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[Arian Dynas]

Rosewind wrote...

Arian!!! I need a hug

*GLOMP*

Aww... mean neighbor kids won't let ya play ball?

EDIT: For extra fun, imagine that with a silly sound effect.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 03 juillet 2012 - 06:27 .

[N7L4D]

So off topic guys, about to watch spiderman hahaha

[Rosewind]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian!!! I need a hug

*GLOMP*

Aww... mean neighbor kids won't let ya play ball?

EDIT: For extra fun, imagine that with a silly sound effect.

nah just still confused as hell, lol only finshed the game with ec last night. It doesn't disprove IT but doesn't prove it either. Come on!!! Who makes a pick up in the middle of the run to the beam really!! Still gave me a wtf moment lol

[HellishFiend]

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian!!! I need a hug

*GLOMP*

Aww... mean neighbor kids won't let ya play ball?

EDIT: For extra fun, imagine that with a silly sound effect.

nah just still confused as hell, lol only finshed the game with ec last night. It doesn't disprove IT but doesn't prove it either. Come on!!! Who makes a pick up in the middle of the run to the beam really!! Still gave me a wtf moment lol

Hopefully this post I wrote can be of some help:

What does Indoctrination do? It makes you see what you want to see in order for you to believe in Reaper goals. 
 
What were the endings as we originally had them? I think "multi-colored blank slates" is apt. Then what happened?

Bioware takes all the fan feedback and mushes it together into an EC that is exactly what literalists wanted to see.

Thus they are now in exactly the same situation an indoctrinated individual is in. Their desires have been manipulated in an attempt to get them to believe in 2 of the very concepts we've thematically been driven to oppose for over 100 hours of gameplay and storytelling.

 

If you look at it that way, the EC becomes less confusing and more of exactly what BW has to do to take this thing to levels we didnt think they would, at first. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 03 juillet 2012 - 06:39 .

[Andromidius]

leonia42 wrote...

Maybe it was something simple.. Shepard's death in ME2 lead him to becoming the "perfect" organic. I don't know but if you focus too hard on the small things you forget about the initial questions you were trying to answer.

The perfect organic.

Who's partially synthetic.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Arian Dynas wrote...

But someone correct me if I'm wrong, does the planet even HAVE an Oxygen-Nitrogen atmosphere? It may be denser, or it might be lighter. And as far as I could see, there was nothing even remotely hospitable to bacteria, which would retard decay even futher.

Nope, it is a Methane-Amonia atmosphere

[Arian Dynas]

The simplest explanation?

The EC is not, and never was the intended ending. It was fanservice, plain and simple. They literally took our feedback and worked it into the game, still giving us something riddled with plot holes, and absolutely abhorrent in a thematic sense.

Why do it? To keep the natives from getting restless. The Literalists were unhappy, Bioware did this to make them stick around and be happy about it, while the rest of us, whom were already pretty content with the endings, had to grin and bear it.

[Arian Dynas]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

But someone correct me if I'm wrong, does the planet even HAVE an Oxygen-Nitrogen atmosphere? It may be denser, or it might be lighter. And as far as I could see, there was nothing even remotely hospitable to bacteria, which would retard decay even futher.

Nope, it is a Methane-Amonia atmosphere

Welp, there you go, Methane is denser at cold temperatures, Ammonia is half as dense as air. Both are effectively deadly to earthly Levo-Ammino protein based bacteria like the kind that would be on Shepard's body, as well as being unlikely to bear life (perhaps with the exception of Volus) and thus retarding decay even further.

[Andromidius]

Arian Dynas wrote...

The simplest explanation?

The EC is not, and never was the intended ending. It was fanservice, plain and simple. They literally took our feedback and worked it into the game, still giving us something riddled with plot holes, and absolutely abhorrent in a thematic sense.

Why do it? To keep the natives from getting restless. The Literalists were unhappy, Bioware did this to make them stick around and be happy about it, while the rest of us, whom were already pretty content with the endings, had to grin and bear it.

I can agree that was their intent with the content.

I do, however, think their original 'Extended Cut' plans were different.  But based on the levels of hostility they decided to play nice for a bit before dropping the bomb on their heads a few months later with some pretty amazing DLC.

Well, so goes the hope anyway.

[Rosewind]

I am the Banshee Queen!!! Sorry lol bored

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Anything new guys?

[Arian Dynas]

Andromidius wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

The simplest explanation?

The EC is not, and never was the intended ending. It was fanservice, plain and simple. They literally took our feedback and worked it into the game, still giving us something riddled with plot holes, and absolutely abhorrent in a thematic sense.

Why do it? To keep the natives from getting restless. The Literalists were unhappy, Bioware did this to make them stick around and be happy about it, while the rest of us, whom were already pretty content with the endings, had to grin and bear it.

I can agree that was their intent with the content.

I do, however, think their original 'Extended Cut' plans were different.  But based on the levels of hostility they decided to play nice for a bit before dropping the bomb on their heads a few months later with some pretty amazing DLC.

Well, so goes the hope anyway.

They have stated the EC was never planned. They were however working on SOMETHING.

The presence of a few things alone makes this obvious.

"Keep your saves."

"If you guys knew what we were planning..."

The existence of the legendsave.

The clear Multiplayer tie in to the storyline.

The comic book series for this run, covering the backstories of ME3 squad members, (why do that if they've already "shot their load" so to speak? It should have been build up if nothing was forthcoming.)

Even one of these alone would indicate more to be forthcoming.

[Arian Dynas]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Anything new guys?

