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[HellishFiend]

Humakt83 wrote...

I find it interesting how the marine at the end scene is able to fend for himself against Husks when you select Destroy ending. With Control and Synthesis he's still struggling but already down. A metaphor of Shepard's will?

Videos:

Synthesis

Control

Destroy

I would imagine so, yes.  BW could have easily used the same "template" they used for Control and Synthesis, but instead they made a different one that has the soldier showing much more resolve, never lowering his gun before the husks are vaporized. 

[Andromidius]

zigamortis wrote...
Unfortunatly literalists are not real fans, not truly. if they were they would realize why the indoctrination theory makes sense out of nonsense using the pre-exsisting lore and content. something that actually makes sense

That's a bit harsh.  Most literalists are fans I'm sure - and not all of them even like the ending or the EC even.

[Andromidius]

HellishFiend wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

I find it interesting how the marine at the end scene is able to fend for himself against Husks when you select Destroy ending. With Control and Synthesis he's still struggling but already down. A metaphor of Shepard's will?

Videos:

Synthesis

Control

Destroy

I would imagine so, yes.  BW could have easily used the same "template" they used for Control and Synthesis, but instead they made a different one that has the soldier showing much more resolve, never lowering his gun before the husks are vaporized. 

That is pretty strange.  Two very similar scenes for Synthesis and Control (showing one soldier struggling against a single Husk, and his comrade is seemingly cowering in fear), and a different one for Destroy (soldier defending his comrade and even trying to carry him away while taking on large numbers of Husks).  Not sure why they'd have that distinction if it didn't mean anything...

Oh, and he's a non-Coats soldier without a hat.  *cough*

Modifié par Andromidius, 03 juillet 2012 - 09:58 .

[SubAstris]

zigamortis wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

The sticking point being that the memorial scene happens on Jungle Planet.

The fully habitable jungle planet supposedly within easy FTL distance of Earth...

*looks up planets in the Arcturus System which is the only place the Sol relay connects with*

Yeah, I still have no fraking idea on that planet. It felt like it was supposed to be real though, they went through the trouble of showing that the Normandy is no longer stranded there. Why bother if it it's supposed to be a dream planet?

Because the EC was fanservice meant to satisfy the literalists and was never actually something they intended to back up with actual facts?

A thought occured to me.

The people who don't care about Mass Effect 3 enough to be bothered by the ending even now [Read: Literalists] won't buy DLC.

They simply won't care. They bought ME3, might buy ME4, but most got their fix, shot their load, the people who DO care are the ones, having discovered the series, went back and bought the other two, consumed the setting. THESE are the people who will buy DLC.

The DLC is for us.

Oh and by the way, I continue to find it amusing that when I coined the term "Literalist" I never thought it would gain the vogue it has. Lol,

But Arian I thought 80% of players liked IT? Why satisfy a minority when in fact you can wow a majority?

Furthermore your comments imply that any "literalists" are not proper fans which is simply not true

Unfortunatly literalists are not real fans, not truly. if they were they would realize why the indoctrination theory makes sense out of nonsense using the pre-exsisting lore and content. something that actually makes sense

You cannot comprehend how wrong you are on that particular issue. IT aside, that is just foolish to say.

[zigamortis]

That is quite odd that they differentiate between control/synthesis and destroy but not from each other....

[Andromidius]

SubAstris wrote...

You cannot comprehend how wrong you are on that particular issue. IT aside, that is just foolish to say.

I agree.  Ad-hominum attacks aren't cool.

[zigamortis]

SubAstris wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

The sticking point being that the memorial scene happens on Jungle Planet.

The fully habitable jungle planet supposedly within easy FTL distance of Earth...

*looks up planets in the Arcturus System which is the only place the Sol relay connects with*

Yeah, I still have no fraking idea on that planet. It felt like it was supposed to be real though, they went through the trouble of showing that the Normandy is no longer stranded there. Why bother if it it's supposed to be a dream planet?

Because the EC was fanservice meant to satisfy the literalists and was never actually something they intended to back up with actual facts?

A thought occured to me.

The people who don't care about Mass Effect 3 enough to be bothered by the ending even now [Read: Literalists] won't buy DLC.

They simply won't care. They bought ME3, might buy ME4, but most got their fix, shot their load, the people who DO care are the ones, having discovered the series, went back and bought the other two, consumed the setting. THESE are the people who will buy DLC.

The DLC is for us.

Oh and by the way, I continue to find it amusing that when I coined the term "Literalist" I never thought it would gain the vogue it has. Lol,

But Arian I thought 80% of players liked IT? Why satisfy a minority when in fact you can wow a majority?

Furthermore your comments imply that any "literalists" are not proper fans which is simply not true

Unfortunatly literalists are not real fans, not truly. if they were they would realize why the indoctrination theory makes sense out of nonsense using the pre-exsisting lore and content. something that actually makes sense

You cannot comprehend how wrong you are on that particular issue. IT aside, that is just foolish to say.

