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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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BansheeOwnage

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

*snip*


Hey, off topic, but I'm downloading the EC tracks right now Posted Image

Where can you download those?

Well BleedingUranium and I just download the youtube videos and convert them to mp3 using Realplayer. Here's the playlist:


As for the Leviathan dlc, here's a link to its files:
http://pastebin.com/rHzNDedX
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This is completely off topic as well, but does anybody know where I can find the song that plays in the background at the London FOB whilst Shep is wandering around and saying his goodbyes?

I haven't actually checked, but I'll bet it's here. This guy has everything.
http://www.youtube.c...3&view=0&page=3

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paxxton wrote...

Still we haven't gotten any ending in which the Reapers win. In Rejection Shepard somewhat allows them to win by making a choice.


Wanna hear the lolocaust about that tidbit?  They later "clarified" that what they meant by having a "Reapers win" ending was the critical mission failure screen.


No, I'm not kidding.  I couldn't make up something that retarded.

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paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Still we haven't gotten any ending in which the Reapers win. In Rejection Shepard somewhat allows them to win by making a choice.

No the reapers don't win but they win the battle for Earth which is, unfortunately what was promised.Posted ImageThis strengthens my belief that EC was done (or almost) at launch. Refuse was always planned maybe?

I though when Casey Hudson said the Reapers could win it meant they win the war not a single battle. I repeat that it was in Shepard's power to grant them the victory, it wasn't that they earned it (it's only implied by Liara's VI, not shown). Anyway, in that case there should be cutscenes showing their victory.


There are. Control and Synthesis.:blink:

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Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Still we haven't gotten any ending in which the Reapers win. In Rejection Shepard somewhat allows them to win by making a choice.


Wanna hear the lolocaust about that tidbit?  They later "clarified" that what they meant by having a "Reapers win" ending was the critical mission failure screen.


No, I'm not kidding.  I couldn't make up something that retarded.


Win is clearly a subjective term.

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Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Still we haven't gotten any ending in which the Reapers win. In Rejection Shepard somewhat allows them to win by making a choice.


Wanna hear the lolocaust about that tidbit?  They later "clarified" that what they meant by having a "Reapers win" ending was the critical mission failure screen.


No, I'm not kidding.  I couldn't make up something that retarded.

You've got to be kidding me. (I know, I know). But seriously that's like saying your squad can die because they need medigel or you let Saren let the reapers through the relay if he kills you in combat... WTF???????????????

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@Big_Boss9 here you go:


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Auralius Carolus wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Still we haven't gotten any ending in which the Reapers win. In Rejection Shepard somewhat allows them to win by making a choice.


Wanna hear the lolocaust about that tidbit?  They later "clarified" that what they meant by having a "Reapers win" ending was the critical mission failure screen.


No, I'm not kidding.  I couldn't make up something that retarded.


Win is clearly a subjective term.

So are options "A, B, and C" and the term "reaper off-button".
Edit: Is it really slow enough in here that I'm basically filling up 1/2 the posts?Posted Image

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 04 juillet 2012 - 02:42 .


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Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Still we haven't gotten any ending in which the Reapers win. In Rejection Shepard somewhat allows them to win by making a choice.


Wanna hear the lolocaust about that tidbit?  They later "clarified" that what they meant by having a "Reapers win" ending was the critical mission failure screen.


No, I'm not kidding.  I couldn't make up something that retarded.

Hahaha, dear god.

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Big_Boss9 here you go:

Thanks!

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 04 juillet 2012 - 02:43 .


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Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Still we haven't gotten any ending in which the Reapers win. In Rejection Shepard somewhat allows them to win by making a choice.


Wanna hear the lolocaust about that tidbit?  They later "clarified" that what they meant by having a "Reapers win" ending was the critical mission failure screen.

No, I'm not kidding.  I couldn't make up something that retarded.

That's... retarded. And yes, cutscenes demonstrating the reaper's stomping over the Council Cycle Alliance would have been welcome. So would an epilogue narrated by Liara. Without those, refuse really does seem like just a non-standard game over.

Three months. That wasn't enough time?

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Simon_Says wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Still we haven't gotten any ending in which the Reapers win. In Rejection Shepard somewhat allows them to win by making a choice.


Wanna hear the lolocaust about that tidbit?  They later "clarified" that what they meant by having a "Reapers win" ending was the critical mission failure screen.

No, I'm not kidding.  I couldn't make up something that retarded.

That's... retarded. And yes, cutscenes demonstrating the reaper's stomping over the Council Cycle Alliance would have been welcome. So would an epilogue narrated by Liara. Without those, refuse really does seem like just a non-standard game over.

Three months. That wasn't enough time?


No, no it wasn't... Unless they had a greater plan all along.  *cough* Indoctrination *cough cough*

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Simon_Says wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Still we haven't gotten any ending in which the Reapers win. In Rejection Shepard somewhat allows them to win by making a choice.


Wanna hear the lolocaust about that tidbit?  They later "clarified" that what they meant by having a "Reapers win" ending was the critical mission failure screen.

