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[Leonia]

Ah, apologies I mean EpyonX3's post felt like a huge stretch but not convinced it's an average Reaper either.

[Imakassafabrication]

I'm sorry I haven't got time to read over 1500 pages. I just want to hear opinions on why people don't subscribe to IT even with the new EC DLC?

It's the only plausible explanation for the endings in my opinion.

[paxxton]

hoodaticus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Wouldnt Harbinger then have been knocked offline every time we destroyed the Collector he was controlling?

Technically Harby never possessed those collectors.  He was possing the collector general and the collector general possessed them.  Yes, I realize how stupid that sounds, but that was the lore. 

No, it was very clever. Indirection protected Harbinger from being affected when Shepard killed a yellow-glowing Collector. Collector General acted as a kind of firewall (or a pointer). Before the General is obliterated Harby releases control of him and thus is not affected like Sovereign was in ME1 when Shepard killed "Saren".

Yes, General was a pointer to a pointer designed to protect Harby from a telepathic NullReferenceException or Pure Virtual Function Call.  We all saw what unhandled exceptions did to Sovereign...

LOL (the bolded part). Sovereign forgot to use try/catch blocks.
Actually the Collector General was a pointer to an instance of the class Collector. Single indirection.
Harbinger controls the Collector General directly. No indirection here.
Unless you consider Harby to be a pointer to a pointer to an object of the class Collector.  But in this case Harbinger becomes a simple variable, not a nation free of all weakness.

Modifié par paxxton, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:15 .

[Arashi08]

Greetings from the Keys everyone! Been away from the thread since I am on vacation. But I managed to find the thread using my iPod.

So, did I miss anything good? It looks like the trolls finally moved on for the most part.

[masster blaster]

Guys I heard you are talking about Harby releasing control over the Collector General, and I wanted to say that's what haapens in destroy the catalyst vanishes with out a traces. Think about it right when Shepard fires the first three shot's immidiatly the catalyst just leaves. And if this is a indoctrination attempt, then Harbinger disconnects itself for Shepard before it goes off line, however what we didn't know was that once this happens Shepard begins to wake up, but in the proses so is Harbinger. What I am trying to say is that omce this happens Harbinger goes off to kill Shepard before Shepard wakes up. Yet our war assets are fighting off harbinger so that shepard can wake up. Also bioware said that the normandy in destroy is going to find Shepard, in which case could mean they are going to go save Shepard before the Reapers kill Shepard before Shepard wakes up. Hence forth why we needed a lot of war assets to get the scene.

Modifié par masster blaster, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:22 .

[paxxton]

masster blaster wrote...

Guys I heard you are talking about Harby releasing control over the Collector General, and I wanted to say that's what haapens in destroy the catalyst vanishes with out a traces. Think about it right when Shepard fires the first three shot's immidiatly the catalyst just leaves. And if this is a indoctrination attempt, then Harbinger disconnects itself for Shepard before it goes off line, however what we didn't know was that once this happens Shepard begins to wake up, but in the proses so is Harbinger. What I am trying to say is that omce this happens Harbinger goes off to kill Shepard before Shepard wakes up. Yet our war assets are fighting off harbinger so that shepard can wake up. Also bioware said that the normandy in destroy is going to find Shepard, in which case could mean they are going to go save Shepard before the Reapers kill Shepard before Shepard wakes up. Hence forth why we needed a lot of war assets to get the scene.

Yes, the Starchild disappears immediately because the indoctrination atempt failed. But even if he didn't disconnect from Shepard's mind, it wouldn't harm him because Shepard isn't dead.

The War Asset influence on protecting Shepard from being killed before he wakes up is interesting. But still it's only a number cause the War Assets are mostly in space around Earth not by the Conduit.

Has anyone considered that Shepard might be in Harbinger's mind, not the other way around?

Modifié par paxxton, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:33 .

[tyrvas]

masster blaster wrote...

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 Hence forth why we needed a lot of war assets to get the scene.

High EMS is needed to defend the Crucible, if Crucible is damaged it wont work well, If destroyed it's game over.
Do you really think the Reapers would allow the Crucible to get through, without military support? I don't.


edit: In destroy Casper the AI's projected appearence disappears cause you just blew up it's motherf***ingboard.
And with it all the Reapers. Whooo!!!!!

