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Rosewind wrote...
lex0r11 wrote...
Rosewind wrote...
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LEX0R!!!!! *pounce*
*pounces too, meeting Rose mid-air*
Ow my nose lol, I missed youI went dead when I plucked the guts up to see what the EC add, which was nothing but more confusion lol
lex0r11 wrote...
Rosewind wrote...
lex0r11 wrote...
Rosewind wrote...
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LEX0R!!!!! *pounce*
*pounces too, meeting Rose mid-air*
Ow my nose lol, I missed you
I totally understand.
Also to add:
Xavendithas wrote...
Anything fun being discussed today??
Xavendithas wrote...
Xavendithas wrote...
Anything fun being discussed today??
Nothing?? Oh well, bummer.
Modifié par paxxton, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:08 .
LOOK AT THE PYRAMID YOU MADEpaxxton wrote...
echopaxxton wrote...
echopaxxton wrote...
echopaxxton wrote...
echo
Modifié par ThisOneIsPunny, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:11 .
In a literal or mythological sense?Rosewind wrote...
I am the Queen of the Harpies HEAR ME SCREAM!!!
Modifié par paxxton, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:13 .
You ignoring the fact that it basically goes: "You can now destroy us, but choose synthesis, now we know it's possible it's inevitable."Simon_Says wrote...
The reapers thought a lot of things were inevitable, yet Harbinger kept questioning why we resisted. Sure they may think such and such is inevitable, even though they were proven wrong time and again. Doesn't mean they don't prefer the path of least resistance.MegumiAzusa wrote...
On another note:
When asking about Synthesis:
"It is the ideal solution. Now that we know it is possible, it is inevitable we will reach synthesis."
It seems it actually doesn't care what you choose, this statement completely contradicts the other choices.
Liara has that headache after mind-melding. Again...lex0r11 wrote...
Modifié par paxxton, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:16 .
Simon_Says wrote...
Actually, think about it. Indoctrination is about turning organic minds to align with those of the reapers, right? So basically, it causes the subjects to think like reapers. A reaper mind and a thoroughly indoctrinated one would be very, very similar, no?smokingotter1 wrote...
Reapers: "So how's the work going on indoctrinating Shepard?"
Harbinger: "Uh... I didn't get that done because I was indoctrinated..."
Reapers:
And if the reapers are made by converting several million minds, probably based on organisms who didn't wish to be converted, then they have to figure a way to force all those minds to work together under the reaper's banner. In short, they have to be indoctrinated.
Basically, the reapers are indoctrinated. And like a virus epidemic, they parasitically spread that indoctrination to reproduce. In a way, you could say then that the reapers are not the actual enemy. They're just another instrument of the real enemy. And that enemy is Indoctrination itself.
Can probably even link this idea with my Cosmic Imperative hypothesis. Indoctrination would be the galactic superorganism: the thinking system that sustains itself by harvesting lesser life.
Modifié par Simon_Says, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:20 .
The Borg Collective agrees somewhat with your assessment.Simon_Says wrote...
Simon_Says wrote...
Actually, think about it. Indoctrination is about turning organic minds to align with those of the reapers, right? So basically, it causes the subjects to think like reapers. A reaper mind and a thoroughly indoctrinated one would be very, very similar, no?smokingotter1 wrote...
Reapers: "So how's the work going on indoctrinating Shepard?"
Harbinger: "Uh... I didn't get that done because I was indoctrinated..."
Reapers:
And if the reapers are made by converting several million minds, probably based on organisms who didn't wish to be converted, then they have to figure a way to force all those minds to work together under the reaper's banner. In short, they have to be indoctrinated.
Basically, the reapers are indoctrinated. And like a virus epidemic, they parasitically spread that indoctrination to reproduce. In a way, you could say then that the reapers are not the actual enemy. They're just another instrument of the real enemy. And that enemy is Indoctrination itself.
Can probably even link this idea with my Cosmic Imperative hypothesis. Indoctrination would be the galactic superorganism: the thinking system that sustains itself by harvesting lesser life.
More thoughts. If this happens to be the case, then what the Catalyst said may have actually been true. It's not a reaper, or a reaper puppet. It is the genuine intelligence that creates and guides the reapers.
"The Citadel is my home." "The Citadel is part of me."
"(I am) A construct. An intelligence designed eons ago to solve a problem."
"I was created to bring balance, to be the catalyst for peace between organics and synthetics."