No, I'm not kidding.  I couldn't make up something that retarded.

That's... retarded. And yes, cutscenes demonstrating the reaper's stomping over the Council Cycle Alliance would have been welcome. So would an epilogue narrated by Liara. Without those, refuse really does seem like just a non-standard game over.

Three months. That wasn't enough time?

I said before there is no way EC is the product of 3 months work from an entire dev team! Something that was (almost) done at launch? Sure.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

You mean reapercussions? I'm asari you don't geth it.

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Normandy I would, but I Kaidan do it. ;)

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Maybe, but the thing still doesn't appear friendly or trustworthy, from the dialogue.


Definitely not. I'm betting it'll use Shepard as much as Shepard uses it.

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invetro wrote...

Definitely not. I'm betting it'll use Shepard as much as Shepard uses it.


Shepard... you got a purdy mouth...

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Still we haven't gotten any ending in which the Reapers win. In Rejection Shepard somewhat allows them to win by making a choice.


Wanna hear the lolocaust about that tidbit?  They later "clarified" that what they meant by having a "Reapers win" ending was the critical mission failure screen.

No, I'm not kidding.  I couldn't make up something that retarded.

That's... retarded. And yes, cutscenes demonstrating the reaper's stomping over the Council Cycle Alliance would have been welcome. So would an epilogue narrated by Liara. Without those, refuse really does seem like just a non-standard game over.

Three months. That wasn't enough time?

I said before there is no way EC is the product of 3 months work from an entire dev team! Something that was (almost) done at launch? Sure.


Didn't one of the team tweet something about gameplay related to ME during the supposed making of EC? Since we don't actually have any new gameplay with EC, they've obviously been working on SP DLC as well, even though they said they were devoting all the team to clarifying the endings.

Not that they are going to tell us anything.

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invetro wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

You mean reapercussions? I'm asari you don't geth it.

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Normandy I would, but I Kaidan do it. ;)

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Maybe, but the thing still doesn't appear friendly or trustworthy, from the dialogue.


Definitely not. I'm betting it'll use Shepard as much as Shepard uses it.

Liara.Posted Image

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invetro wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Still we haven't gotten any ending in which the Reapers win. In Rejection Shepard somewhat allows them to win by making a choice.


Wanna hear the lolocaust about that tidbit?  They later "clarified" that what they meant by having a "Reapers win" ending was the critical mission failure screen.

No, I'm not kidding.  I couldn't make up something that retarded.

That's... retarded. And yes, cutscenes demonstrating the reaper's stomping over the Council Cycle Alliance would have been welcome. So would an epilogue narrated by Liara. Without those, refuse really does seem like just a non-standard game over.

Three months. That wasn't enough time?

I said before there is no way EC is the product of 3 months work from an entire dev team! Something that was (almost) done at launch? Sure.


Didn't one of the team tweet something about gameplay related to ME during the supposed making of EC? Since we don't actually have any new gameplay with EC, they've obviously been working on SP DLC as well, even though they said they were devoting all the team to clarifying the endings.

Not that they are going to tell us anything.

Unless the DLC their working on clarifies the endings. In which case they weren't actually lying Posted Image

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Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Still we haven't gotten any ending in which the Reapers win. In Rejection Shepard somewhat allows them to win by making a choice.


Wanna hear the lolocaust about that tidbit?  They later "clarified" that what they meant by having a "Reapers win" ending was the critical mission failure screen.


No, I'm not kidding.  I couldn't make up something that retarded.


Innovation!  Allowing players to not win a game if they screw up!

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Random interjection: I've always believed that ME had numerous callbacks to Babylon 5. I suppose the Reapers would be a mutated hybrid of the Vorlons and Shadows, enforcing what they believed to be order through perceived chaos. Now, please allow Shep to wake up and tell them to "Get the hell out of our galaxy!". At the very least, mine the asteroids in the Sol System with nukes, guys.

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So I Just replayed the ending.

Tree reflections are very clearly visible on Xbox 360. If you walk backwards up the ramp towards destroy, looking back in the direction of control, you can see several tree reflections on the ramp you walk on.

I also seemed to spot the reflection of some kind of device (a big tube of sorts) that I couldn't find the source of in the room itself. I didn't have a lot of time to check it out because Shep was already on auto-pilot towards destroy. In any case, it's a reflection on the ground right in front of the destroy tube, somewhat on the right side of the ramp.

If anyone wants to check it out... maybe this thing is what Shep is shooting at in 'the real world'. :bandit:

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 04 juillet 2012 - 03:18 .


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Many People wrote...

Stuff about the Reapers Win being critical mission failure being the most ridiculous thing not starring Chris Elliott


Found the link! https://twitter.com/...895746313363457

Out of context. Hilarious, truly. Here's the entire context.

In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was taking risks with Mass Effect 3's plot, including a negative ending in which the Reapers win.

Gamble simply said , "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes".


There's actually a video of the interview so we can see how "out of context" it is.

Now we know why FOX News was trolling the Mass Effect team back at ME1's release. FOX realized there's someone better at bull****ing their fans than they are!

