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Here's some food for thought:

Earlier, y'all were discussing the Starbaby's voice inflections with respect to Shepard's responses. But has anyone noticed how eerily similar the young boy portion to the voice is eerily similar to that of the child in the moon epilogue?

Starbaby

Moon child

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Anthropophobic wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

<<<Just testing out my new profile photo... "Mass Effect! -- TUNE UP!!!"

Seems like everyone is getting a new avatar.


how i do dat

I used the link HellishFiend gave me (Thanks HellishPosted Image):
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It is actually pretty easy. Ask me or someone else with a custom avatar if you have a problem.

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agmrpink wrote...

Here's some food for thought:

Earlier, y'all were discussing the Starbaby's voice inflections with respect to Shepard's responses. But has anyone noticed how eerily similar the young boy portion to the voice is eerily similar to that of the child in the moon epilogue?

Starbaby:
http://www.youtube.c...kZuSHpWwo#t=29s

Moon child:
http://www.youtube.c...LloABVkwc#t=18s


I never thought of that, but you're right. Assuming they weren't just using the same voice actor for the sake of convenience, it could be a sign that maybe the epilogue is intended to be a hallucination for the players to experience.

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Hey guys, about this "serve us" thing. Was there another time in ME where a Reaper made a similar noise? If so, can you please give me a link.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

The EC being the reveal for IT was never BWs intention. You should have known this just by listening to what the Devs said. However, leaked info on Leviathan lends to the possibility that more clues are inbound. Just have a little patience and some faith. Life is too short to be bitter all the time.


I hope it's not too short to whitness Bioware...taking a stand at some point in the future.

We already (probably) found the Higgs particle and they still haven't commented on IT. What's next, Mass Relays? :P

I could never emphasize how much I would want that.Posted Image

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FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, about this "serve us" thing. Was there another time in ME where a Reaper made a similar noise? If so, can you please give me a link.

Sorry don't have a link but you can hear it as ambient sound in Vancouver and in the reaper vs thresher maw fight.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, about this "serve us" thing. Was there another time in ME where a Reaper made a similar noise? If so, can you please give me a link.

Sorry don't have a link but you can hear it as ambient sound in Vancouver and in the reaper vs thresher maw fight.

Thanks I'll go check it out.

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Space :wizard: has been DISCOVERED :whistle:

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

The EC being the reveal for IT was never BWs intention. You should have known this just by listening to what the Devs said. However, leaked info on Leviathan lends to the possibility that more clues are inbound. Just have a little patience and some faith. Life is too short to be bitter all the time.


I hope it's not too short to whitness Bioware...taking a stand at some point in the future.

We already (probably) found the Higgs particle and they still haven't commented on IT. What's next, Mass Relays? :P

I could never emphasize how much I would want that.Posted Image


And BTW Higgs, I hadn't had enough lectures on quantum field theory yet, but since the Higgs field is responsible for the mass of all particles (that have mass), if there's even the slightest possibility for something like the mass effect, then getting to know the Higgs boson better seems to me like the right step in the right direction. ;)

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MaximizedAction wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

The EC being the reveal for IT was never BWs intention. You should have known this just by listening to what the Devs said. However, leaked info on Leviathan lends to the possibility that more clues are inbound. Just have a little patience and some faith. Life is too short to be bitter all the time.


I hope it's not too short to whitness Bioware...taking a stand at some point in the future.

We already (probably) found the Higgs particle and they still haven't commented on IT. What's next, Mass Relays? :P

I could never emphasize how much I would want that.Posted Image


And BTW Higgs, I hadn't had enough lectures on quantum field theory yet, but since the Higgs field is responsible for the mass of all particles (that have mass), if there's even the slightest possibility for something like the mass effect, then getting to know the Higgs boson better seems to me like the right step in the right direction. ;)

I don't actually remember a time I was more excited after hearing something on the news lol. So much bad news.
Edit: "Since the discovery of the higgs-boson, you-manatee has advanced for than the past 10000 years combined!"

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That's true, although it begs the question why. Why not if IT is true?

I'm not being bitter, I'm just saying



Why not confirm the IT in the EC?
I'll tell you why. 
The press release announcing the EC clearly states one thing - it was not planned. The EC was not in the plan for MASS EFFECT 3 post launch support.
And the IT reaveal was the plan from the get go, which they would really save for the very end.
There you go.
Why spoil the planned grand reaveal in an unplanned DLC aimed at deviating PR damage? 

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FreddyCast wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, about this "serve us" thing. Was there another time in ME where a Reaper made a similar noise? If so, can you please give me a link.

