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[zigamortis]

Only prequal i might be interested in is with anderson and saren and only if its DLC or an arcade game. just make the combat like ME3 and have it just like the book. but other than that nothing but the IT and after the IT really interests me.

[niravital]

zigamortis wrote...

Anyone else got a theory on what biowares reason on why they did not prove or disprove the IT yet?

Why change plans?
They should stick to their original plans, which they clearly had.

Patience, boys... all good things, to those who wait.

[BansheeOwnage]

Turbo_J wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

prettz wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

So it seems Liara is psychic. These lines were also in the original ending which leads me to believe the calculations that alter her dialog were there as well. Points at 'more to come' from where I'm sitting.

Shep: "How are the casualties?"

Liara: "No more wounded, if that's what you mean." - Squadies will all be at the wall.

Liara: "We lost people. Some of the wounded here won't make it." - Squadies will be dead/on the wall.

Remember, this is in the FOB before you lose anyone; unless you didn't talk to Cortez. He was alive in all but one of my playthroughs. When I get 'no more wounded' everyone is alive. I've gotten the 'some won't make it' line with Cortez alive. I think I lost Javik and Garrus in that playthrough.

Have to do some testing and see if there are more than two different replies to Shep's question depending on squad interactions and EMS.

I use the same save and before the EC it was always "We lost people. Some of the wounded here won't make it"
then after EC it's "they haven't brought in many more wounded" did nothing different to change these responses.

That's because they lowered required EMS for things/proves my EMS theory.

Note all the bolded.

Also seems like a third line... which means you can possibly have everyone alive, some dead, lots dead, maybe.

Well to be honest I've never done a playthrough with less than 7000 EMS. I've only heard her say "haven't brought in many more wounded".  "No more wounded" seems better than "many more" but even with 7000+ ems I've never heard it? I call bull.
Edit: What I mean is that line probably doesn't exist and it's a quoting error.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 04 juillet 2012 - 09:26 .

[comrade gando]

zigamortis wrote...

Anyone else got a theory on what biowares reason on why they did not prove or disprove the IT yet?

idk but what would really ****** me off is if they were like "oh we didn't disprove it outright because we didn't want to ruin your little theory. anyone can interpret it any way they want!"

in other words: ****s and giggles, just to ****** you off.

[zigamortis]

XanderLav wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

Anyone else got a theory on what biowares reason on why they did not prove or disprove the IT yet?

Yeah, I have one. What is the point of verbaly confirming IT theory. I believe they gonna leave more hints in the upcoming DLC, and finally confirm it in the "Arrival" type DLC or ME 4. Where depending on your choices Shepard can be your mentor or mentor/antagonist. 

My theory is that they will release a about 4 dlc over the next year or so and 3 of them will build up to the new ending.i think that it will be leviathan which will most likely be centered around the reapers and their creators so you will lear n more about there true intentions and how they work, possible government, etc. the second being something related to indoctrination, possibly something to do with cerberus's research into it and possible reversals and telltale signs. the third would probably be related to harbinger or cerberus and if its cerberus it would have something to do with the control process they made and didnt go into much detail about. and if harbinger it would probobly be about his origins and other things of that nature. and finaly after the ending is released i think they will do retake omega.

[BansheeOwnage]

comrade gando wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

Anyone else got a theory on what biowares reason on why they did not prove or disprove the IT yet?

idk but what would really ****** me off is if they were like "oh we didn't disprove it outright because we didn't want to ruin your little theory. anyone can interpret it any way they want!"

in other words: ****s and giggles, just to ****** you off.

That would ****** me off because I think most ITers agree that they would rather BW said it was wrong before or at EC. That would be a major kick in the balls for ITers and would seriously anger us into hating BW. Not only that, it would ****** me off because that would mean BW did actually make a horrible, antithematic, counter-lore, inconsistent and just plain stupid ending to an awesome game and series.

[Either.Ardrey]

comrade gando wrote...

demersel wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

That's true, although it begs the question why. Why not if IT is true?