Perhaps i should be more clear. They are fans but not in the sense that they absorb all the information possible from each game, book, comic etc. What i mean is that they arnt hardcore fans. they still like the series but not in the same ways or for the same reasons.

Edit: and if i seemed to be rude or insulting it was not the intention, nor was it to undervalue fans who dont believe in the indoctrination theory ( however many of them do seem to think IT fans are crazy and can at times be insulting.) but in all fairness i do not mean to insult anyone with what i said.

Modifié par zigamortis, 03 juillet 2012 - 10:10 .

[MegumiAzusa]

something is not right in red either:
before:

after:

As you can see they spontaneously teleport to the front (they were backing up)
there is lots of stuff missing, like the Mako that should be right behind them

[zigamortis]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

something is not right in red either:
before:

after:

As you can see they spontaneously teleport to the front (they were backing up)
there is lots of stuff missing, like the Mako that should be right behind them

Looks to me that the mako is still there. but highly damaged. if you look by the rock you can see the weels. perhaps it was fliped?

[MegumiAzusa]

zigamortis wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

something is not right in red either:
before:

after:

As you can see they spontaneously teleport to the front (they were backing up)
there is lots of stuff missing, like the Mako that should be right behind them

Looks to me that the mako is still there. but highly damaged. if you look by the rock you can see the weels. perhaps it was fliped?

Yeah there is something through the smoke but it doesn't really fit the other image, the shape does, but it looks way further back. Either they seriously messed with the camera setting or something is very strange here, the fires and the rock where they stood look the same, so I don't know what's going on there.

[zigamortis]

Ohh i think i know why it looks like when the colored boom boom goes by they turn to look.

[MaximizedAction]

zigamortis wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

something is not right in red either:
before:

after:

As you can see they spontaneously teleport to the front (they were backing up)
there is lots of stuff missing, like the Mako that should be right behind them

Looks to me that the mako is still there. but highly damaged. if you look by the rock you can see the weels. perhaps it was fliped?

Spontanios flipping? Happens all the time in reality www.youtube.com/watch


But great find with the differences in the resolve of the soldiers in Destroy and Control/Synth. Can't be explained with galactic motivation, as in EMS.
It's all in Shepard's head and they represent his willpower. Otherwise, what else could it be? Is the players likelyhood of choosing Control/Synth somehow connected to the galaxy's willpower? I thought, the EMS was introduced a unit of measurement for exactly that!

[MegumiAzusa]

Also where does this wheel go?

[Leonia]

I really like those scenes with the random soldiers, it reminded us that this is more than just Shepard's fight. Nice catch on the differences between choices!

[Aanlen]

Has it been brought up that right after Shepard gets to the Citadel, the
beam from London to the Citadel just disappears, without anyone taking
any notice of it? And then the crucible docks at the exact same place
the beam used to be. This means there's no way for shepard to get down
again to earth. At all. So the wake-up scene must either be at the
citadel, or the entire citadel part of the game didn't happen at all,
and Shepard wakes up in London rubble.


Also, when Shepard faints before the console, she is brought by the
magical elevator right upwards. Shepard must already be pretty high up
in the citadel, judging by the view of the arms. You cant see the base
of the arms at all, which means you cant be at the base of the citadel,
or anywhere near the base nor the crucible. So the elevator takes you 10
meters upwards, and then you suddenly appear at the very bottom of the
citadel, where the crucible is docked. Which also raises the question
about the orientation of shepard. If we assume we're at the top of the
citadel tower, "up" is the tip of the tower, "down" is the base. The
elevator should then be taking us down to the crucible and not up to the
tip. What it does is the exact opposite. Therefore, maybe the elevator
is a symbol of taking the indoctrination attempt up to another level.


It's also weird that there's so much traffic and activity in the citadel wards when you're talking to TIM and Anderson? Should't people be bunkered down in their homes, instead of orderly taking their cars for a spin?


Another interesting thing to notice, is that the place where we meet Anderson
and TIM, looks very similar to the place we found Saren when he was
using the console at the top of the citadel tower, to open the arms of
the citadel. Could it be that Shepard is actually walking up the same path we walked in ME1, when we went to meet the council? There were trees there too, similar to the reflections we saw on the crucible.

Did anyone notice if the tree-reflections are still there in the EC?

Modifié par Aanlen, 03 juillet 2012 - 10:48 .

[niravital]

 So I keep thinking about the logic of the decisions and how it goes along with the IT.And I was wondering a lot about refusal, because in my opinion this is the pure indoctrination rejection, though we see Shepard and everyone else dying and he never wakes up.
But, and maybe it's forcing IT too much - Refusal ending really tells us that the catalyst's goal is to convince Shepard himself - it is personal and aimed at Shepard alone.
Because - one moment the catalyst knows that his current solution is not valid anymore, but when Shepard refuses to act along he goes all personal and insulted and "so be it".
This is not AI consistant - he either knows it's solution can't work - therefore forced to change it - or there is something more here.

