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[Eryri]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Can't blame the kid for high tailing it at the first sign of gunfire. Look what happened to Sovereign when Shepard did it to his avatar, Skeletor-Saren.

A bug which according to the Codex the Reapers have fixed by ME3.

I don't believe it has been.  I know the codex says it, but I very seriously doubt that in all the cycles the Reapers never realized that design flaw and never had one of them lose an avatar in combat to find out the hard way.  It's just that Sovereign was desperate and he couldn't simply release control of the situation he was in.  Note that right before the explosion takes out the collector general, Harbinger says "I am releasing control." and his hologram disappears.  I believe the writers even confirmed at one point that the reason Harbinger released control was that he'd get knocked offline like Sovereign when the collector general died if he didn't.  Don't have a link to it though, so all I can give is my word that I saw it.  Wouldn't be offended if that wasn't enough, definitely wouldn't be offended if the writer's word wasn't enough, because I still can't over "yeah, Reapers win is just the critical mission failure screen.  u mad?"

Wouldnt Harbinger then have been knocked offline every time we destroyed the Collector he was controlling?

I think someone way back suggested that the collector general may have acted as a buffer or firewall - absorbing the shock of a possessed collector being killed.

Plus the collectors were engineered to be useful to the Reapers, so they were possibly designed to be easily possessed  and then discarded.

Modifié par Eryri, 04 juillet 2012 - 12:56 .

[Jusseb]

I still wonder why Vigil in ME1 says that "Your survival depends on stopping them, not understanding them"

Which actually means that 'destroy' is the only option that links to his assumption.

[Rifneno]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Wouldnt Harbinger then have been knocked offline every time we destroyed the Collector he was controlling?

Technically Harby never possessed those collectors.  He was possing the collector general and the collector general possessed them.  Yes, I realize how stupid that sounds, but that was the lore. 

[Benjiprice]

Jusseb wrote...

I still wonder why Vigil in ME1 says that "Your survival depends on stopping them, not understanding them"

Which actually means that 'destroy' is the only option that links to his assumption.

Since Vigil is a VI it only has information that of the Protheans that created him, s oto the Protheans (as Javik says), you have to kill the reapers and not understand them.

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Wouldnt Harbinger then have been knocked offline every time we destroyed the Collector he was controlling?

Technically Harby never possessed those collectors.  He was possing the collector general and the collector general possessed them.  Yes, I realize how stupid that sounds, but that was the lore. 

No, it was very clever. Indirection protected Harbinger from being affected when Shepard killed a yellow-glowing Collector. Collector General acted as a kind of firewall (or a pointer). Before the General is obliterated Harby releases control of him and thus is not affected like Sovereign was in ME1 when Shepard killed "Saren".

Modifié par paxxton, 04 juillet 2012 - 01:27 .

[Salient Archer]

<<<Just testing out my new profile photo... "Mass Effect! -- TUNE UP!!!"

[paxxton]

Salient Archer wrote...

<<<Just testing out my new profile photo... "Mass Effect! -- TUNE UP!!!"

So Shepard was hired by Aria as a gitarist in Afterlife.

[paxxton]

Eryri wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Sort of off topic but space related did you all hear about the Hadron Collider proving that Higgs Boson exists.

Yea its proof of IT 

No it's proof that we can build FTL Drives

Mind explaining the significance of the Higgs Field for those of us not in the know?

From what I've gleaned from BBC science documentaries, the Higgs field is supposed to permeate all space and causes the phenomena we know as mass and inertia when it couples to matter particles, via the Higg's boson as an intermediary. The field acts as a kind of viscous fluid that drags on matter, producing inertia and preventing anything with mass from ever accelerating to the speed of light - the speed limit of the universe.

Massless particles such as photons are unable to couple to the Higg's field, and thus can travel at the speed of light.

Fascinating. I keep my fingers crossed for the scientists at CERN. But from what I've read they aren't sure yet whether it's the Higgs boson or another new particle. And after the confirmation comes how long will it take to actually utilize the new knowledge?

Modifié par paxxton, 04 juillet 2012 - 01:47 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Wouldnt Harbinger then have been knocked offline every time we destroyed the Collector he was controlling?

Technically Harby never possessed those collectors.  He was possing the collector general and the collector general possessed them.  Yes, I realize how stupid that sounds, but that was the lore. 

No, it was very clever. Indirection protected Harbinger from being affected when Shepard killed a yellow-glowing Collector. Collector General acted as a kind of firewall (or a pointer). Before the General is obliterated Harby releases control of him and thus is not affected like Sovereign was in ME1 when Shepard killed "Saren".

But it still dosent explain the Codex entry saying the bug seemingly has been fixed in ME3. I mean i know Codexes are not 100% accurate, but they wouldnt make a Codex like that unless there was a reasoning behind it, something that showed taht the bug was supposedly fixed.

