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[CoolioThane]

Oh SubAstris, yet more negativity.

You say all IT can be dismissed easily, but I fail to believe that.

You can dismiss everything at face value...

[masster blaster]

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Paxxton are you serious about what you said to Maxim.

Yes. Why?

Twinkling:
http://www.youtube.c...iK1D1tY#t=1582s

 

paxxton wrote...

I've noticed something fishy! When the Catalyst says that Shepard's belief is not required his voice no longer has Shepard's in the background.

http://www.youtube.c...iK1D1tY#t=1589s

Okay so we have a no Shepard voice so is it just the childs voice right there our is there a nother just not the two Shepards.

[masster blaster]

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Guys I heard you are talking about Harby releasing control over the Collector General, and I wanted to say that's what haapens in destroy the catalyst vanishes with out a traces. Think about it right when Shepard fires the first three shot's immidiatly the catalyst just leaves. And if this is a indoctrination attempt, then Harbinger disconnects itself for Shepard before it goes off line, however what we didn't know was that once this happens Shepard begins to wake up, but in the proses so is Harbinger. What I am trying to say is that omce this happens Harbinger goes off to kill Shepard before Shepard wakes up. Yet our war assets are fighting off harbinger so that shepard can wake up. Also bioware said that the normandy in destroy is going to find Shepard, in which case could mean they are going to go save Shepard before the Reapers kill Shepard before Shepard wakes up. Hence forth why we needed a lot of war assets to get the scene.

Yes, the Starchild disappears immediately because the indoctrination atempt failed. But even if he didn't disconnect from Shepard's mind, it wouldn't harm him because Shepard isn't dead.

The War Asset influence on protecting Shepard from being killed before he wakes up is interesting. But still it's only a number cause the War Assets are mostly in space around Earth not by the Conduit.

Has anyone considered that Shepard might be in Harbinger's mind, not the other way around?

Sorry i  don"t want this to get lost just yet.

[SubAstris]

CoolioThane wrote...

Oh SubAstris, yet more negativity.

You say all IT can be dismissed easily, but I fail to believe that.

You can dismiss everything at face value...

Negative? Not in the slightest, realistic more like

Potentially it can be dismissed, however the burden of proof is firmly on those who say IT is real

[masster blaster]

MaximizedAction wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

something is not right in red either:
before:

after:

As you can see they spontaneously teleport to the front (they were backing up)
there is lots of stuff missing, like the Mako that should be right behind them

Looks to me that the mako is still there. but highly damaged. if you look by the rock you can see the weels. perhaps it was fliped?

Spontanios flipping? Happens all the time in reality www.youtube.com/watch


But great find with the differences in the resolve of the soldiers in Destroy and Control/Synth. Can't be explained with galactic motivation, as in EMS.
It's all in Shepard's head and they represent his willpower. Otherwise, what else could it be? Is the players likelyhood of choosing Control/Synth somehow connected to the galaxy's willpower? I thought, the EMS was introduced a unit of measurement for exactly that!

Does anyone have pics of this scene but in Control and Synthesis.

Also i think that"s were the breath scene is because the structure of the Concret and the Mako flliped over...it maybe were Shepard is at in the Breath scene.

Modifié par masster blaster, 04 juillet 2012 - 06:11 .

[masster blaster]

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Oh SubAstris, yet more negativity.

You say all IT can be dismissed easily, but I fail to believe that.

You can dismiss everything at face value...

Negative? Not in the slightest, realistic more like

Potentially it can be dismissed, however the burden of proof is firmly on those who say IT is real

Can the both of you stop.

All I want to do right now is to think about what evidence we have and what evidence we do not have.

[SubAstris]

masster blaster wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Oh SubAstris, yet more negativity.

You say all IT can be dismissed easily, but I fail to believe that.

You can dismiss everything at face value...

Negative? Not in the slightest, realistic more like

Potentially it can be dismissed, however the burden of proof is firmly on those who say IT is real

Can the both of you stop.

All I want to do right now is to think about what evidence we have and what evidence we do not have.

HE STARTED IT!!!!

