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Priss Blackburne wrote...

according to lines pulled out the leviathans are the original creators of the catalyst. So could be the reaper in the DLC is the first reaper.


if you read the Codex Harbinger is considered the First Reaper and Oldest Reaper. Be great if this makes Harbinger return in the Levithian of DIS

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comrade gando wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

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from what I remember Harbinger didn't say anything before the EC DLC.... it's been so long, I can't remember. I don't play ME3 SP since it's a major disappointment from my expectations. Did Harbinger spoke in the orgiinal ending?

No, he didn't say anything before (or technically after) EC.
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well I'm guessing the vague groaning of "serve us" or something is what he normally sounds like, and the deep intimidating voice he had in ME2 is his actual voice that shepard hears in his mind (I guess since it comes out of all speakers all the time). It just doesn't make sense they HAD his voice actor IN STUDIO, and they made no dialogue for his character? just gave him 5 lines for a random batarian? wtf?? 


serious? he was the dying batarian you pulled the plug on in the refugee camp?

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Seifer006 wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

according to lines pulled out the leviathans are the original creators of the catalyst. So could be the reaper in the DLC is the first reaper.


if you read the Codex Harbinger is considered the First Reaper and Oldest Reaper. Be great if this makes Harbinger return in the Levithian of DIS

It would be great but if they were going to do that why wouldn't they have him in the original game first? Considering his VA did work.

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I just had a quick thought about Leviathan that I haven't seen yet, so here goes.

It could be both a renegade Reaper and a surviving creator mentioned in the data. The story could revolve around a "freed" Reaper that does the bidding of the surviving creator. Long shot, but it does cover for some of the organic/synthetic duality of some of the phrasing.

But honestly, I'm leaning towards renegade Reaper.

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Seifer006 wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

according to lines pulled out the leviathans are the original creators of the catalyst. So could be the reaper in the DLC is the first reaper.


if you read the Codex Harbinger is considered the First Reaper and Oldest Reaper. Be great if this makes Harbinger return in the Levithian of DIS

Give Harby more dialogue!

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Seifer006 wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

from what I remember Harbinger didn't say anything before the EC DLC.... it's been so long, I can't remember. I don't play ME3 SP since it's a major disappointment from my expectations. Did Harbinger spoke in the orgiinal ending?

No, he didn't say anything before (or technically after) EC.
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well I'm guessing the vague groaning of "serve us" or something is what he normally sounds like, and the deep intimidating voice he had in ME2 is his actual voice that shepard hears in his mind (I guess since it comes out of all speakers all the time). It just doesn't make sense they HAD his voice actor IN STUDIO, and they made no dialogue for his character? just gave him 5 lines for a random batarian? wtf?? 


serious? he was the dying batarian you pulled the plug on in the refugee camp?

Weird right? Have him as the batarian but not his main role? Harbinger? WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

according to lines pulled out the leviathans are the original creators of the catalyst. So could be the reaper in the DLC is the first reaper.


if you read the Codex Harbinger is considered the First Reaper and Oldest Reaper. Be great if this makes Harbinger return in the Levithian of DIS

It would be great but if they were going to do that why wouldn't they have him in the original game first? Considering his VA did work.


Yeah. Exaclty. The VA did like 5 different ME characters. His first role was in ME1 and then in ME2 did like 5 characters including Elias Kellham.

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estebanus wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

according to lines pulled out the leviathans are the original creators of the catalyst. So could be the reaper in the DLC is the first reaper.


if you read the Codex Harbinger is considered the First Reaper and Oldest Reaper. Be great if this makes Harbinger return in the Levithian of DIS

Give Harby more dialogue!

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Unfortunately I don't think I can use that meme too much. Not until one of my favourite characters (and you know a really important one) has some dialogue.

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Speaking about Harby, I had a really weird dream last night about going into a McDonalds and ordering a big mac from Harbinger...

It was kinda like this: HUMAN. MCCHICKEN IS THE FINAL GENETIC DESTINY OF YOUR PATHETIC TASTEBUDS. YOU WILL ACHIEVE PERFECT TASTE THROUGH CHICKEN ASSIMILATION.