I'm not being bitter, I'm just saying

Why not confirm the IT in the EC?
I'll tell you why. 
The press release announcing the EC clearly states one thing - it was not planned. The EC was not in the plan for MASS EFFECT 3 post launch support.
And the IT reaveal was the plan from the get go, which they would really save for the very end.
There you go.
Why spoil the planned grand reaveal in an unplanned DLC aimed at deviating PR damage? 

indeed. I dont think EC was planned, it was merely a response to the fan outrage at the original endings. which brings up the question, who i their right mind would think that the original endings were ready to be released in the shape they were in?! Kind of gives perspective on just how out of touch bioware is with their work. If they are planning some kind of big reveal to explain the mess of an ending this game is still in, then it is likely to come later.

I remember the devs tweeting or something at one point saying that they want to have like a huge wtf twist moment, the "luke I am your father" of video games. well, I hate to break it to you bioware but if starbaby is your idea of a huge plot twist then it's hella weak at best. insulting at worst. unless you have something else you're not telling the fans? only time will tell...

And the Star Wars Empire twist was only that big and effective because no one knew about it before the release of the film, save for Lucas and certain actors involved.

[XanderLav]

zigamortis wrote...

XanderLav wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

Anyone else got a theory on what biowares reason on why they did not prove or disprove the IT yet?

Yeah, I have one. What is the point of verbaly confirming IT theory. I believe they gonna leave more hints in the upcoming DLC, and finally confirm it in the "Arrival" type DLC or ME 4. Where depending on your choices Shepard can be your mentor or mentor/antagonist. 

My theory is that they will release a about 4 dlc over the next year or so and 3 of them will build up to the new ending.i think that it will be leviathan which will most likely be centered around the reapers and their creators so you will lear n more about there true intentions and how they work, possible government, etc. the second being something related to indoctrination, possibly something to do with cerberus's research into it and possible reversals and telltale signs. the third would probably be related to harbinger or cerberus and if its cerberus it would have something to do with the control process they made and didnt go into much detail about. and if harbinger it would probobly be about his origins and other things of that nature. and finaly after the ending is released i think they will do retake omega.

True, although "bridge DCL" like "Arrival" is more possible rather than complete ending of ME3

[BansheeOwnage]

zigamortis wrote...

XanderLav wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

Anyone else got a theory on what biowares reason on why they did not prove or disprove the IT yet?

Yeah, I have one. What is the point of verbaly confirming IT theory. I believe they gonna leave more hints in the upcoming DLC, and finally confirm it in the "Arrival" type DLC or ME 4. Where depending on your choices Shepard can be your mentor or mentor/antagonist. 

My theory is that they will release a about 4 dlc over the next year or so and 3 of them will build up to the new ending.i think that it will be leviathan which will most likely be centered around the reapers and their creators so you will lear n more about there true intentions and how they work, possible government, etc. the second being something related to indoctrination, possibly something to do with cerberus's research into it and possible reversals and telltale signs. the third would probably be related to harbinger or cerberus and if its cerberus it would have something to do with the control process they made and didnt go into much detail about. and if harbinger it would probobly be about his origins and other things of that nature. and finaly after the ending is released i think they will do retake omega.

Somewhat related to your idea, I had the idea that they might do a DLC that seems to shed light on each of the endings. Leviathan seems to support refusal and really blows control out of the water. One down, onw to go!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 04 juillet 2012 - 09:33 .

[Dusen]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

prettz wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

So it seems Liara is psychic. These lines were also in the original ending which leads me to believe the calculations that alter her dialog were there as well. Points at 'more to come' from where I'm sitting.

Shep: "How are the casualties?"

Liara: "No more wounded, if that's what you mean." - Squadies will all be at the wall.

Liara: "We lost people. Some of the wounded here won't make it." - Squadies will be dead/on the wall.

