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[BansheeOwnage]

leonia42 wrote...

So what about that jungle planet?

Well post EC it doesn't really seem to matter in a literal sense. For IT it's about the same.

[Leonia]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

So what about that jungle planet?

Well post EC it doesn't really seem to matter in a literal sense. For IT it's about the same.

Do you discount the Memorial scene by supporting IT?

I think part of my reluctance to entertain the notion of the theory is that it would mean a lot of great, emotional moments never happened like the conversation with Anderson. Unless you assume only some bits are dreams and others actually happened.

Modifié par leonia42, 03 juillet 2012 - 07:51 .

[Auralius Carolus]

So yeah, I'm nervous: as it turns out, a rabbit I found and put down a while back could have been rabid. I wore gloves to carry it away, then washed, but a sense of restlessness in my left arm is fricken creeping me out right now... oh daggonit! She's back under the bridge!

[BansheeOwnage]

leonia42 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

So what about that jungle planet?

Well post EC it doesn't really seem to matter in a literal sense. For IT it's about the same.

Do you discount the Memorial scene by supporting IT?

Yes. That would be in Shepard's head. It's not like that's farfetched compared to other things. As for emotional moments, either way they had to have some for an ending regardless of if it's ment to be true. But for me, all of them are really sad. Anderson for obvious reasons, your LI mourning your loss (in my case again) and a sad goodbye scene.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 03 juillet 2012 - 07:54 .

[zigamortis]

Arian Dynas wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Anything new guys?

Um... well I codified Indoctrination into seven distinct psychosomatic stages?

Arian Dynas wrote...

As I see it, there are 7 stages of Indoctrination.

The Motor Control Stage, or "Fast" Indoctrination - Fast Indoctrination, in which the synaptic pathways of the entire brain are remapped, completely overwritting both the personality of the individual, as well as lower brain functions, leaving the subject entirely incapable of caring for or defending itself, reducing it to the level of a drooling animal. By this point, the only things it is capable of are receiving commands from the controlling Reaper, and minor bodily and regulatory functions, suck as breathing and other fuctions centered in the Reptillian Brain.

The Subliminal Stage, or Stage 2 Slow - 
First contact, the Reaper can begin the process, but there are no symptoms, the subject remains a "carrier" in that either sufficient time to break down their willpower or continued exposure to Indoctrination signals will advance the process to stage 2. Imagine stage one as being similar to a hole being ripped in a piece of Nylon. Give it enough time and it will run on it's own, but if someone pulls at it, it tears faster.

The Subconcious Stage, or Stage 3 Slow - 
The Reaper has begun to hijack some of the more minor perception based mental processes and can begin to make it's presence known, auditory hallucinations of whispers and feelings of paranoia begin here, as does the sensation of being watched, bad dreams can also take place.

The Hallucinatory-Preperatory Stage, or Stage 3 Slow - The information processing centers of the brain are entirely under the control of the Reaper by this point, whom can either make the subject perceive ghostly presences, nonexistent beings, and can speak directly to the subject by way of a sort of telepathic hallucination. If there are multiple subjects they may begin to share memories or hallucinations, sometimes even dreams as preperation for integration together as a Reaper Mind.

The Mental Control Stage, or Stage 4a Slow - By this point, the Reaper has now managed to take direct control of the Prefrontal Cortex, maniplulating the personality and personal values of the subject directly, attacking their own sense of ethics in a way they can't argue, as opposed to manipulating their perception of events. Some choose to resist at this stage, rather than simply give in and surrender control, instead retreating into their own minds, entering into a catatonic state, and leaving the Reaper uncontested in his control of the body. This of course is an undesired outcome, since the entire purpose of Slow Indoctrination is to gain the acceptance of the subject, allowing the Reapers to make use of their technical skills and social knowledge, rather than merely using their body.

Indoctrination or Stage 4b Slow - The Reaper, finding itself unable to directly control the personality of the subject finds itself needing to change the subject's acceptance of their veiwpoint, thus moving to true indoctrination, forcing the subject, either through trickery, intimidation or subtle manipulation to accept the Reaper's argument.