"(I am an AI) In as much as you are just an animal."
"I embody the collective intelligence of all reapers."
The term Catalyst itself could be indicative. It is supposed to catalyze connection between organic and synthetic thought. Yet in chemistry when a reaction occurs what is left is a combination of the reactants. You get somthing that is in a sense greater than the reactants, yet is not a sum of the reactant's properties but something else entirely. The reapers/Catalyst takes organic and synthetic thought, and uses them to create more reaper thought.
You thought it'd be epic if the climax of the ME series was the reapers trying to indoctrinate Shepard? Then how about this: The force of Indoctrination itself trying to worm its way into Shepards mind, change it, and then shatter it as its own thought is reproduced.
Now it's not about making your enemy your pawn or servant. It's about turning your enemy, into you.
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Hey Blur there's an ending slide with Rachni on Tuchanka only if you don't cure the genophage. Not sure what to make of that.BleedingUranium wrote...
Andromidius wrote...
RampantAndroid wrote...
We're talking about the team that based the ending of ME3 on a reaper off switch, and didn't allow the other writers to have input on the ending. To me, that's enough to tell me the reason behind the lack of an investigate -> "why are you that kid" is simply poor writing. It's certainly curious, but not really amiss, IMO.
Though it doesn't explain why they didn't add it in the EC, despite adding other investigate options.Thanks for agreeing with the point I made earlier. Benezia's commandos were indoc'ed because they travelled with Soverign. Shep is not in close proximity to any reapers in ME3, not during the game, or at the end.
Bar the Reaper on Tunchunka. And the Reaper on Rannoch. And the Reapers on Earth. And a large variety of Husky forces and Reaper artifacts recovered. And the dead Reaper on Cronos Station.
Plenty of Reaper contact, even just in ME3. Let's not even get into ME1 and ME2...
Shepard has definitely been around more Reapers and Reaper tech than any other (so far) non-indoctrinated living being in this cycle
MegumiAzusa wrote...
The Borg Collective agrees somewhat with your assessment.Simon_Says wrote...
Simon_Says wrote...
Actually, think about it. Indoctrination is about turning organic minds to align with those of the reapers, right? So basically, it causes the subjects to think like reapers. A reaper mind and a thoroughly indoctrinated one would be very, very similar, no?smokingotter1 wrote...
Reapers: "So how's the work going on indoctrinating Shepard?"
Harbinger: "Uh... I didn't get that done because I was indoctrinated..."
Reapers:
And if the reapers are made by converting several million minds, probably based on organisms who didn't wish to be converted, then they have to figure a way to force all those minds to work together under the reaper's banner. In short, they have to be indoctrinated.
Basically, the reapers are indoctrinated. And like a virus epidemic, they parasitically spread that indoctrination to reproduce. In a way, you could say then that the reapers are not the actual enemy. They're just another instrument of the real enemy. And that enemy is Indoctrination itself.
Can probably even link this idea with my Cosmic Imperative hypothesis. Indoctrination would be the galactic superorganism: the thinking system that sustains itself by harvesting lesser life.
More thoughts. If this happens to be the case, then what the Catalyst said may have actually been true. It's not a reaper, or a reaper puppet. It is the genuine intelligence that creates and guides the reapers.
"The Citadel is my home." "The Citadel is part of me."
"(I am) A construct. An intelligence designed eons ago to solve a problem."
"I was created to bring balance, to be the catalyst for peace between organics and synthetics."
"(I am an AI) In as much as you are just an animal."
"I embody the collective intelligence of all reapers."
The term Catalyst itself could be indicative. It is supposed to catalyze connection between organic and synthetic thought. Yet in chemistry when a reaction occurs what is left is a combination of the reactants. You get somthing that is in a sense greater than the reactants, yet is not a sum of the reactant's properties but something else entirely. The reapers/Catalyst takes organic and synthetic thought, and uses them to create more reaper thought.
You thought it'd be epic if the climax of the ME series was the reapers trying to indoctrinate Shepard? Then how about this: The force of Indoctrination itself trying to worm its way into Shepards mind, change it, and then shatter it as its own thought is reproduced.
Now it's not about making your enemy your pawn or servant. It's about turning your enemy, into you.
legaldinho wrote...
You knoe what I think? There's something on the normandy.