Remember, this is in the FOB before you lose anyone; unless you didn't talk to Cortez. He was alive in all but one of my playthroughs. When I get 'no more wounded' everyone is alive. I've gotten the 'some won't make it' line with Cortez alive. I think I lost Javik and Garrus in that playthrough.

Have to do some testing and see if there are more than two different replies to Shep's question depending on squad interactions and EMS.

I use the same save and before the EC it was always "We lost people. Some of the wounded here won't make it"
then after EC it's "they haven't brought in many more wounded" did nothing different to change these responses.

That's because they lowered required EMS for things/proves my EMS theory.

Note all the bolded.

Also seems like a third line... which means you can possibly have everyone alive, some dead, lots dead, maybe.

Well to be honest I've never done a playthrough with less than 7000 EMS. I've only heard her say "haven't brought in many more wounded".  "No more wounded" seems better than "many more" but even with 7000+ ems I've never heard it? I call bull.
Edit: What I mean is that line probably doesn't exist and it's a quoting error.

It's not a quoting error, because after the EC I specifically heard her say,"No more wounded. . .". That was with 7300+ EMS

[zigamortis]

comrade gando wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

Anyone else got a theory on what biowares reason on why they did not prove or disprove the IT yet?

idk but what would really ****** me off is if they were like "oh we didn't disprove it outright because we didn't want to ruin your little theory. anyone can interpret it any way they want!"

in other words: ****s and giggles, just to ****** you off.

Bioware is either genius or plane simple stupid. if they are stupid then they will do just that. if they are genius they will wait and release it in another way or time. sooner the better id think.

[Priss Blackburne]

The cynic in me thinks they didn't prove/disprove the IT since the majority of people who liked the ending PRE-EC believed in IT theory and they didn't want to make the situation worse then it already was.

I have doubts we will ever get a straight answer regarding it, at least for a few years. If they did come out and said that IT was true after releasing some DLC with little clues in it. I would be floored and Bioware would be back up on the #1 game developer, and Mass Effect best franchise ever.

[BansheeOwnage]

Dusen wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

prettz wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

So it seems Liara is psychic. These lines were also in the original ending which leads me to believe the calculations that alter her dialog were there as well. Points at 'more to come' from where I'm sitting.

Shep: "How are the casualties?"

Liara: "No more wounded, if that's what you mean." - Squadies will all be at the wall.

Liara: "We lost people. Some of the wounded here won't make it." - Squadies will be dead/on the wall.

Remember, this is in the FOB before you lose anyone; unless you didn't talk to Cortez. He was alive in all but one of my playthroughs. When I get 'no more wounded' everyone is alive. I've gotten the 'some won't make it' line with Cortez alive. I think I lost Javik and Garrus in that playthrough.

Have to do some testing and see if there are more than two different replies to Shep's question depending on squad interactions and EMS.

I use the same save and before the EC it was always "We lost people. Some of the wounded here won't make it"
then after EC it's "they haven't brought in many more wounded" did nothing different to change these responses.

That's because they lowered required EMS for things/proves my EMS theory.

Note all the bolded.

Also seems like a third line... which means you can possibly have everyone alive, some dead, lots dead, maybe.

Well to be honest I've never done a playthrough with less than 7000 EMS. I've only heard her say "haven't brought in many more wounded".  "No more wounded" seems better than "many more" but even with 7000+ ems I've never heard it? I call bull.
Edit: What I mean is that line probably doesn't exist and it's a quoting error.

It's not a quoting error, because after the EC I specifically heard her say,"No more wounded. . .". That was with 7300+ EMS

That's very strange. I also have 7300+ EMS but didn't hear it even though they lowered EMS requirement. That means either that line is glitched or it is apparently more important (requires higher EMS) than the endings.

[BansheeOwnage]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

The cynic in me thinks they didn't prove/disprove the IT since the majority of people who liked the ending PRE-EC believed in IT theory and they didn't want to make the situation worse then it already was.