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boeloe wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

boeloe wrote...

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I just had an idea... what if (this is insanely dumb I know) they announce at SDCC that there is hidden content in the EC and then tell everyone to go home and play it again, because they have now unlocked 'something'.

So everyone downloads an 'update' which unlocks the new content, and then we all play the EC again to find the true ending. Shepard gets up and the real ending carries forth.

Would explain why the EC is such a large file size.

And yes, I know I'm crazy. At this point though, I don't care.


Ah yes, we have dismissed that claim. Really there is nothing out of the ordinary in the EC files. The movies take up a lot space. And a lot of files have four versions of them for the localization purposes.


Yes, but have you analysed all those audio? New speech and lines in the end wouldn't be hard to lock and hide away because of the size is so small. Sure there is the content we see, but there are small details hidden away that BioWare purposely hid so we can't find it. Small stuff like the Mars mission fix. (Check out Hellish's video on YouTube. His youtube name is sentramaster. I believe.)


I really really doubt that, because that means you have to come up with a new packaging specification (and make the engine understand that new format) just so can trojan horse some new audio files in (what about the rest? meshes, textures, etc.)

If  *sorry* WHEN ( :Phold the line!) they come out with a IT DLC it would just be easier to release everything then.


Sorry to disappoint, and don't get your hopes up. They won't. Look at my previous posts. They will not reveal the true nature of the ending yet, and will not be doing a IT DLC. I fully believe in IT, but not in some ways that most do. BioWare cannot take the idea because there are so many types. Instead they implimented parts of it. Also to make money they will continue to release hints in DLC. Nothing else. Speculation=hype=money. They are controlled by a company. They are the same people who gave first day DLC. They love money.

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Seifer006 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

according to lines pulled out the leviathans are the original creators of the catalyst. So could be the reaper in the DLC is the first reaper.


if you read the Codex Harbinger is considered the First Reaper and Oldest Reaper. Be great if this makes Harbinger return in the Levithian of DIS

It would be great but if they were going to do that why wouldn't they have him in the original game first? Considering his VA did work.


Yeah. Exaclty. The VA did like 5 different ME characters. His first role was in ME1 and then in ME2 did like 5 characters including Elias Kellham.

Out of curiosity who did he voice in ME1? I'm pretty sure Lorik Quin (?) was Sovereign. I wonder who will voice Leviathan.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:53 .


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estebanus wrote...

Speaking about Harby, I had a really weird dream last night about going into a McDonalds and ordering a big mac from Harbinger...

It was kinda like this: HUMAN. MCCHICKEN IS THE FINAL GENETIC DESTINY OF YOUR PATHETIC TASTEBUDS. YOU WILL ACHIEVE PERFECT TASTE THROUGH CHICKEN ASSIMILATION.


omg LMAO :o I want him saying something like that as a ringtone for my phone

Modifié par Priss Blackburne, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:52 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

according to lines pulled out the leviathans are the original creators of the catalyst. So could be the reaper in the DLC is the first reaper.


if you read the Codex Harbinger is considered the First Reaper and Oldest Reaper. Be great if this makes Harbinger return in the Levithian of DIS

Give Harby more dialogue!

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Unfortunately I don't think I can use that meme too much. Not until one of my favourite characters (and you know a really important one) has some dialogue.

My may, who might that be? Balak? Refund guy? Or maybe "Yuo humans are all racist" turian? 

I mean, it couldn't be Harby, could it?

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estebanus wrote...

Speaking about Harby, I had a really weird dream last night about going into a McDonalds and ordering a big mac from Harbinger...

It was kinda like this: HUMAN. MCCHICKEN IS THE FINAL GENETIC DESTINY OF YOUR PATHETIC TASTEBUDS. YOU WILL ACHIEVE PERFECT TASTE THROUGH CHICKEN ASSIMILATION.


LOL. Proof of player indoctrination? Maybe. If anyone else has this dream report in.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

boeloe wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

boeloe wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I just had an idea... what if (this is insanely dumb I know) they announce at SDCC that there is hidden content in the EC and then tell everyone to go home and play it again, because they have now unlocked 'something'.

