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[Auralius Carolus]

leonia42 wrote...

Did the shockwave actually happen?

If the old IT still holds true, everything past Harbinger firing at you isn't real.

[Andromidius]

leonia42 wrote...

Did the shockwave actually happen?

I'm talking from a literal point of view, so yes.

If no-one can make sense of it, then its another notch in the 'this isn't real' verdict.  If it can be made sense of, then it can be left alone.

But really, it is bizarre.  There's no reason to retreat, and it just strands their ground forces on Earth to be annihiliated by overwhelming Reaper forces.  No tactician worth their salt would pull such a poorly planned disengagement.

[HellishFiend]

prettz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

It's because the area behind that wall gets unloaded. That's all fine and dandy, but there is no way they didnt know about it. And they likey would have fixed it if they cared to. Not only is it open to space, but it has that weird power misdirection thing, almost as if to call attention to the fact that it's strange. 

nuts you figerd it out already !!! I mean good you figerd it out already:innocent: but yeah I have nothing on the weird power Misderection thing.

The most suspicious thing about it, aside from the power misdirection behavior, is the fact that to even get to that breach, you have to pass up the blue hole leading down to the proto reaper and circle around. And the hole is right behind a video log console, so you can actually see the breach through the transparent console screen as you're watching the videos. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:41 .

[Andromidius]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Disengaging makes sense, given that the Crucible was known to emit massive amounts of dark energy. If it didn't work, Hammer and all of the galaxy would have been lost; if it did, then ground forces would be fine, for the most part.

As to disengaging losses, I've never heard of combat occuring at FTL speeds. There may have been a few during setting the vessels for their new destination, but I would imagine that to be all.

So much for 'this is it, we do or we die'.  Retreating wouldn't help anything - if Earth gets torched by the Crucible, the war is over anyway.  And if the Crucible ends up working, there's no guarentee it would finish the Reapers by itself - and thus the Fleet would still be needed.  And abandoning Earth a second time seems rather off.

And I can't imagine a Capital Ship can jump to FTL at a whim, especially during combat.  Turning away from a Reaper would just give them an easy target (common sense says that armour and barriers would be weakest on the tail) and prevent firing from main batteries.  Not to mention any ships that don't have a clear avenue of escape.

The whole 'fall back' thing just feels contrived, and there's no pretext for it.

[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

So yeah, I'm nervous: as it turns out, a rabbit I found and put down a while back could have been rabid. I wore gloves to carry it away, then washed, but a sense of restlessness in my left arm is fricken creeping me out right now... oh daggonit! She's back under the bridge!

Can you feel pain in your arm? If not, go get a shot in the gut.

Otherwise you're probably fine.

If you're really worried either way, go check with a doctor.

We won't notice though, whenever you come in it's always like you're foaming at the mouth. 

Foaming at the mouth??? Please, I'm one of the tamest ones in this thread. Except to you and Rif...

While unlikely, I have a tendancy for being a hypochondriac.

No wild animal has bitten me- at least, no mammals- and I can't think of any wound/saliva exposure.

I'm only teasing, you rabid chinchilla lover. 

[HellishFiend]

Andromidius wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Disengaging makes sense, given that the Crucible was known to emit massive amounts of dark energy. If it didn't work, Hammer and all of the galaxy would have been lost; if it did, then ground forces would be fine, for the most part.

As to disengaging losses, I've never heard of combat occuring at FTL speeds. There may have been a few during setting the vessels for their new destination, but I would imagine that to be all.

So much for 'this is it, we do or we die'.  Retreating wouldn't help anything - if Earth gets torched by the Crucible, the war is over anyway.  And if the Crucible ends up working, there's no guarentee it would finish the Reapers by itself - and thus the Fleet would still be needed.  And abandoning Earth a second time seems rather off.