I have doubts we will ever get a straight answer regarding it, at least for a few years. If they did come out and said that IT was true after releasing some DLC with little clues in it. I would be floored and Bioware would be back up on the #1 game developer, and Mass Effect best franchise ever.

As would I. It makes sense for them to do IT. Even if they never planned IT we handed them a way to save themselves from themselves.
Edit: Also, who is going to buy the next BW game if everyone has heard about or seen the ME3 ending fiasco?

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 04 juillet 2012 - 09:38 .

[ClaireAbernathy]

I don't know if this has been discussed at all (I haven't seen it mentioned), but I was recently playing Mass Effect 1, and when you talk to the colonists on Eden Prime, they say that the ship was emitting a sound like "the shriek of the damned." They also implied heavily that it was a sound they heard only inside their minds. I'm not sure if this helps IT at all or is just something interesting that they threw in there, but to me "the shriek of the damned" is a pretty accurate description of the ambient sound you hear after getting hit by Harbinger's beam. It's also convenient that you only hear this sound when Shepard is alone, which suggests it could just be in his/her head, rather than something everyone hears.

[zigamortis]

Idk if what their saying leviathan might be and you get to ally yourself with him. im thinking he might teach you ways to counteract indoctrination or impart something to you to make you immune or more aware that it is happening to you. just like in dreams you can trigger whats called a lucid dream by in the waking world take note of certain things or make a mark on your hand like a big red A on your palm. just make sure you look at your palms frequently and if you look at your palms in the dream you can become aware and realize you are dreaming. thus giving you control of your dreams. it could work similarly with indoctrinated hallucinations perhaps he gives you a visual queue in order to make you understand what is real and what isnt.

[Turbo_J]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

prettz wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

So it seems Liara is psychic. These lines were also in the original ending which leads me to believe the calculations that alter her dialog were there as well. Points at 'more to come' from where I'm sitting.

Shep: "How are the casualties?"

Liara: "No more wounded, if that's what you mean." - Squadies will all be at the wall.

Liara: "We lost people. Some of the wounded here won't make it." - Squadies will be dead/on the wall.

Remember, this is in the FOB before you lose anyone; unless you didn't talk to Cortez. He was alive in all but one of my playthroughs. When I get 'no more wounded' everyone is alive. I've gotten the 'some won't make it' line with Cortez alive. I think I lost Javik and Garrus in that playthrough.

Have to do some testing and see if there are more than two different replies to Shep's question depending on squad interactions and EMS.

I use the same save and before the EC it was always "We lost people. Some of the wounded here won't make it"
then after EC it's "they haven't brought in many more wounded" did nothing different to change these responses.

That's because they lowered required EMS for things/proves my EMS theory.

Note all the bolded.

Also seems like a third line... which means you can possibly have everyone alive, some dead, lots dead, maybe.

Well to be honest I've never done a playthrough with less than 7000 EMS. I've only heard her say "haven't brought in many more wounded".  "No more wounded" seems better than "many more" but even with 7000+ ems I've never heard it? I call bull.
Edit: What I mean is that line probably doesn't exist and it's a quoting error.

So the 1/3 terabytes of video I was looking through to verify the different lines and results means nothing I suppose. I'm working on ME2 captures for a new video with Hellish right now, but when I have time I'll put something together.

[BansheeOwnage]

zigamortis wrote...

Idk if what their saying leviathan might be and you get to ally yourself with him. im thinking he might teach you ways to counteract indoctrination or impart something to you to make you immune or more aware that it is happening to you. just like in dreams you can trigger whats called a lucid dream by in the waking world take note of certain things or make a mark on your hand like a big red A on your palm. just make sure you look at your palms frequently and if you look at your palms in the dream you can become aware and realize you are dreaming. thus giving you control of your dreams. it could work similarly with indoctrinated hallucinations perhaps he gives you a visual queue in order to make you understand what is real and what isnt.

Yes I think Leviathan will shed light on breaking indoctrination.