[CoolioThane]

There's being realistic and then there's being "realistic" to the extent of seeming to dissuade us all from believing in the IT.

It strikes me as odd, and I've said this countless times, why people would come on the IT thread with the frame of mind to dismiss it and then try to convince us we're all wrong. Fine if you're going to discuss it, but your "discussion" seems to be:

'This point dismisses IT'
Someone argues points something out
'NO NO NO NO NO, etc.'
Someone disagrees
'Ignore and say, oooh look, this is obvious that IT is not real'

That was exaggerated obviously, but it's what it comes across as to me.

Also, if you don't believe in the IT, there's no point trying to dissuade us. You say you played through with 'IT' in mind, but you know you're anti-IT and so you would always be cynical.

Genuine question: Do you like the endings?

If not, why try your hardest to shoot down the theory which makes more sense than the current endings and stay unhappy?

You say "how does the EC help the IT?" - We've been discussing that for pages and pages, and you know that!

[masster blaster]

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Oh SubAstris, yet more negativity.

You say all IT can be dismissed easily, but I fail to believe that.

You can dismiss everything at face value...

Negative? Not in the slightest, realistic more like

Potentially it can be dismissed, however the burden of proof is firmly on those who say IT is real

Can the both of you stop.

All I want to do right now is to think about what evidence we have and what evidence we do not have.

HE STARTED IT!!!!

I know but come on guys. We all want to know hat the heck is happening but CoolioThane please stop and Subarts plesae just say that you are sorry so that we can speculate on this forum.

[CoolioThane]

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Oh SubAstris, yet more negativity.

You say all IT can be dismissed easily, but I fail to believe that.

You can dismiss everything at face value...

Negative? Not in the slightest, realistic more like

Potentially it can be dismissed, however the burden of proof is firmly on those who say IT is real

Can the both of you stop.

All I want to do right now is to think about what evidence we have and what evidence we do not have.

HE STARTED IT!!!!

"Started it" lol

I'm just sick of answering the same questions over and over to people who don't bloody listen, or just dismiss it off hat.

[masster blaster]

Simon_Says wrote...

Hey guys. I'm back. Was collecting some notes so I can open a proper thread on my Indoctrination-as-controlling-intelligence theory and I noticed something odd in the Catalyst dialogue.

Always, the term "reapers" is capitalized, despite this being the incorrect form. The name of a species is a common noun, not a proper one. I think the rest of the series did this correctly when referencing turians, asari, krogan, etc but I'm may be wrong there. So either the writers borked, or we're supposed to read "Reapers" differently. As if the term should be spoken with reverence and superstitious awe.

Minor thing but interesting imo. Can someone confirm whether the subtitlers capitalized other species names or not?

I don't know about that but they always have R in Reapers capilatized but I don't know.

[CoolioThane]

masster blaster wrote...


I know but come on guys. We all want to know hat the heck is happening but CoolioThane please stop and Subarts plesae just say that you are sorry so that we can speculate on this forum.

Stop what? I'm more than happy to just discuss the IT, I just don't understand people so adamantly against it! It beggars belief.

[Andromidius]

SubAstris wrote...

Imakassafabrication wrote...

I'm sorry I haven't got time to read over 1500 pages. I just want to hear opinions on why people don't subscribe to IT even with the new EC DLC?

It's the only plausible explanation for the endings in my opinion.

IMO lack of evidence in-game (having played the game with IT in mind, I remain unconvinced, or rather if it was done, it was done very badly) and the fact that every evidence for IT can be explained away with relative ease. Plus the fact that if IT is true, then the EC is pointless dream sections that weren't worth BW's time. I highly doubt that a profit-making company would throw away money like that.

There are other reasons but those are the main ones

Why do you think the EC adds more to IT?

I really don't get this whole 'lack of evidence' thing you've got going.  Must be some pretty damn heavy bias going on for you to think that.  The mountains of evidence are clear to everyone else.

Not to mention if the evidence could be explained away with ease, it would have been.  Fact is very few pieces of evidence have been explained away properly - mostly the best thing thrown against it is 'bad writing', and most of the rest is contrived and less plausible then hallucinations.