So everyone downloads an 'update' which unlocks the new content, and then we all play the EC again to find the true ending. Shepard gets up and the real ending carries forth.

Would explain why the EC is such a large file size.

And yes, I know I'm crazy. At this point though, I don't care.


Ah yes, we have dismissed that claim. Really there is nothing out of the ordinary in the EC files. The movies take up a lot space. And a lot of files have four versions of them for the localization purposes.


Yes, but have you analysed all those audio? New speech and lines in the end wouldn't be hard to lock and hide away because of the size is so small. Sure there is the content we see, but there are small details hidden away that BioWare purposely hid so we can't find it. Small stuff like the Mars mission fix. (Check out Hellish's video on YouTube. His youtube name is sentramaster. I believe.)


I really really doubt that, because that means you have to come up with a new packaging specification (and make the engine understand that new format) just so can trojan horse some new audio files in (what about the rest? meshes, textures, etc.)

If  *sorry* WHEN ( :Phold the line!) they come out with a IT DLC it would just be easier to release everything then.


Sorry to disappoint, and don't get your hopes up. They won't. Look at my previous posts. They will not reveal the true nature of the ending yet, and will not be doing a IT DLC. I fully believe in IT, but not in some ways that most do. BioWare cannot take the idea because there are so many types. Instead they implimented parts of it. Also to make money they will continue to release hints in DLC. Nothing else. Speculation=hype=money. They are controlled by a company. They are the same people who gave first day DLC. They love money.

I consider From Ashes to be a collector's edition bonus like the N7 hoodie or w/e. I'm lucky I can buy it without the CE. I wish they would release the hoodie though Posted Image

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:53 .


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Priss Blackburne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Speaking about Harby, I had a really weird dream last night about going into a McDonalds and ordering a big mac from Harbinger...

It was kinda like this: HUMAN. MCCHICKEN IS THE FINAL GENETIC DESTINY OF YOUR PATHETIC TASTEBUDS. YOU WILL ACHIEVE PERFECT TASTE THROUGH CHICKEN ASSIMILATION.


omg LMAO :o I want him saying something like that as a ringtone for my phone

I don't know about you, but it freaked me out to see Harbinger as the person I'd have to order my food from!

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

according to lines pulled out the leviathans are the original creators of the catalyst. So could be the reaper in the DLC is the first reaper.


if you read the Codex Harbinger is considered the First Reaper and Oldest Reaper. Be great if this makes Harbinger return in the Levithian of DIS

It would be great but if they were going to do that why wouldn't they have him in the original game first? Considering his VA did work.


Yeah. Exaclty. The VA did like 5 different ME characters. His first role was in ME1 and then in ME2 did like 5 characters including Elias Kellham.

Out of curiosity who did he voice in ME1? I'm pretty sure Lorik Quin (?) was Sovereing. I wonder who will voice Leviathan.


The VA is -Keith Szarabajka ( you may remember him from TDK  Interogration scene )

Keith Szarabajka, who voices Harbinger, Delan, Lilihierax, and Elias Kelham, also provided the voices for Nug Wrangler Boermor and Herbalist Widron in BioWare's Dragon Age: Origins and Bartrand Tethras in Dragon Age II.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Speaking about Harby, I had a really weird dream last night about going into a McDonalds and ordering a big mac from Harbinger...

It was kinda like this: HUMAN. MCCHICKEN IS THE FINAL GENETIC DESTINY OF YOUR PATHETIC TASTEBUDS. YOU WILL ACHIEVE PERFECT TASTE THROUGH CHICKEN ASSIMILATION.


LOL. Proof of player indoctrination? Maybe. If anyone else has this dream report in.

Stop invading my food dreams, Harby! You're driving me insane!

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Seifer006 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

according to lines pulled out the leviathans are the original creators of the catalyst. So could be the reaper in the DLC is the first reaper.


if you read the Codex Harbinger is considered the First Reaper and Oldest Reaper. Be great if this makes Harbinger return in the Levithian of DIS

It would be great but if they were going to do that why wouldn't they have him in the original game first? Considering his VA did work.