Edit: Wow when you said "visual queue" I thought of Bakara's crystal. There could be a use for that and Javik's echo shard.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 04 juillet 2012 - 09:45 .

[BansheeOwnage]

ClaireAbernathy wrote...

I don't know if this has been discussed at all (I haven't seen it mentioned), but I was recently playing Mass Effect 1, and when you talk to the colonists on Eden Prime, they say that the ship was emitting a sound like "the shriek of the damned." They also implied heavily that it was a sound they heard only inside their minds. I'm not sure if this helps IT at all or is just something interesting that they threw in there, but to me "the shriek of the damned" is a pretty accurate description of the ambient sound you hear after getting hit by Harbinger's beam. It's also convenient that you only hear this sound when Shepard is alone, which suggests it could just be in his/her head, rather than something everyone hears.

It does sound like that huh?

[BansheeOwnage]

Turbo_J wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

prettz wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

So it seems Liara is psychic. These lines were also in the original ending which leads me to believe the calculations that alter her dialog were there as well. Points at 'more to come' from where I'm sitting.

Shep: "How are the casualties?"

Liara: "No more wounded, if that's what you mean." - Squadies will all be at the wall.

Liara: "We lost people. Some of the wounded here won't make it." - Squadies will be dead/on the wall.

Remember, this is in the FOB before you lose anyone; unless you didn't talk to Cortez. He was alive in all but one of my playthroughs. When I get 'no more wounded' everyone is alive. I've gotten the 'some won't make it' line with Cortez alive. I think I lost Javik and Garrus in that playthrough.

Have to do some testing and see if there are more than two different replies to Shep's question depending on squad interactions and EMS.

I use the same save and before the EC it was always "We lost people. Some of the wounded here won't make it"
then after EC it's "they haven't brought in many more wounded" did nothing different to change these responses.

That's because they lowered required EMS for things/proves my EMS theory.

Note all the bolded.

Also seems like a third line... which means you can possibly have everyone alive, some dead, lots dead, maybe.

Well to be honest I've never done a playthrough with less than 7000 EMS. I've only heard her say "haven't brought in many more wounded".  "No more wounded" seems better than "many more" but even with 7000+ ems I've never heard it? I call bull.
Edit: What I mean is that line probably doesn't exist and it's a quoting error.

So the 1/3 terabytes of video I was looking through to verify the different lines and results means nothing I suppose. I'm working on ME2 captures for a new video with Hellish right now, but when I have time I'll put something together.

Please read my above statement.

[Lokanaiya]

Something interesting to note, at the FOB, when you first gain control after arriving, James isn't there. After going down the ladder, he's suddenly standing at his spot.

[Arashi08]

I can't quote because of my iPod apparently not wanting to work on standard form, but this is in response to the EMS and Liara's lines in the FOB.

Mind you this is all pre-EC, but remember that seemingly unnecessary turret section just b4 you talk to Liara? I did a run- through and did a bit poorly on the turret and didn't kill as many husks as I apparently should have and then Liara said we lost people. Then I reloaded a save, did better on the turret section, and Liara then told me there were no more wounded.

Based

[Arashi08]

Sorry my previous post got cut off cuz my iPod is being stupid.

What I meant to say was, based on the information mentioned in my previous post it seems more likely that Liara's dialogue was based on the turret sequence and not necessarily on EMS. Though this still doesn't explain how the dialogue ties in with the missing characters on the wall at the end so maybe. EC changed how it worked.

[DJBare]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Something interesting to note, at the FOB, when you first gain control after arriving, James isn't there. After going down the ladder, he's suddenly standing at his spot.

I'm having a problem even considering the events at the FOB to be real, after you use the turret the FOB is empty, even the container that was dropped earlier is gone leaving an open gap.

Also note after you land and look out the upper window, you have three soldiers facing the gap, two are firing at nothing and the third just stands right out in the middle(no cover) just making idle poses, that whole scene is not right.

[zigamortis]

Ok stupid question but what does FOB stand for.