Sorry don't have a link but you can hear it as ambient sound in Vancouver and in the reaper vs thresher maw fight.

Thanks I'll go check it out.

I found it.

check around 0:47

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

The EC being the reveal for IT was never BWs intention. You should have known this just by listening to what the Devs said. However, leaked info on Leviathan lends to the possibility that more clues are inbound. Just have a little patience and some faith. Life is too short to be bitter all the time.


I hope it's not too short to whitness Bioware...taking a stand at some point in the future.

We already (probably) found the Higgs particle and they still haven't commented on IT. What's next, Mass Relays? :P

Okay im not too up to date with scientific fact or possible uses for certain elements but correct me if im wrong, the higgs particle is supposed to be able to change the mass of objects or something along those lines right?

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tyrvas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

tyrvas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

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G'day fine people of the IT. Any world-shifting news?

Did you know about the Starchild's vocal anomaly? I discovered that when he says that Shepard's belief is not required his voice doesn't have Shepard's in the background and its echo increases. Also, the Catalyst strangely twinkles just before saying that. It means that Shepard is slipping out of indoctrination.


Have you noticed Caspers 'voice anomaly' changes to Legions in synthesis ?

Have you noticed Shepards eyes go green when looking at the prothean images at Eden Prime in the From Ashes DLC?

1. No,
2. Yes.


OK...

1. Listen carefully 05:14
2. What did you make of it?

1. It's really hard to tell.
2. Nothing?

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paxxton wrote...

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So Shepard was hired by Aria as a gitarist in Afterlife.



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SubAstris wrote...

Anthropophobic wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

You know, Garrus missing at the Memorial Wall in destroy is curious. Is he always missing?

This is something I can see Shepard interpreting given her conversation with him at the London FOB. Maybe I'll run through it again and avoid chatting with him to see if that changes.

SubAstris: I have on question for you. Try not to go outside of game lore to answer it. Crappy writing/oversight won't cut it here.

Why does the relay explosion on the galaxy map originate in the Bahak system? Sol does not get the BGR nova until the 7th detonation. This was brought to BWs attention but remains true for both the original and EC.

The Bahak system is home to the long destroyed Alpha relay. So how could this happen unless it was something imagined by Shepard?


First how do you know it was brought to their attention.


5 or so threads dating back more than 4 months and Twitter. I looked for the twitter question but I can't find it. I'll keep looking. The point is BW reviewed the endings, modified them; in some cases changing or adding to them, but left the source of the Relay explosion alone.

The EC being the reveal for IT was never BWs intention. You should have known this just by listening to what the Devs said. However, leaked info on Leviathan lends to the possibility that more clues are inbound. Just have a little patience and some faith. Life is too short to be bitter all the time.



And do you think that BW realistically took into consideration every single complaint or even read them all? Unlikely, they probably went for the most common ones, and that's what happened in the EC e.g. "Why can't I tell the Catalyst to f*** off?, what happened to my squadmates in the end?

I'm going to have a wild stab in the dark and say it wasn't on the list of their priorities on the EC to-do list.

That's true, although it begs the question why. Why not if IT is true?

I'm not being bitter, I'm just saying


Because confirming it gains them nothing, and leaving it alone allows them to come back to it for the inevitable release of ME4.


...which you assume will involve Shepard, despite BW's statements to the contrary.

But anyway, not having an EC that shows IT if that was their intention is just unprincipled and very bad

Actually there are ways for them to use shepard without him being the protagonist.

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zigamortis wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

The EC being the reveal for IT was never BWs intention. You should have known this just by listening to what the Devs said. However, leaked info on Leviathan lends to the possibility that more clues are inbound. Just have a little patience and some faith. Life is too short to be bitter all the time.


I hope it's not too short to whitness Bioware...taking a stand at some point in the future.

We already (probably) found the Higgs particle and they still haven't commented on IT. What's next, Mass Relays? :P

Okay im not too up to date with scientific fact or possible uses for certain elements but correct me if im wrong, the higgs particle is supposed to be able to change the mass of objects or something along those lines right?


I haven't heard that it changes the mass dynamically. Other particles just interact with the field and by that get a certain mass, depending on their properties.

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Does the Starchild say "Synthetics are already part of me" even though the subtitles state "you"?
http://www.youtube.c...rRz6Dc0Y#t=306s

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Anthropophobic wrote...

agmrpink wrote...