Look at SR1. The look and feel of it. Then SR2. A more red colour scheme, a few more of those cables that seem to straddle the ship. By ME3 the ship has a sinister tone. The cables are more pronounced. After the dreams, as you wake up, you see immediately above shep's bed the red tinges all around his room. A distinctly different design since even ME2.
None of this is fact. I can't prove it. But it feels like the Normandy is a more sinister place in ME3.
You
Rosewind wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
The Borg Collective agrees somewhat with your assessment.
Resistance is Futile.....
legaldinho wrote...
You know what I think? There's something on the normandy.
Look at SR1. The look and feel of it. Then SR2. A more red colour scheme, a few more of those cables that seem to straddle the ship. By ME3 the ship has a sinister tone. The cables are more pronounced. After the dreams, as you wake up, you see immediately above shep's bed the red tinges all around his room. A distinctly different design since even ME2.
None of this is fact. I can't prove it. But it feels like the Normandy is a more sinister place in ME3.
HellishFiend wrote...
legaldinho wrote...
You knoe what I think? There's something on the normandy.
Look at SR1. The look and feel of it. Then SR2. A more red colour scheme, a few more of those cables that seem to straddle the ship. By ME3 the ship has a sinister tone. The cables are more pronounced. After the dreams, as you wake up, you see immediately above shep's bed the red tinges all around his room. A distinctly different design since even ME2.
None of this is fact. I can't prove it. But it feels like the Normandy is a more sinister place in ME3.
You
Not to mention this.
Also, I'm convinced those door opening sounds in the corners of the cargo bay are intentional. I think it is Shep's mind remembering/confusing when there used to be doors there on the SR-1.
Modifié par MaximizedAction, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:33 .
Simon_Says wrote...
Actually, think about it. Indoctrination is about turning organic minds to align with those of the reapers, right? So basically, it causes the subjects to think like reapers. A reaper mind and a thoroughly indoctrinated one would be very, very similar, no?smokingotter1 wrote...
Reapers: "So how's the work going on indoctrinating Shepard?"
Harbinger: "Uh... I didn't get that done because I was indoctrinated..."
Reapers:
And if the reapers are made by converting several million minds, probably based on organisms who didn't wish to be converted, then they have to figure a way to force all those minds to work together under the reaper's banner. In short, they have to be indoctrinated.
Basically, the reapers are indoctrinated. And like a virus epidemic, they parastically spread that indoctrination to reproduce. In a way, you could say then that the reapers are not the actual enemy. They're just another instrument of the real enemy. And that enemy is Indoctrination itself.
Can probably even link this idea with my Cosmic Imperative hypothesis. Indoctrination would be the galactic superorganism: the thinking system that sustains itself by harvesting lesser life.
Oh well she can always meld with someone to get rid of the headache. Wait...paxxton wrote...
Liara has that headache after mind-melding. Again...lex0r11 wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
legaldinho wrote...
You knoe what I think? There's something on the normandy.
Look at SR1. The look and feel of it. Then SR2. A more red colour scheme, a few more of those cables that seem to straddle the ship. By ME3 the ship has a sinister tone. The cables are more pronounced. After the dreams, as you wake up, you see immediately above shep's bed the red tinges all around his room. A distinctly different design since even ME2.
None of this is fact. I can't prove it. But it feels like the Normandy is a more sinister place in ME3.
You
Not to mention this.
Also, I'm convinced those door opening sounds in the corners of the cargo bay are intentional. I think it is Shep's mind remembering/confusing when there used to be doors there on the SR-1.
Modifié par Turbo_J, 03 juillet 2012 - 08:39 .
legaldinho wrote...
You knoe what I think? There's something on the normandy.
Look at SR1. The look and feel of it. Then SR2. A more red colour scheme, a few more of those cables that seem to straddle the ship. By ME3 the ship has a sinister tone. The cables are more pronounced. After the dreams, as you wake up, you see immediately above shep's bed the red tinges all around his room. A distinctly different design since even ME2.
None of this is fact. I can't prove it. But it feels like the Normandy is a more sinister place in ME3.
You
Schachmatt wrote...
Ask Joker. Or AndersonEpyonX3 wrote...
Schachmatt wrote...
The argument wasn't about someone senses indoctrination on Shepard. It was about if someone senses if there is something different about Shepard. And there certainly is.
What's different about Shepard?
They are the ones noticing it - and this is what the whole argument is about. So we are talking about established lore in this case.
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