And I can't imagine a Capital Ship can jump to FTL at a whim, especially during combat.  Turning away from a Reaper would just give them an easy target (common sense says that armour and barriers would be weakest on the tail) and prevent firing from main batteries.  Not to mention any ships that don't have a clear avenue of escape.

The whole 'fall back' thing just feels contrived, and there's no pretext for it.

I think you meant "every single 'explanation' in the EC feels contrived".   Really, I dont think any of them feel natural or justified. 

[Arian Dynas]

leonia42 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

The sticking point being that the memorial scene happens on Jungle Planet.

The fully habitable jungle planet supposedly within easy FTL distance of Earth...

*looks up planets in the Arcturus System which is the only place the Sol relay connects with*

Yeah, I still have no fraking idea on that planet. It felt like it was supposed to be real though, they went through the trouble of showing that the Normandy is no longer stranded there. Why bother if it it's supposed to be a dream planet?

Because the EC was fanservice meant to satisfy the literalists and was never actually something they intended to back up with actual facts?

A thought occured to me.

The people who don't care about Mass Effect 3 enough to be bothered by the ending even now [Read: Literalists] won't buy DLC.

They simply won't care. They bought ME3, might buy ME4, but most got their fix, shot their load, the people who DO care are the ones, having discovered the series, went back and bought the other two, consumed the setting. THESE are the people who will buy DLC.

The DLC is for us.

Oh and by the way, I continue to find it amusing that when I coined the term "Literalist" I never thought it would gain the vogue it has. Lol,

[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm only teasing, you rabid chinchilla lover. 

Now you're gonna feel bad if I never post in here again... have nightmares about me strapped down to a hospital bed, foaming at the mouth...

It's probably just a mixture of caffeine intoxication and anxiety medication, but I'm gonna leave you to think about it Arian!

[Andromidius]

HellishFiend wrote...

I think you meant "every single 'explanation' in the EC feels contrived".   Really, I dont think any of them feel natural or justified. 

True dat.  Just started thinking about the whole falling back deal, and how unnatural it seems and how its not stated who exactly is doing the falling back - significant/all the fleet, or just the Normandy?

Another confusing aspect to the EC 

[v0rt3x22]

Morning guys. Anything new?

[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm only teasing, you rabid chinchilla lover. 

Now you're gonna feel bad if I never post in here again... have nightmares about me strapped down to a hospital bed, foaming at the mouth...

It's probably just a mixture of caffeine intoxication and anxiety medication, but I'm gonna leave you to think about it Arian!

Oh no... now you're teasing me about guilt... my depression will never be able to take it. Now YOU will have nightmares of me, crushed by your rejection hanging myself with a rope and a stool.

You cruel, cruel man. 

Speaking of which; My future, thanks to you. :happy:

[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Because the EC was fanservice meant to satisfy the literalists and was never actually something they intended to back up with actual facts?

A thought occured to me.

The people who don't care about Mass Effect 3 enough to be bothered by the ending even now [Read: Literalists] won't buy DLC.

They simply won't care. They bought ME3, might buy ME4, but most got their fix, shot their load, the people who DO care are the ones, having discovered the series, went back and bought the other two, consumed the setting. THESE are the people who will buy DLC.

The DLC is for us.

Oh and by the way, I continue to find it amusing that when I coined the term "Literalist" I never thought it would gain the vogue it has. Lol,

Just like when a politician sacrifices his integrity to pander to a fringe group. Great job genius! You just alienated the core of your voter base to pick up some stragglers that will never be as loyal or numerous as us. Sold your soul for a bag of chips...

[FellishBeast]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Okay I have been out of the loop for awhile, so if someone has already brought this up, you may promptly shoot me down.

Wouldn't the memorial scene support IT, since the crew reacts differently depending on what Shepard chose? (in regards to them hesitating for "high" EMS destroy)

There would be now way for them to know whether or not Shep could have survived, would there? There is nothing different in any of the main three endings from the crew's perspective that would alter their assessment of Shepard's well-being, as far as I am aware.