Implantation or Stage 5 - The subject has allowed physical implantation of Reaper technology into it's body, either by nanides, which potentially could have been used thus far to speed the process along, or through more traditional implantation. This is also the same stage Husks are at, seeing as they are the results of Fast Indoctrination with Implantation. 

Shepard has had far more than enough contact to indoctrinate him 30 times over. The Arch Monolith, the object responsible for the indoctrination of Saren and The Illusive Man, could turn a human being from zero to husk in less than a second. It indoctrinated TIM and Saren via contact from beings who touched the Monolith.

 

Interesting...

[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

So yeah, I'm nervous: as it turns out, a rabbit I found and put down a while back could have been rabid. I wore gloves to carry it away, then washed, but a sense of restlessness in my left arm is fricken creeping me out right now... oh daggonit! She's back under the bridge!

Can you feel pain in your arm? If not, go get a shot in the gut.

Otherwise you're probably fine.

If you're really worried either way, go check with a doctor.

We won't notice though, whenever you come in it's always like you're foaming at the mouth. 

[Arian Dynas]

RampantAndroid wrote...

So, to rear my ugly head in this thread to try to further show my line of thinking, this article while months old is basically one of the points I was trying to make. The article also covers both sides of the argument (again, being out of date by now, it still seems to be very relevant to the topic at hand.)

http://www.gamefront...ation-theory/7/

I'd also be curious to see how people think this fits with IT:
http://kotaku.com/59...f-mass-effect-3 

The article was written by a person who shares two things with you. A failure to understand Indoctrination theory, and poor understanding of basic marketing.

As for how the other fits into IT...
...

By being exactly the very premise that Indoctrination theory bases itself on?

[Arian Dynas]

leonia42 wrote...

So what about that jungle planet?

What about it? 

[Leonia]

Wish I could dismiss it so easily, it's driving me crazy.

[HellishFiend]

That android fellow sure shows an inordinate amount of interest in this topic, considering his position on it.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Bit off topic, but just foudn what could potentially be a subtle Mass Effect reference in Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

It is  random emil I foudn while simply reading through one of the millions of emials you find on computers in taht game. It was a reply from a John Sheperd to some random dude in which John Sheperd asked the dude he was replying to to stop with the air quotes and said "you are starting to sound like a politician."

He also ended his reply with. "The Sheperd"

What do you think, coincedence or reference?

[Leonia]

Sitting on the fence is more fun then picking a side though it is a pain in the back side.

[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

So yeah, I'm nervous: as it turns out, a rabbit I found and put down a while back could have been rabid. I wore gloves to carry it away, then washed, but a sense of restlessness in my left arm is fricken creeping me out right now... oh daggonit! She's back under the bridge!

Can you feel pain in your arm? If not, go get a shot in the gut.

Otherwise you're probably fine.

If you're really worried either way, go check with a doctor.

We won't notice though, whenever you come in it's always like you're foaming at the mouth. 

Foaming at the mouth??? Please, I'm one of the tamest ones in this thread. Except to you and Rif...

While unlikely, I have a tendancy for being a hypochondriac.

No wild animal has bitten me- at least, no mammals- and I can't think of any wound/saliva exposure.

[FellishBeast]

Okay I have been out of the loop for awhile, so if someone has already brought this up, you may promptly shoot me down.

Wouldn't the memorial scene support IT, since the crew reacts differently depending on what Shepard chose? (in regards to them hesitating for "high" EMS destroy)

There would be now way for them to know whether or not Shep could have survived, would there? There is nothing different in any of the main three endings from the crew's perspective that would alter their assessment of Shepard's well-being, as far as I am aware.

[Leonia]

The sticking point being that the memorial scene happens on Jungle Planet.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

leonia42 wrote...

The sticking point being that the memorial scene happens on Jungle Planet.

The fully habitable jungle planet supposedly within easy FTL distance of Earth...

[prettz]

HellishFiend I think I found out why we see space on Cronos Station. it's a debunker that it has anything to do with IT thou

[Auralius Carolus]

FellishBeast wrote...

Okay I have been out of the loop for awhile, so if someone has already brought this up, you may promptly shoot me down.

Wouldn't the memorial scene support IT, since the crew reacts differently depending on what Shepard chose? (in regards to them hesitating for "high" EMS destroy)

There would be now way for them to know whether or not Shep could have survived, would there? There is nothing different in any of the main three endings from the crew's perspective that would alter their assessment of Shepard's well-being, as far as I am aware.