Modifié par tyrvas, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:38 .

[masster blaster]

Paxxton it is possible that could happen but ya I think Shepard is being protected by his/her war assets because they are going back to go get Shepard including the Normandy crew. It's like Bioware said in Destroy Shepards squad is going to go save Shepard because they know Shepard is alive and are on their way to recover Shepard before it's to late, and the Reapers kill Shepard.

[zigamortis]

leonia42 wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anybody think that Leviathan is the reaper we see outside while talking to the Catalyst? It would make sense that bioware put his model into the game and into player's minds so that they're not wondering how Leviathan somehow fits into the ending.

Also, the reaper who I suspect is Leviathan is just floating around until you pick refuse and it starts taking out ships. This is the significance behind showing us this in refusal but not in the other endings. It could be that Leviathan gets taken control of by the Catalyst when it's activated and the Crucible loses power. It explains Shepard's face, he not only lost his chance to end the war now, but he also lost an incredible ally.

Looks like your average Reaper to me, sorry.

Sounds like a HUGE stretch. I assumed that particular reaper was Harbinger but we don't get a very good look at it.

If you look in the artbook that came with the colectors edition you can also see a unique reaper design in the picture with TIM's base. Cant seem to find it online though.

[masster blaster]

Oh and remember somebody the other day posted a picture of the Two soldiers that are in every destroy, control, and synthesis. Well I think the soldier that is a representation of Shepard, and Soldier that is fighting of husk is the help that is on the way to go get Shepard, hence forth why the breath scene looks familer to the place where the two Soldiers are at. Also indestroy the soldier with the gun is killing all of theses husk , while the soldier that is wondued is Shepard in a sense.

Also in Control and Synthesis both look the same with the soldier but Synthesis is diffrent because all become peaceful, but they are indoctrinated all of them and the Reapers are using the Crucibles energy , human Dna so that every thing can be harvisted to make new Reapers, and Reaper coding to make everyone their slaves.

[Simon_Says]

Hey guys. I'm back. Was collecting some notes so I can open a proper thread on my Indoctrination-as-controlling-intelligence theory and I noticed something odd in the Catalyst dialogue.

Always, the term "reapers" is capitalized, despite this being the incorrect form. The name of a species is a common noun, not a proper one. I think the rest of the series did this correctly when referencing turians, asari, krogan, etc but I'm may be wrong there. So either the writers borked, or we're supposed to read "Reapers" differently. As if the term should be spoken with reverence and superstitious awe.

Minor thing but interesting imo. Can someone confirm whether the subtitlers capitalized other species names or not?

[masster blaster]

Tryvas but if this is in Shepard's head or Harbingers head then it's possible that it Harbinger disconnected form Shepard's mind because it will leave Harbinger non moilble and will be easy do destory hence why it disappers because it does not want to become like a Sovigren.

[CoolioThane]

Finally back with everyone now! I'm here all day and all night as I really need to reset my sleeping pattern!

I personally think the IT will be confirmed at some point. That's just me, though.

[zigamortis]

Ohh the picture im looking for is on page 60 if anyone has the book and wants to look

[XanderLav]

CoolioThane wrote...

Finally back with everyone now! I'm here all day and all night as I really need to reset my sleeping pattern!

I personally think the IT will be confirmed at some point. That's just me, though.

I don't think BW will confirm IT in verbal manner though. They might hint at it, but not confirm it. The only legit way of conforming IT is releasing it in the DLC. Probably not the next one (Leviathan), but the one after. Because they know what we know and if they simply say "Yep, you guys were right all along", I will be dissapointed. I'm expecting something big, a WOW moment if you like. 

[MaximizedAction]

G'day fine people of the IT. Any world-shifting news?

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

G'day fine people of the IT. Any world-shifting news?

Did you know about the Starchild's vocal anomaly? I discovered that when he says that Shepard's belief is not required his voice doesn't have Shepard's in the background and its echo increases. Also, the Catalyst strangely twinkles just before saying that. It means that Shepard is slipping out of indoctrination.