The Memorial Wall scene is, presumably, meant for emotional and narrative impact.

It's significance within the plot is likely minimal.

I find your answer unsatisfactory.

[zigamortis]

leonia42 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

The sticking point being that the memorial scene happens on Jungle Planet.

The fully habitable jungle planet supposedly within easy FTL distance of Earth...

*looks up planets in the Arcturus System which is the only place the Sol relay connects with*

Yeah, I still have no fraking idea on that planet. It felt like it was supposed to be real though, they went through the trouble of showing that the Normandy is no longer stranded there. Why bother if it it's supposed to be a dream planet?

The plants are still listed as "Dream foliage" so i still call shenanigans if it is supposed to be real.

[Leonia]

The foliage is used on the ground during the dream sequences so..

[gunslinger_ruiz]

leonia42 wrote...

The foliage is used on the ground during the dream sequences so..

It's also in certain places on Grissom Academy too. I'm sure I've seen it at least one more place...  The Childs garden in the beginning? Not sure.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:13 .

[zigamortis]

HellishFiend wrote...

prettz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

It's because the area behind that wall gets unloaded. That's all fine and dandy, but there is no way they didnt know about it. And they likey would have fixed it if they cared to. Not only is it open to space, but it has that weird power misdirection thing, almost as if to call attention to the fact that it's strange. 

nuts you figerd it out already !!! I mean good you figerd it out already:innocent: but yeah I have nothing on the weird power Misderection thing.

The most suspicious thing about it, aside from the power misdirection behavior, is the fact that to even get to that breach, you have to pass up the blue hole leading down to the proto reaper and circle around. And the hole is right behind a video log console, so you can actually see the breach through the transparent console screen as you're watching the videos. 

Open space?

[Andromidius]

leonia42 wrote...

The foliage is used on the ground during the dream sequences so..

Yep.

Question would be, if they aren't supposed to be dreamlike and the models are used all over the place...

Why label them as 'dream plants'?  Why not just 'plants', and just stick them into the dreams if you want to reuse them?  Wouldn't confuse anyone or make people think 'hang on, that's fishy!'

Modifié par Andromidius, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:14 .

[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Because the EC was fanservice meant to satisfy the literalists and was never actually something they intended to back up with actual facts?

A thought occured to me.

The people who don't care about Mass Effect 3 enough to be bothered by the ending even now [Read: Literalists] won't buy DLC.

They simply won't care. They bought ME3, might buy ME4, but most got their fix, shot their load, the people who DO care are the ones, having discovered the series, went back and bought the other two, consumed the setting. THESE are the people who will buy DLC.

The DLC is for us.

Oh and by the way, I continue to find it amusing that when I coined the term "Literalist" I never thought it would gain the vogue it has. Lol,

Just like when a politician sacrifices his integrity to pander to a fringe group. Great job genius! You just alienated the core of your voter base to pick up some stragglers that will never be as loyal or numerous as us. Sold your soul for a bag of chips...

In this case, they never lost us.

Well they lost some of us, but it's not a permanent thing.

[Arian Dynas]

FellishBeast wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Okay I have been out of the loop for awhile, so if someone has already brought this up, you may promptly shoot me down.

Wouldn't the memorial scene support IT, since the crew reacts differently depending on what Shepard chose? (in regards to them hesitating for "high" EMS destroy)

There would be now way for them to know whether or not Shep could have survived, would there? There is nothing different in any of the main three endings from the crew's perspective that would alter their assessment of Shepard's well-being, as far as I am aware.

The Memorial Wall scene is, presumably, meant for emotional and narrative impact.

It's significance within the plot is likely minimal.

I find your answer unsatisfactory.

I find your lack of faith disturbing. /Vader 

[zigamortis]

leonia42 wrote...

The foliage is used on the ground during the dream sequences so..

Not the ones im talking about. the foliage on the eden planet is listed as dream foliage.