Yeah. Exaclty. The VA did like 5 different ME characters. His first role was in ME1 and then in ME2 did like 5 characters including Elias Kellham.

Out of curiosity who did he voice in ME1? I'm pretty sure Lorik Quin (?) was Sovereing. I wonder who will voice Leviathan.


The VA is -Keith Szarabajka ( you may remember him from TDK  Interogration scene )

Keith Szarabajka, who voices Harbinger, Delan, Lilihierax, and Elias Kelham, also provided the voices for Nug Wrangler Boermor and Herbalist Widron in BioWare's Dragon Age: Origins and Bartrand Tethras in Dragon Age II.


Lilihierax right! Also, what's with "Keiths" having awesome voices?

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estebanus wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Speaking about Harby, I had a really weird dream last night about going into a McDonalds and ordering a big mac from Harbinger...

It was kinda like this: HUMAN. MCCHICKEN IS THE FINAL GENETIC DESTINY OF YOUR PATHETIC TASTEBUDS. YOU WILL ACHIEVE PERFECT TASTE THROUGH CHICKEN ASSIMILATION.


LOL. Proof of player indoctrination? Maybe. If anyone else has this dream report in.

Stop invading my food dreams, Harby! You're driving me insane!

TASTE IS AN ILLUSION. THIS BODY'S TASTE IS IRRELEVANT.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Speaking about Harby, I had a really weird dream last night about going into a McDonalds and ordering a big mac from Harbinger...

It was kinda like this: HUMAN. MCCHICKEN IS THE FINAL GENETIC DESTINY OF YOUR PATHETIC TASTEBUDS. YOU WILL ACHIEVE PERFECT TASTE THROUGH CHICKEN ASSIMILATION.


LOL. Proof of player indoctrination? Maybe. If anyone else has this dream report in.

Stop invading my food dreams, Harby! You're driving me insane!

TASTE IS AN ILLUSION. THIS BODY'S TASTE IS IRRELEVANT.

EAT ONE AND ONE THOUSAND WILL REPLACE IT.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

according to lines pulled out the leviathans are the original creators of the catalyst. So could be the reaper in the DLC is the first reaper.


if you read the Codex Harbinger is considered the First Reaper and Oldest Reaper. Be great if this makes Harbinger return in the Levithian of DIS

It would be great but if they were going to do that why wouldn't they have him in the original game first? Considering his VA did work.


Yeah. Exaclty. The VA did like 5 different ME characters. His first role was in ME1 and then in ME2 did like 5 characters including Elias Kellham.

Out of curiosity who did he voice in ME1? I'm pretty sure Lorik Quin (?) was Sovereing. I wonder who will voice Leviathan.


The VA is -Keith Szarabajka ( you may remember him from TDK  Interogration scene )

Keith Szarabajka, who voices Harbinger, Delan, Lilihierax, and Elias Kelham, also provided the voices for Nug Wrangler Boermor and Herbalist Widron in BioWare's Dragon Age: Origins and Bartrand Tethras in Dragon Age II.


Lilihierax right! Also, what's with "Keiths" having awesome voices?


so here's the contrast

Harbinger ..............and Delan the Hanar???????

wow, that's serious talent

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TJBartlemus wrote...

boeloe wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

boeloe wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I just had an idea... what if (this is insanely dumb I know) they announce at SDCC that there is hidden content in the EC and then tell everyone to go home and play it again, because they have now unlocked 'something'.

So everyone downloads an 'update' which unlocks the new content, and then we all play the EC again to find the true ending. Shepard gets up and the real ending carries forth.

Would explain why the EC is such a large file size.

And yes, I know I'm crazy. At this point though, I don't care.


Ah yes, we have dismissed that claim. Really there is nothing out of the ordinary in the EC files. The movies take up a lot space. And a lot of files have four versions of them for the localization purposes.