The Memorial Wall scene is, presumably, meant for emotional and narrative impact.

It's significance within the plot is likely minimal.

[HellishFiend]

prettz wrote...

HellishFiend I think I found out why we see space on Cronos Station. it's a debunker that it has anything to do with IT thou

It's because the area behind that wall gets unloaded. That's all fine and dandy, but there is no way they didnt know about it. And they likey would have fixed it if they cared to. Not only is it open to space, but it has that weird power misdirection thing, almost as if to call attention to the fact that it's strange. 

[Leonia]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

The sticking point being that the memorial scene happens on Jungle Planet.

The fully habitable jungle planet supposedly within easy FTL distance of Earth...

*looks up planets in the Arcturus System which is the only place the Sol relay connects with*

Yeah, I still have no fraking idea on that planet. It felt like it was supposed to be real though, they went through the trouble of showing that the Normandy is no longer stranded there. Why bother if it it's supposed to be a dream planet?

[Auralius Carolus]

leonia42 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

The sticking point being that the memorial scene happens on Jungle Planet.

The fully habitable jungle planet supposedly within easy FTL distance of Earth...

*looks up planets in the Arcturus System which is the only place the Sol relay connects with*

Yeah, I still have no fraking idea on that planet. It felt like it was supposed to be real though, they went through the trouble of showing that the Normandy is no longer stranded there. Why bother if it it's supposed to be a dream planet?

It struck me as fairy tale-like... how the Normandy magically is returned to being squeeky clean and functional. Honestly I could live without that, about as much as space brat.

[prettz]

HellishFiend wrote...

It's because the area behind that wall gets unloaded. That's all fine and dandy, but there is no way they didnt know about it. And they likey would have fixed it if they cared to. Not only is it open to space, but it has that weird power misdirection thing, almost as if to call attention to the fact that it's strange. 

nuts you figerd it out already !!! I mean good you figerd it out already:innocent: but yeah I have nothing on the weird power Misderection thing.

[Andromidius]

Here's another question...

If the Normandy is ordered to retreat to the rendezous point, we can assume the rest of Sword/Shield Fleet was as well? If so, this means essentially abandoning Hammer on Earth.

It also begs the question of if the Normandy barely escapes intact, what happened to the slower, larger and less agile members of the fleet? Caught in the shockwave?

It also begs another question - how did the fleets disengage from the Reapers? Last we saw it had become an ugly brawl, with no clearly defined fleet lines. Disengaging from such an action would be very costly, and Reapers are faster then most of the larger vessels in the fleet.

So unless ONLY the Normandy was ordered to retreat (why?), this means extreme losses in Sword/Shield fleet. Losses that were potentially unnecessary, unless Hackett pulled his favourite 'leave a rearguard to be slaughtered while I run away' maneover.

The EC just confuses things even more.

[Leonia]

Did the shockwave actually happen?

[Auralius Carolus]

Andromidius wrote...

Here's another question...

If the Normandy is ordered to retreat to the rendezous point, we can assume the rest of Sword/Shield Fleet was as well? If so, this means essentially abandoning Hammer on Earth.

It also begs the question of if the Normandy barely escapes intact, what happened to the slower, larger and less agile members of the fleet? Caught in the shockwave?

It also begs another question - how did the fleets disengage from the Reapers? Last we saw it had become an ugly brawl, with no clearly defined fleet lines. Disengaging from such an action would be very costly, and Reapers are faster then most of the larger vessels in the fleet.

So unless ONLY the Normandy was ordered to retreat (why?), this means extreme losses in Sword/Shield fleet. Losses that were potentially unnecessary, unless Hackett pulled his favourite 'leave a rearguard to be slaughtered while I run away' maneover.

The EC just confuses things even more.

Disengaging makes sense, given that the Crucible was known to emit massive amounts of dark energy. If it didn't work, Hammer and all of the galaxy would have been lost; if it did, then ground forces would be fine, for the most part.

As to disengaging losses, I've never heard of combat occuring at FTL speeds. There may have been a few during setting the vessels for their new destination, but I would imagine that to be all.