Here's some food for thought:

Earlier, y'all were discussing the Starbaby's voice inflections with respect to Shepard's responses. But has anyone noticed how eerily similar the young boy portion to the voice is eerily similar to that of the child in the moon epilogue?

Starbaby:
http://www.youtube.c...kZuSHpWwo#t=29s

Moon child:
http://www.youtube.c...LloABVkwc#t=18s


I never thought of that, but you're right. Assuming they weren't just using the same voice actor for the sake of convenience, it could be a sign that maybe the epilogue is intended to be a hallucination for the players to experience.


I'd hope it's not recycled simply for production's sake. I could see that for the case of background extras, but it must surely mean something when it's two scenes' prominent characters. If anything, I'll just use it to further convince myself that BioWare still has some tricks up their sleeves.

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*oops, double post*

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paxxton wrote...

Does the Starchild say "Synthetics are already part of me" even though the subtitles state "you"?
http://www.youtube.c...rRz6Dc0Y#t=306s

No.

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agmrpink wrote...

Anthropophobic wrote...

agmrpink wrote...

Here's some food for thought:

Earlier, y'all were discussing the Starbaby's voice inflections with respect to Shepard's responses. But has anyone noticed how eerily similar the young boy portion to the voice is eerily similar to that of the child in the moon epilogue?

Starbaby:
http://www.youtube.c...kZuSHpWwo#t=29s

Moon child:
http://www.youtube.c...LloABVkwc#t=18s


I never thought of that, but you're right. Assuming they weren't just using the same voice actor for the sake of convenience, it could be a sign that maybe the epilogue is intended to be a hallucination for the players to experience.


I'd hope it's not recycled simply for production's sake. I could see that for the case of background extras, but it must surely mean something when it's two scenes' prominent characters. If anything, I'll just use it to further convince myself that BioWare still has some tricks up their sleeves.

That and the fact that it's right after the other scene with him does say something's off.

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agmrpink wrote...

Anthropophobic wrote...

agmrpink wrote...

Here's some food for thought:

Earlier, y'all were discussing the Starbaby's voice inflections with respect to Shepard's responses. But has anyone noticed how eerily similar the young boy portion to the voice is eerily similar to that of the child in the moon epilogue?

Starbaby:
http://www.youtube.c...kZuSHpWwo#t=29s

Moon child:
http://www.youtube.c...LloABVkwc#t=18s


I never thought of that, but you're right. Assuming they weren't just using the same voice actor for the sake of convenience, it could be a sign that maybe the epilogue is intended to be a hallucination for the players to experience.


I'd hope it's not recycled simply for production's sake. I could see that for the case of background extras, but it must surely mean something when it's two scenes' prominent characters. If anything, I'll just use it to further convince myself that BioWare still has some tricks up their sleeves.


What I think is more interesting about that scene:

The Buzz Aldrin version still is this giant with a human adult.
The Refuse version is a asari(?) with a child.

What are the implications of that, assuming Bioware did (and left) the old scene like that on purpose?

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So it seems Liara is psychic. These lines were also in the original ending which leads me to believe the calculations that alter her dialog were there as well. Points at 'more to come' from where I'm sitting.

Shep: "How are the casualties?"

Liara: "No more wounded, if that's what you mean." - Squadies will all be at the wall.

Liara: "We lost people. Some of the wounded here won't make it." - Squadies will be dead/on the wall.

Remember, this is in the FOB before you lose anyone; unless you didn't talk to Cortez. He was alive in all but one of my playthroughs. When I get 'no more wounded' everyone is alive. I've gotten the 'some won't make it' line with Cortez alive. I think I lost Javik and Garrus in that playthrough.

Have to do some testing and see if there are more than two different replies to Shep's question depending on squad interactions and EMS.

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Turbo_J wrote...

So it seems Liara is psychic. These lines were also in the original ending which leads me to believe the calculations that alter her dialog were there as well. Points at 'more to come' from where I'm sitting.

Shep: "How are the casualties?"

Liara: "No more wounded, if that's what you mean." - Squadies will all be at the wall.

Liara: "We lost people. Some of the wounded here won't make it." - Squadies will be dead/on the wall.

Remember, this is in the FOB before you lose anyone; unless you didn't talk to Cortez. He was alive in all but one of my playthroughs. When I get 'no more wounded' everyone is alive. I've gotten the 'some won't make it' line with Cortez alive. I think I lost Javik and Garrus in that playthrough.

Have to do some testing and see if there are more than two different replies to Shep's question depending on squad interactions and EMS.

I think it's only EMS based but you could still be right. All of the epilogues play out as things Shepard was told.

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