Well, If Shepard won't play along, can't you have another organic come up and make a desicion?
Of course there are more worthy organics in the entire galaxy. He never explains why it has to be Shepard and no one else (just because he got there? call off the attack and see how more arrive), except TIM.

[Rosewind]

Aanlen wrote...

Has it been brought up that right after Shepard gets to the Citadel, the
beam from London to the Citadel just disappears, without anyone taking
any notice of it? And then the crucible docks at the exact same place
the beam used to be. This means there's no way for shepard to get down
again to earth. At all. So the wake-up scene must either be at the
citadel, or the entire citadel part of the game didn't happen at all,
and Shepard wakes up in London rubble.


Also, when Shepard faints before the console, she is brought by the
magical elevator right upwards. Shepard must already be pretty high up
in the citadel, judging by the view of the arms. You cant see the base
of the arms at all, which means you cant be at the base of the citadel,
or anywhere near the base nor the crucible. So the elevator takes you 10
meters upwards, and then you suddenly appear at the very bottom of the
citadel, where the crucible is docked. Which also raises the question
about the orientation of shepard. If we assume we're at the top of the
citadel tower, "up" is the tip of the tower, "down" is the base. The
elevator should then be taking us down to the crucible and not up to the
tip. What it does is the exact opposite. Therefore, maybe the elevator
is a symbol of taking the indoctrination attempt up to another level.


It's also weird that there's so much traffic and activity in the citadel wards when you're talking to TIM and Anderson? Should't people be bunkered down in their homes, instead of orderly taking their cars for a spin?


Another interesting thing to notice, is that the place where we meet Anderson
and TIM, looks very similar to the place we found Saren when he was
using the console at the top of the citadel tower, to open the arms of
the citadel. Could it be that Shepard is actually walking up the same path we walked in ME1, when we went to meet the council? There were trees there too, similar to the reflections we saw on the crucible.

Did anyone notice if the tree-reflections are still there in the EC?

Some one said early I have not clue who don't even know if it is true but he said her read that Bioware has confirmed that the breathe scene is Shepard and it is on earth.

[Asharad Hett]

zigamortis wrote...

Perhaps i should be more clear. They are fans but not in the sense that they absorb all the information possible from each game, book, comic etc. What i mean is that they arnt hardcore fans. they still like the series but not in the same ways or for the same reasons.

You don't win an arguement by stating "I'm a bigger fan than you".

[MegumiAzusa]

Aanlen wrote...
Did anyone notice if the tree-reflections are still there in the EC?

They are.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Rosewind wrote...


Some one said early I have not clue who don't even know if it is true but he said her read that Bioware has confirmed that the breathe scene is Shepard and it is on earth.

Don't think it was confirmed that it was Earth by Bioware, but it's semi-confirmed by we, the fans, due to the rubble and the sound of wind present.

Did see something from Bioware confirming that it's in fact Shepard in the breath scene (which shouldn't NEED confirming, it's obviously Shepard for half a dozen reasons <_<)

[Schachmatt123]

Is it explained how the reaper moved the citadel to earth?

Something else I noticed, why does the catalyst greet Shepard with "wake up" and not "stand up"? (S)he clearly is not sleeping.

[AxStapleton]

zigamortis wrote...


Unfortunatly literalists are not real fans, not truly. if they were they would realize why the indoctrination theory makes sense out of nonsense using the pre-exsisting lore and content. something that actually makes sense

I really hate the term REAL fans. It is just so subjective. To assume real fans are people who all have the exact same opinion is just plain wrong. I'd love the IT to be true but I hate when people blindly throw around terms like that in such a self important manner.

[Rosewind]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Rosewind wrote...


Some one said early I have not clue who don't even know if it is true but he said her read that Bioware has confirmed that the breathe scene is Shepard and it is on earth.

Don't think it was confirmed that it was Earth by Bioware, but it's semi-confirmed by we, the fans, due to the rubble and the sound of wind present.

Did see something from Bioware confirming that it's in fact Shepard in the breath scene (which shouldn't NEED confirming, it's obviously Shepard for half a dozen reasons <_<)

lol true two different voicing for one thing.

[Rosewind]

Schachmatt wrote...

Is it explained how the reaper moved the citadel to earth?

Something else I noticed, why does the catalyst greet Shepard with "wake up" and not "stand up"? (S)he clearly is not sleeping.

Yeah always found that odd, and in low EMS Starbinger says "who are you" or was it "what are doing here" cant remember.

[Aj90lfc]

Schachmatt wrote...

Is it explained how the reaper moved the citadel to earth?

Something else I noticed, why does the catalyst greet Shepard with "wake up" and not "stand up"? (S)he clearly is not sleeping.

That's a good point, maybe is was to make you subconsciously aware that their was infact something around you rather than nodding off, gotta be fair to Shep (s)he would be exhausted!