Um... well I codified Indoctrination into seven distinct psychosomatic stages?

Arian Dynas wrote...

As I see it, there are 7 stages of Indoctrination.

The Motor Control Stage, or "Fast" Indoctrination - Fast Indoctrination, in which the synaptic pathways of the entire brain are remapped, completely overwritting both the personality of the individual, as well as lower brain functions, leaving the subject entirely incapable of caring for or defending itself, reducing it to the level of a drooling animal. By this point, the only things it is capable of are receiving commands from the controlling Reaper, and minor bodily and regulatory functions, suck as breathing and other fuctions centered in the Reptillian Brain.

The Subliminal Stage, or Stage 2 Slow - 
First contact, the Reaper can begin the process, but there are no symptoms, the subject remains a "carrier" in that either sufficient time to break down their willpower or continued exposure to Indoctrination signals will advance the process to stage 2. Imagine stage one as being similar to a hole being ripped in a piece of Nylon. Give it enough time and it will run on it's own, but if someone pulls at it, it tears faster.

The Subconcious Stage, or Stage 3 Slow - 
The Reaper has begun to hijack some of the more minor perception based mental processes and can begin to make it's presence known, auditory hallucinations of whispers and feelings of paranoia begin here, as does the sensation of being watched, bad dreams can also take place.

The Hallucinatory-Preperatory Stage, or Stage 3 Slow - The information processing centers of the brain are entirely under the control of the Reaper by this point, whom can either make the subject perceive ghostly presences, nonexistent beings, and can speak directly to the subject by way of a sort of telepathic hallucination. If there are multiple subjects they may begin to share memories or hallucinations, sometimes even dreams as preperation for integration together as a Reaper Mind.

The Mental Control Stage, or Stage 4a Slow - By this point, the Reaper has now managed to take direct control of the Prefrontal Cortex, maniplulating the personality and personal values of the subject directly, attacking their own sense of ethics in a way they can't argue, as opposed to manipulating their perception of events. Some choose to resist at this stage, rather than simply give in and surrender control, instead retreating into their own minds, entering into a catatonic state, and leaving the Reaper uncontested in his control of the body. This of course is an undesired outcome, since the entire purpose of Slow Indoctrination is to gain the acceptance of the subject, allowing the Reapers to make use of their technical skills and social knowledge, rather than merely using their body.

Indoctrination or Stage 4b Slow - The Reaper, finding itself unable to directly control the personality of the subject finds itself needing to change the subject's acceptance of their veiwpoint, thus moving to true indoctrination, forcing the subject, either through trickery, intimidation or subtle manipulation to accept the Reaper's argument.

Implantation or Stage 5 - The subject has allowed physical implantation of Reaper technology into it's body, either by nanides, which potentially could have been used thus far to speed the process along, or through more traditional implantation. This is also the same stage Husks are at, seeing as they are the results of Fast Indoctrination with Implantation. 

Shepard has had far more than enough contact to indoctrinate him 30 times over. The Arch Monolith, the object responsible for the indoctrination of Saren and The Illusive Man, could turn a human being from zero to husk in less than a second. It indoctrinated TIM and Saren via contact from beings who touched the Monolith.

 

[BansheeOwnage]

Rosewind wrote...

I am the Banshee Queen!!! Sorry lol bored

No. I am.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 03 juillet 2012 - 07:15 .

[Arian Dynas]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I am the Banshee Queen!!! Sorry lol bored

No. I am.

Ooooh.

Banshee Pwnage! 

[Rosewind]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I am the Banshee Queen!!! Sorry lol bored

No. I am.

*Glare* Oh well You can be a naked mutated ugly Asari I give lol

[BansheeOwnage]

Rosewind wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I am the Banshee Queen!!! Sorry lol bored

No. I am.

*Glare* Oh well You can be a naked mutated ugly Asari I give lol

[Arian Dynas]

Rosewind wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I am the Banshee Queen!!! Sorry lol bored

No. I am.

*Glare* Oh well You can be a naked mutated ugly Asari I give lol

Well, I declare you to be Queen of the Ban Sidhe.

[Arian Dynas]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I am the Banshee Queen!!! Sorry lol bored

No. I am.

*Glare* Oh well You can be a naked mutated ugly Asari I give lol

*Offers hug*

[BansheeOwnage]

Arian Dynas wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I am the Banshee Queen!!! Sorry lol bored

No. I am.

*Glare* Oh well You can be a naked mutated ugly Asari I give lol

*Offers hug*

*Accepts*

[BansheeOwnage]

[Rosewind]

Arian Dynas wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I am the Banshee Queen!!! Sorry lol bored

No. I am.

*Glare* Oh well You can be a naked mutated ugly Asari I give lol

*Offers hug*

*wails!!* "Oh my looooooooooooooove how you died and went to hell OH WHY DIDN'T you take me with you!!

Okay back on topic lol

Edit: Woops quoted the wrong one.

Modifié par Rosewind, 03 juillet 2012 - 07:32 .

[Arian Dynas]

Topics.

We have dismissed that claim. *airquotes*

[Leonia]

So what about that jungle planet?

[RampantAndroid]

So, to rear my ugly head in this thread to try to further show my line of thinking, this article while months old is basically one of the points I was trying to make. The article also covers both sides of the argument (again, being out of date by now, it still seems to be very relevant to the topic at hand.)

http://www.gamefront...ation-theory/7/

I'd also be curious to see how people think this fits with IT:
http://kotaku.com/59...f-mass-effect-3 

Modifié par RampantAndroid, 03 juillet 2012 - 07:51 .