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So what did I miss everyone and why did Banshee change change picture?

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I'm curious since I missed a lot of the early discussions, but did people just accept the fact that the Citadel was summarily "moved" to Earth so the final battle could conveniently take place there? Harbinger Towing™ was cool with everyone? When the Thessia VI shared that info at the end of Cronos, that was the first time I raised my eyebrows and thought, oh boy, this conclusion might not be looking good. Thoughts?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...





Unless the DLC their working on clarifies the endings. In which case they weren't actually lying Posted Image


You maybe be right.

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

invetro wrote...

Hopefully Leviathan will also shed light on the effects/repurcusions of synthesis, because if it is one of the first reapers, that's exactly what the catalyst did to whichever species Leviathan belonged to. I think that DLC will give us ITers answers one way or the other, and hopefully give us a canon ending that they can make sequels from, because the idea of prequels after ME3 fills me with unhappy feelings.


Maybe, but the thing still doesn't appear friendly or trustworthy, from the dialogue.


Here is my analysis of the DLC. I also agree it doesn't seem friendly thought having your whole race exterminated would do that...look at Javik.

-I believe the Leviathan will be an original creator or something along the lines. "So the Reapers did not fully exterminate their creators. That suggests they are fallible, even on large or long-term scales." ]I don't want any tentacled creature inside your mind... except me." I believe that is Liara talking to Shepard. 

-It will also be pretty big: "I can only imagine talking to something so huge, so... alien. I hope it helps against the Reapers."

-It is also clear that the Reapers are searching for him: "So it seems unlikely that he is helping the Reapers. This furthers that point: "Don't do that , not even to forge an alliance with a damned Reaper-killer."

-It seems to have the ability to indoctrinate, so this means that the race could possibly do this already before being ascended or he might be implanted with Reaper tech. "That mining facility... everyone there under Leviathan's control. It reminded me of Feros. That mining facility... all those people, indoctrinated, losingten years. I can't even imagine what that's like."Also this also means that the Leviathan has been in the galaxy for longer than the entire game series timeline, meaning it didn't come into the galaxy with the Reapers. Possibly meaning that it has been hiding and the people happened to come across the Leviathan. However Sovereign was also left behind too.

-I have no idea what this means to the story. Possibly that you can betray Liara like you could with Samara, or they planned this before LOTSB and meant it for ME2. "If you decide to help her take down the Shadow Broker, I'm going to be jealous. And somewhat concerned" 

-This could mean that the Leviathan semi-indoctrinates Shepard...:"This Leviathan thing can just kick you out of your own head?" Possible hint in DLC for IT??

-Is this also relevant towards the above??: "You've got to wonder how much longer that would have lasted if we hadn't come along."

-New enemies??: "I can handle the Reapers that run around, or the ones that crawl, or the ones that... shuffle menacingly toward you. But it's the flying ones that give me the creeps."

-Proof it could be a possible Reaper defector?? However this conflicts witht the possibility of being an original creator: "If Leviathan is a defector--a Reaper that broke away from the others--then it is also a traitor." ]"From Sovereign to Leviathan... they've been a pain in the ass the whole time. But at least we're starting to see the big picture." "So a Reaper goes rogue and kills one of its own. That's what we're looking at here, right?"

-Is this already a planet in the ME universe??: " An entire settlement of Densorin were once studying things far beyond their knowledge"

-New vehicle?? : " Can't say I was happy sending you down in that submersible by yourself"

Also if this is true, then BioWare is planning like I thought to put DLC that affects the ending in ways we have yet to see. Thus making all future dlc a must buy...is this good or bad?? (these lines are in the discussion with the Catalyst) : 

The Leviathan's created you, didn't they?
Tell me what you know about the Leviathans.
But you turned on the Leviathans. You harvested them.
Who is OLD TONGUE NAME OF HARBINGER?
The first Reaper. In this cycle, amongst your kind, it is known as Harbinger.


Sorry for the wall of text. Just thought the DLC needed an analysis so that we could discuss it in full. :happy::D

Edit: Also bolded all the Leviathan DLC quotes for your guys benefit...

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 04 juillet 2012 - 03:37 .


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Rifneno wrote...

Many People wrote...

Stuff about the Reapers Win being critical mission failure being the most ridiculous thing not starring Chris Elliott


Found the link! https://twitter.com/...895746313363457

Out of context. Hilarious, truly. Here's the entire context.

In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was taking risks with Mass Effect 3's plot, including a negative ending in which the Reapers win.

Gamble simply said , "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes".


There's actually a video of the interview so we can see how "out of context" it is.


I really feel Bioware needs to stop making promises they can't deliver on. Stuff like that may go unnoticed when public opinion is good, but when it turns sour such as with the vanilla endings it will just come and bite you in the butt. Hyping may seem beneficial in the short run, but I suspect it will just hurt your believablitity in long run.

In other words a little more underpromise, overdeliver wouldn't hurt.

Modifié par boeloe, 04 juillet 2012 - 03:30 .