[SubAstris]

Arian Dynas wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

The sticking point being that the memorial scene happens on Jungle Planet.

The fully habitable jungle planet supposedly within easy FTL distance of Earth...

*looks up planets in the Arcturus System which is the only place the Sol relay connects with*

Yeah, I still have no fraking idea on that planet. It felt like it was supposed to be real though, they went through the trouble of showing that the Normandy is no longer stranded there. Why bother if it it's supposed to be a dream planet?

Because the EC was fanservice meant to satisfy the literalists and was never actually something they intended to back up with actual facts?

A thought occured to me.

The people who don't care about Mass Effect 3 enough to be bothered by the ending even now [Read: Literalists] won't buy DLC.

They simply won't care. They bought ME3, might buy ME4, but most got their fix, shot their load, the people who DO care are the ones, having discovered the series, went back and bought the other two, consumed the setting. THESE are the people who will buy DLC.

The DLC is for us.

Oh and by the way, I continue to find it amusing that when I coined the term "Literalist" I never thought it would gain the vogue it has. Lol,

But Arian I thought 80% of players liked IT? Why satisfy a minority when in fact you can wow a majority?

Furthermore your comments imply that any "literalists" are not proper fans which is simply not true

Modifié par SubAstris, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:35 .

[HellishFiend]

zigamortis wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

prettz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

It's because the area behind that wall gets unloaded. That's all fine and dandy, but there is no way they didnt know about it. And they likey would have fixed it if they cared to. Not only is it open to space, but it has that weird power misdirection thing, almost as if to call attention to the fact that it's strange. 

nuts you figerd it out already !!! I mean good you figerd it out already:innocent: but yeah I have nothing on the weird power Misderection thing.

The most suspicious thing about it, aside from the power misdirection behavior, is the fact that to even get to that breach, you have to pass up the blue hole leading down to the proto reaper and circle around. And the hole is right behind a video log console, so you can actually see the breach through the transparent console screen as you're watching the videos. 

Open space?

Yes, open space. It is the default "empty space" space that is present for any area that is not actively loaded. But the circumstances of it seem to suggest that Bioware was well aware of it and left it there intentionally, even calling attention to it by putting it directly behind the video console, where you would be sure to notice it. 

[zigamortis]

SubAstris wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

The sticking point being that the memorial scene happens on Jungle Planet.

The fully habitable jungle planet supposedly within easy FTL distance of Earth...

*looks up planets in the Arcturus System which is the only place the Sol relay connects with*

Yeah, I still have no fraking idea on that planet. It felt like it was supposed to be real though, they went through the trouble of showing that the Normandy is no longer stranded there. Why bother if it it's supposed to be a dream planet?

Because the EC was fanservice meant to satisfy the literalists and was never actually something they intended to back up with actual facts?

A thought occured to me.

The people who don't care about Mass Effect 3 enough to be bothered by the ending even now [Read: Literalists] won't buy DLC.

They simply won't care. They bought ME3, might buy ME4, but most got their fix, shot their load, the people who DO care are the ones, having discovered the series, went back and bought the other two, consumed the setting. THESE are the people who will buy DLC.

The DLC is for us.

Oh and by the way, I continue to find it amusing that when I coined the term "Literalist" I never thought it would gain the vogue it has. Lol,

But Arian I thought 80% of players liked IT? Why satisfy a minority when in fact you can wow a majority?

Furthermore your comments imply that any "literalists" are not proper fans which is simply not true

Unfortunatly literalists are not real fans, not truly. if they were they would realize why the indoctrination theory makes sense out of nonsense using the pre-exsisting lore and content. something that actually makes sense

[Humakt83]

I find it interesting how the marine at the end scene is able to fend for himself against Husks when you select Destroy ending. With Control and Synthesis he's still struggling but already down. A metaphor of Shepard's will?

Videos:

Synthesis

Control

Destroy