Honestly, you keep talking as if you've been destroying everyone with your arguments - but honestly half the time you've not even made any points and just stated opinion as if that's all that's required.

/sigh

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Oh SubAstris, yet more negativity.

You say all IT can be dismissed easily, but I fail to believe that.

You can dismiss everything at face value...

Negative? Not in the slightest, realistic more like

Potentially it can be dismissed, however the burden of proof is firmly on those who say IT is real

Wrong.  Burdon of proof is on anyone who's got an interpretation of the story they want to share.  Bioware have stated they wanted speculation - its not a case of one side is right and the other is wrong.

Modifié par Andromidius, 04 juillet 2012 - 06:25 .

[masster blaster]

CoolioThane wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


I know but come on guys. We all want to know hat the heck is happening but CoolioThane please stop and Subarts plesae just say that you are sorry so that we can speculate on this forum.

Stop what? I'm more than happy to just discuss the IT, I just don't understand people so adamantly against it! It beggars belief.

look I get it but in the end I think they want to believe in IT as much as they do, but they are afrid that if it"s not tru ( which I doubt it is) then they dount want to get all their hope crushed. Although there are some people that hate IT because they are plain out trolls, that does not mean everyone that says IT is wrong does not mean they believe in IT because now they think the EC has disproven it, which if fact has made IT stand out a little more. But try to get along with Subarts please.

[CoolioThane]

Andromidius wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Imakassafabrication wrote...

I'm sorry I haven't got time to read over 1500 pages. I just want to hear opinions on why people don't subscribe to IT even with the new EC DLC?

It's the only plausible explanation for the endings in my opinion.

IMO lack of evidence in-game (having played the game with IT in mind, I remain unconvinced, or rather if it was done, it was done very badly) and the fact that every evidence for IT can be explained away with relative ease. Plus the fact that if IT is true, then the EC is pointless dream sections that weren't worth BW's time. I highly doubt that a profit-making company would throw away money like that.

There are other reasons but those are the main ones

Why do you think the EC adds more to IT?

I really don't get this whole 'lack of evidence' thing you've got going.  Must be some pretty damn heavy bias going on for you to think that.  The mountains of evidence are clear to everyone else.

Not to mention if the evidence could be explained away with ease, it would have been.  Fact is very few pieces of evidence have been explained away properly - mostly the best thing thrown against it is 'bad writing', and most of the rest is contrived and less plausible then hallucinations.

Honestly, you keep talking as if you've been destroying everyone with your arguments - but honestly half the time you've not even made any points and just stated opinion as if that's all that's required.

/sigh

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Oh SubAstris, yet more negativity.

You say all IT can be dismissed easily, but I fail to believe that.

You can dismiss everything at face value...

Negative? Not in the slightest, realistic more like

Potentially it can be dismissed, however the burden of proof is firmly on those who say IT is real

Wrong.  Burdon of proof is on anyone who's got an interpretation of the story they want to share.  Bioware have stated they wanted speculation - its not a case of one side is right and the other is wrong.

This 

[CoolioThane]

masster blaster wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


I know but come on guys. We all want to know hat the heck is happening but CoolioThane please stop and Subarts plesae just say that you are sorry so that we can speculate on this forum.

Stop what? I'm more than happy to just discuss the IT, I just don't understand people so adamantly against it! It beggars belief.

look I get it but in the end I think they want to believe in IT as much as they do, but they are afrid that if it"s not tru ( which I doubt it is) then they dount want to get all their hope crushed. Although there are some people that hate IT because they are plain out trolls, that does not mean everyone that says IT is wrong does not mean they believe in IT because now they think the EC has disproven it, which if fact has made IT stand out a little more. But try to get along with Subarts please.

Self-preservation > hope in their eyes? 

God I would hate to be one of them

[masster blaster]

okay that"s enof guys. Instead of picking on trolls and trying to get though Subarts even though he already know about IT and is just trying to say he does not see how IT can be real anymore because of the EC. We should be trying to gather all the Old and new info and try to connect everything to gather prier to ME2 the Arrival and ME3.