Modifié par paxxton, 04 juillet 2012 - 05:35 .

[SubAstris]

Imakassafabrication wrote...

I'm sorry I haven't got time to read over 1500 pages. I just want to hear opinions on why people don't subscribe to IT even with the new EC DLC?

It's the only plausible explanation for the endings in my opinion.

IMO lack of evidence in-game (having played the game with IT in mind, I remain unconvinced, or rather if it was done, it was done very badly) and the fact that every evidence for IT can be explained away with relative ease. Plus the fact that if IT is true, then the EC is pointless dream sections that weren't worth BW's time. I highly doubt that a profit-making company would throw away money like that.

There are other reasons but those are the main ones

Why do you think the EC adds more to IT?

Modifié par SubAstris, 04 juillet 2012 - 05:44 .

[masster blaster]

Paxxton are you serious about what you said to Maxim.

[SubAstris]

CoolioThane wrote...

Finally back with everyone now! I'm here all day and all night as I really need to reset my sleeping pattern!

I personally think the IT will be confirmed at some point. That's just me, though.

The fact is they could have done an ending where Shepard wakes up and defeats Harbinger in the EC. They didn't

[paxxton]

masster blaster wrote...

Paxxton are you serious about what you said to Maxim.

Yes. Why?

Twinkling:
http://www.youtube.c...iK1D1tY#t=1582s

 

paxxton wrote...

I've noticed something fishy! When the Catalyst says that Shepard's belief is not required his voice no longer has Shepard's in the background.

http://www.youtube.c...iK1D1tY#t=1589s

Modifié par paxxton, 04 juillet 2012 - 05:50 .

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

G'day fine people of the IT. Any world-shifting news?

Did you know about the Starchild's vocal anomaly? I discovered that when he says that Shepard's belief is not required his voice doesn't have Shepard's in the background and its echo increases. Also, the Catalyst strangely twinkles just before saying that. It means that Shepard is slipping out of indoctrination.

Why, yes it does! I believe the cam is also zooming on his face...

To me that was a pretty obvious clue from Bioware. It felt a bit like "ok players, SEE? Something's not right here. Listen to his voice, he's pushing, but why-oh-why?"

[tyrvas]

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

G'day fine people of the IT. Any world-shifting news?

Did you know about the Starchild's vocal anomaly? I discovered that when he says that Shepard's belief is not required his voice doesn't have Shepard's in the background and its echo increases. Also, the Catalyst strangely twinkles just before saying that. It means that Shepard is slipping out of indoctrination.

Have you noticed Caspers 'voice anomaly' changes to Legions in synthesis ?

Have you noticed Shepards eyes go green when looking at the prothean images at Eden Prime in the From Ashes DLC?

Modifié par tyrvas, 04 juillet 2012 - 05:53 .

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

G'day fine people of the IT. Any world-shifting news?

Did you know about the Starchild's vocal anomaly? I discovered that when he says that Shepard's belief is not required his voice doesn't have Shepard's in the background and its echo increases. Also, the Catalyst strangely twinkles just before saying that. It means that Shepard is slipping out of indoctrination.

Why, yes it does! I believe the cam is also zooming on his face...

To me that was a pretty obvious clue from Bioware. It felt a bit like "ok players, SEE? Something's not right here. Listen to his voice, he's pushing, but why-oh-why?"

It's partly to show Shepard that the Catalyst doesn't have emotional attachment (if he doesn't care he doesn't have a hidden agenda) to the decision he makes, that the Starchild is pragmatic. That way Shepard starts to think he is stating facts and doesn't deceive.

Modifié par paxxton, 04 juillet 2012 - 06:06 .

[paxxton]

tyrvas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

G'day fine people of the IT. Any world-shifting news?

Did you know about the Starchild's vocal anomaly? I discovered that when he says that Shepard's belief is not required his voice doesn't have Shepard's in the background and its echo increases. Also, the Catalyst strangely twinkles just before saying that. It means that Shepard is slipping out of indoctrination.

Have you noticed Caspers 'voice anomaly' changes to Legions in synthesis ?

Have you noticed Shepards eyes go green when looking at the prothean images at Eden Prime in the From Ashes DLC?

1. No,
2. Yes.