Yes, but have you analysed all those audio? New speech and lines in the end wouldn't be hard to lock and hide away because of the size is so small. Sure there is the content we see, but there are small details hidden away that BioWare purposely hid so we can't find it. Small stuff like the Mars mission fix. (Check out Hellish's video on YouTube. His youtube name is sentramaster. I believe.)


I really really doubt that, because that means you have to come up with a new packaging specification (and make the engine understand that new format) just so can trojan horse some new audio files in (what about the rest? meshes, textures, etc.)

If  *sorry* WHEN ( :Phold the line!) they come out with a IT DLC it would just be easier to release everything then.


Sorry to disappoint, and don't get your hopes up. They won't. Look at my previous posts. They will not reveal the true nature of the ending yet, and will not be doing a IT DLC. I fully believe in IT, but not in some ways that most do. BioWare cannot take the idea because there are so many types. Instead they implimented parts of it. Also to make money they will continue to release hints in DLC. Nothing else. Speculation=hype=money. They are controlled by a company. They are the same people who gave first day DLC. They love money.


But they'll have to eventually, before they release ME4, especially if it occurs after ME3. I can't imagine any but the most hardcore fans would want to buy a game that is made by a game developer that makes an ending like ME3's (minus IT, of course) and declares it good, and that takes place in an almost unrecognizable galaxy, because while the story of ME was good, it was the characters and setting that made it great, and the ending throws both of those out the window airlock.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

boeloe wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

boeloe wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I just had an idea... what if (this is insanely dumb I know) they announce at SDCC that there is hidden content in the EC and then tell everyone to go home and play it again, because they have now unlocked 'something'.

So everyone downloads an 'update' which unlocks the new content, and then we all play the EC again to find the true ending. Shepard gets up and the real ending carries forth.

Would explain why the EC is such a large file size.

And yes, I know I'm crazy. At this point though, I don't care.


Ah yes, we have dismissed that claim. Really there is nothing out of the ordinary in the EC files. The movies take up a lot space. And a lot of files have four versions of them for the localization purposes.


Yes, but have you analysed all those audio? New speech and lines in the end wouldn't be hard to lock and hide away because of the size is so small. Sure there is the content we see, but there are small details hidden away that BioWare purposely hid so we can't find it. Small stuff like the Mars mission fix. (Check out Hellish's video on YouTube. His youtube name is sentramaster. I believe.)


I really really doubt that, because that means you have to come up with a new packaging specification (and make the engine understand that new format) just so can trojan horse some new audio files in (what about the rest? meshes, textures, etc.)

If  *sorry* WHEN ( :Phold the line!) they come out with a IT DLC it would just be easier to release everything then.


Sorry to disappoint, and don't get your hopes up. They won't. Look at my previous posts. They will not reveal the true nature of the ending yet, and will not be doing a IT DLC. I fully believe in IT, but not in some ways that most do. BioWare cannot take the idea because there are so many types. Instead they implimented parts of it. Also to make money they will continue to release hints in DLC. Nothing else. Speculation=hype=money. They are controlled by a company. They are the same people who gave first day DLC. They love money.


Oh I mostly agree with you on that part, was just making a little joke about a IT DLC. If I had to make a bet on "will BW make a IT DLC" I would propably bet against. You know maybe I should make a bet, than I will win no matter the outcome. :happy:

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estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Speaking about Harby, I had a really weird dream last night about going into a McDonalds and ordering a big mac from Harbinger...

It was kinda like this: HUMAN. MCCHICKEN IS THE FINAL GENETIC DESTINY OF YOUR PATHETIC TASTEBUDS. YOU WILL ACHIEVE PERFECT TASTE THROUGH CHICKEN ASSIMILATION.


LOL. Proof of player indoctrination? Maybe. If anyone else has this dream report in.

Stop invading my food dreams, Harby! You're driving me insane!

TASTE IS AN ILLUSION. THIS BODY'S TASTE IS IRRELEVANT.

EAT ONE AND ONE THOUSAND WILL REPLACE IT.

ASSUMING CONTROL OF THIS TONGUE. SENTIENT BEINGS NEED NEVER FEAR BAD TASTE. WE EAT AS ONE!