[Salient Archer]

paxxton wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

<<<Just testing out my new profile photo... "Mass Effect! -- TUNE UP!!!"

So Shepard was hired by Aria as a guitarist in Afterlife.

Sounds about right. When he's not too busy space-crime fighting and saving the galaxy.

[paxxton]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Wouldnt Harbinger then have been knocked offline every time we destroyed the Collector he was controlling?

Technically Harby never possessed those collectors.  He was possing the collector general and the collector general possessed them.  Yes, I realize how stupid that sounds, but that was the lore. 

No, it was very clever. Indirection protected Harbinger from being affected when Shepard killed a yellow-glowing Collector. Collector General acted as a kind of firewall (or a pointer). Before the General is obliterated Harby releases control of him and thus is not affected like Sovereign was in ME1 when Shepard killed "Saren".

But it still dosent explain the Codex entry saying the bug seemingly has been fixed in ME3. I mean i know Codexes are not 100% accurate, but they wouldnt make a Codex like that unless there was a reasoning behind it, something that showed taht the bug was supposedly fixed.

The Codex is written from the perspective of ME Universe inhabitants so it doesn't present absolute truths. Also, Harbinger might have that vulnerability because he might have been created before the fix was introduced.

Modifié par paxxton, 04 juillet 2012 - 02:05 .

[Rifneno]

FFS, more of this "but the codex wouldn't lie" nonsense?

"Current Reapers do not seem to suffer from this design flaw."

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

FFS, more of this "but the codex wouldn't lie" nonsense?

"Current Reapers do not seem to suffer from this design flaw."

Its probably reflecting Shepard's experience fighting the Collectors.

And thus we know the likely source of their information, and why its incorrect,

Tada! 

[Salient Archer]

paxxton wrote...

The Codex is written from the perspective of ME Universe inhabitants so it doesn't present absolute truths. Also, Harbinger might have that vulnerability because he might have been created before the fix was introduced.

Considering what the codex states we know that Harbinger was made prior to the destruction of Sovereign and hence he definitely would have been created before the update.

Having said that; how does the codex know that Harbinger is the oldest? It says he is the biggest and might be the oldest Reaper, but how they came to this conclusion is anyone's guess. If it's just because of his size, than it's like saying I'm older than anyone under 6'3".

Anyway, as no new Reapers had been developed since the destruction of Sovereign (except for the failed human proto-reaper.) it's safe to assume that vunrability was addressed with some kind of firmware update or equivelant, if the issue has even been addressed at all... How would the Alliance truly know this information?. It could be that the Reaper's have just changed the method in which they take control.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 04 juillet 2012 - 02:30 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Rifneno wrote...

"Current Reapers do not seem to suffer from this design flaw."

I am quite aware of that, but in order to make a conclusion like "they dont seem to suffer from this design flaw" one has to have a basis of observation, else it is simply guessing and not "seem."

The fact taht it also says "Reapers" and not Harbinger specifically would indicate this is not based on Shepards experience with Harbinger since that would be jumping from a singular event to covering all Reapers, quite a leap.

I am simply pointing out that just because teh Codex is not 100% correct it dosent eman it is always flawed and there logically has to be a base for the conclusions drawn in it and not just guess work.

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

<<<Just testing out my new profile photo... "Mass Effect! -- TUNE UP!!!"

So Shepard was hired by Aria as a gitarist in Afterlife.

Well it was either that or hire him as a dancer. I'd pick musician over dancer any day.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 04 juillet 2012 - 02:28 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Salient Archer wrote...

Considering what the codex states we know that Harbinger was made prior to the destruction of Sovereign and hence he definitely would have been created before the update.

Under that logic every single Reaper should still have the flaw since no new Reaper has been constructed since the flaw was found in Sovereign.

And we dont even know the nature of the flaw, if it is software or hardware or what it is, for all we know the Reapers could easily have upgraded every single one of themselves to remove this flaw now that it is found. Kinda like the Reapers could uprgade the Geth to negate the Quarians weapon.

[Salient Archer]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Considering what the codex states we know that Harbinger was made prior to the destruction of Sovereign and hence he definitely would have been created before the update.

Under that logic every single Reaper should still have the flaw since no new Reaper has been constructed since the flaw was found in Sovereign.

And we dont even know the nature of the flaw, if it is software or hardware or what it is, for all we know the Reapers could easily have upgraded every single one of themselves to remove this flaw now that it is found. Kinda like the Reapers could uprgade the Geth to negate the Quarians weapon.

Did you not read my entire post?

Anyway, as no new Reapers had been developed since the destruction of Sovereign (except for the failed human proto-reaper.) it's safe to assume that vunrability was addressed with some kind of firmware update or equivelant, if the issue has even been addressed at all... How would the Alliance truly know this information?. It could be that the Reaper's have just changed the method in which they take control.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 04 juillet 2012 - 02:37 .