Modifié par masster blaster, 04 juillet 2012 - 06:36 .

[masster blaster]

paxxton wrote...

tyrvas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

G'day fine people of the IT. Any world-shifting news?

Did you know about the Starchild's vocal anomaly? I discovered that when he says that Shepard's belief is not required his voice doesn't have Shepard's in the background and its echo increases. Also, the Catalyst strangely twinkles just before saying that. It means that Shepard is slipping out of indoctrination.

Have you noticed Caspers 'voice anomaly' changes to Legions in synthesis ?

Have you noticed Shepards eyes go green when looking at the prothean images at Eden Prime in the From Ashes DLC?

1. No,
2. Yes.

Which is weird because even if you have Liara around or anybody else they can"t see what shepard sees and thr weird part of it was that Shepard knew every little piece of coding and even understands the Prothean language so ya.

And in Synthesis why does Weaver not try to do the whole Krogan Rebelion thing again if that"s what he was going to do ( and that's if you cure the Genoghage) so?

[CoolioThane]

masster blaster wrote...

okay that"s enof guys. Instead of picking on trolls and trying to get though Subarts even though he already know about IT and is just trying to say he does not see how IT can be real anymore because of the EC. We should betraying to gather all the Old and new info and try to connect everything to gather prier to ME2 the Arrival and ME3.

I don't even know what you're trying to say

[XanderLav]

masster blaster wrote...

okay that"s enof guys. Instead of picking on trolls and trying to get though Subarts even though he already know about IT and is just trying to say he does not see how IT can be real anymore because of the EC. We should betraying to gather all the Old and new info and try to connect everything to gather prier to ME2 the Arrival and ME3.

Lol, dude. Sometimes it takes me a lot of time to process and understand your posts.
 

[masster blaster]

XanderLav wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

okay that"s enof guys. Instead of picking on trolls and trying to get though Subarts even though he already know about IT and is just trying to say he does not see how IT can be real anymore because of the EC. We should betraying to gather all the Old and new info and try to connect everything to gather prier to ME2 the Arrival and ME3.

Lol, dude. Sometimes it takes me a lot of time to process and understand your posts.
 

Sorry I meant to be trying.

[XanderLav]

masster blaster wrote...

XanderLav wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

okay that"s enof guys. Instead of picking on trolls and trying to get though Subarts even though he already know about IT and is just trying to say he does not see how IT can be real anymore because of the EC. We should betraying to gather all the Old and new info and try to connect everything to gather prier to ME2 the Arrival and ME3.

Lol, dude. Sometimes it takes me a lot of time to process and understand your posts.
 

Sorry I meant to be trying.

Just a friendly advice. Read your posts after you're done typing it.

[paxxton]

XanderLav wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

XanderLav wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

okay that"s enof guys. Instead of picking on trolls and trying to get though Subarts even though he already know about IT and is just trying to say he does not see how IT can be real anymore because of the EC. We should betraying to gather all the Old and new info and try to connect everything to gather prier to ME2 the Arrival and ME3.

Lol, dude. Sometimes it takes me a lot of time to process and understand your posts.
 

Sorry I meant to be trying.

Just a friendly advice. Read your posts after you're done typing it.

Alternatively, you can try using speech recognition software to dictate what you want to post.

Modifié par paxxton, 04 juillet 2012 - 07:02 .

[byne]

XanderLav wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

XanderLav wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

okay that"s enof guys. Instead of picking on trolls and trying to get though Subarts even though he already know about IT and is just trying to say he does not see how IT can be real anymore because of the EC. We should betraying to gather all the Old and new info and try to connect everything to gather prier to ME2 the Arrival and ME3.

Lol, dude. Sometimes it takes me a lot of time to process and understand your posts.
 

Sorry I meant to be trying.

Just a friendly advice. Read your posts after you're done typing it.

I told masster blaster this a long time ago. Some other people told him a few days ago. I dont think it will help.

[MaximizedAction]

Okay folks, stop picking on him.
From the context it is often clear what he means.

So let's move on to more important things, like...