan has anything to do with it, his implants wouldn't get him killed and, because Ash survives and he's the other VS, I doubt they'd do that.

Edit: Fixed a spelling mistake and...I guess ignore what I said about Jack, since it's apparently a glitch.


Ya and also
Guys think about it if Synthesis is the final evolution then if
Shepard is being Indoctrinated and it"s funny because the Catalyst said
they tried this before ( Saren) but it did not work.
So the Catalyst
is impaling we don"t control you so nothing bad is going to happen but
what the player doesn't know is that we are being Indoctrinated and that
if we pick Synthesis everyone get"s indoctrinated.

But they use
Human DNA to sustain the tissue/genetic material and Reaper coding to broadcast their signal, in which case that"s why we don"t see anyone
fighting back the Reapers.
Because the Reapers are using their codes
to confuse the newly Synthesis races in order to make more Reapers by
using Human DNA to help increase their numbers again since the War with
the Protheans and this cycle have done a great deal of damage to the
Reaper race.

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masster blaster wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I have a question why did my "slide show" only show Kasumi, Jacob, Samara, Grunt(he was mixed in with Wrex) and Zaeed. What about Jack and Miranda? Cant be because of there biotic implants because Kaidan was still alive.

Apparently, Jack and Miranda not showing up is a known bug with certain playthroughs.


Yep and it sucks that Bioware did not add cut scenes of our assets fighting the good fight and Wrex and Grunt owning every Reaepr force with a krogan army behind their Back.

Wrex: .....ONE VOICE AN THAT WAS KORGAN!


Nope, no cutscenes. Slideshows, though... <_<

Fricken cheap. That unofficial text ending generator that's up did a better job in extending the endings, in my opinion.

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Tasteful Understated Nerdrage: Extended Complaining (spoilers)



Watching now. Might not be IT related, but hey - its ending related!