[EpyonX3]

Anybody think that Leviathan is the reaper we see outside while talking to the Catalyst? It would make sense that bioware put his model into the game and into player's minds so that they're not wondering how Leviathan somehow fits into the ending.

Also, the reaper who I suspect is Leviathan is just floating around until you pick refuse and it starts taking out ships. This is the significance behind showing us this in refusal but not in the other endings. It could be that Leviathan gets taken control of by the Catalyst when it's activated and the Crucible loses power. It explains Shepard's face, he not only lost his chance to end the war now, but he also lost an incredible ally.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Salient Archer wrote...

Anyway, as no new Reapers had been developed since the destruction of Sovereign (except for the failed human proto-reaper.) it's safe to assume that vunrability was addressed with some kind of firmware update or equivelant, if the issue has even been addressed at all... How would the Alliance truly know this information?. It could be that the Reaper's have just changed the method in which they take control.

No i did not see that, sry.

But a very logical conlusion as to how the Alliance knows the flaw has been corrected is that Reapers might have "assumed direct control" in some of the various battles around the gaalxy, but taking down these controlled creates led to no Reaper shutdowns or whatever one can call what happened to Sovereign. Based on that the logical conclusion would be that the flaw has been corrected.

[AnthonyDraft]

I don't know if this has been said before, but....

The Crucible enters the Sol system while Shepard and Co were driving a truck to the beam. Wouldn't have Coats tell Hackett to stop the Crucible as he (or his lieutenant) ordered their remaining men to regroup? Yet, as we know, the Crucible just keeps going.

[Fingertrip]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anybody think that Leviathan is the reaper we see outside while talking to the Catalyst? It would make sense that bioware put his model into the game and into player's minds so that they're not wondering how Leviathan somehow fits into the ending.

Also, the reaper who I suspect is Leviathan is just floating around until you pick refuse and it starts taking out ships. This is the significance behind showing us this in refusal but not in the other endings. It could be that Leviathan gets taken control of by the Catalyst when it's activated and the Crucible loses power. It explains Shepard's face, he not only lost his chance to end the war now, but he also lost an incredible ally.

Looks like your average Reaper to me, sorry.

[hoodaticus]

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Wouldnt Harbinger then have been knocked offline every time we destroyed the Collector he was controlling?

Technically Harby never possessed those collectors.  He was possing the collector general and the collector general possessed them.  Yes, I realize how stupid that sounds, but that was the lore. 

No, it was very clever. Indirection protected Harbinger from being affected when Shepard killed a yellow-glowing Collector. Collector General acted as a kind of firewall (or a pointer). Before the General is obliterated Harby releases control of him and thus is not affected like Sovereign was in ME1 when Shepard killed "Saren".

Yes, General was a pointer to a pointer designed to protect Harby from a telepathic NullReferenceException or Pure Virtual Function Call.  We all saw what unhandled exceptions did to Sovereign...

[Leonia]

Fingertrip wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anybody think that Leviathan is the reaper we see outside while talking to the Catalyst? It would make sense that bioware put his model into the game and into player's minds so that they're not wondering how Leviathan somehow fits into the ending.

Also, the reaper who I suspect is Leviathan is just floating around until you pick refuse and it starts taking out ships. This is the significance behind showing us this in refusal but not in the other endings. It could be that Leviathan gets taken control of by the Catalyst when it's activated and the Crucible loses power. It explains Shepard's face, he not only lost his chance to end the war now, but he also lost an incredible ally.

Looks like your average Reaper to me, sorry.

Sounds like a HUGE stretch. I assumed that particular reaper was Harbinger but we don't get a very good look at it.

[Fingertrip]

leonia42 wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anybody think that Leviathan is the reaper we see outside while talking to the Catalyst? It would make sense that bioware put his model into the game and into player's minds so that they're not wondering how Leviathan somehow fits into the ending.

Also, the reaper who I suspect is Leviathan is just floating around until you pick refuse and it starts taking out ships. This is the significance behind showing us this in refusal but not in the other endings. It could be that Leviathan gets taken control of by the Catalyst when it's activated and the Crucible loses power. It explains Shepard's face, he not only lost his chance to end the war now, but he also lost an incredible ally.

Looks like your average Reaper to me, sorry.

Sounds like a HUGE stretch. I assumed that particular reaper was Harbinger but we don't get a very good look at it.

The reaper that you see the behind off might be Harbinger, it seems to have a different color palette from your average Reaper, or it's just the lighting and you've never really seen the behind of a Reaper before quite that well. It seems more ... well, light-brownish(?) I'm not so sure tbh, but that one didn't seem like your average Reaper. 

Other reapers that are seen just looks normal.