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[RavenEyry]

HyperGlass wrote...

Has you covered the subject on why every dead body on the Citadale is bald? Because that is weird even by design standards.

That's one of the things I've yet to hear an anti-IT response about.

[byne]

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...

About the same rate of growth.

Talking about it like that makes us seem like a tumor.

Dont worry.

[UrgedDuke]

more people would revisit the old pages if the info was more concise

[estebanus]

You know what I noziced as pretty weird in the Thessia mission?

When Shepard approaches the prothean beacon, and everything else fades to black, you hear some pretty weird noises.
They sound like reaper noises to me. Can anyone else confirm this, please?

[MegumiAzusa]

estebanus wrote...

You know what I noziced as pretty weird in the Thessia mission?

When Shepard approaches the prothean beacon, and everything else fades to black, you hear some pretty weird noises.
They sound like reaper noises to me. Can anyone else confirm this, please?

Yes, my guess is the VI was altered by Reapers and they wanted it to be found.

[D.Sharrah]

Growing slow...I go away for half a day (sometimes less) and have 8-10 pages to catch up on...if it was growing any faster I don't know if I could ever keep up. In fact, I have resposted things a couple of times b/c I felt that the thoughts got lost in the swell of the current discussion...

[schneeland]

Dwailing wrote...

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Yeah, until lex0r11 comes with a motivational, this thread is not the TRUE Indoctrination Theory thread.

He might well be back soon. If I remember correctly, his transfer limitations are reset today

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

It seems to be. It's confirmed by Javik that the reapers showed up at the climax of their war with a synthetic civilization. They would have also showed up during the climax of the Geth/Quarian war but got delayed.

Huh. I looked up the zha'til on the ME wiki, and it says this:

Zha'til...

The zha'til were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with symbiotic AI technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their homeworld became inhospitable. When the Reapers arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely.

So, the Reapers turned the zha'til against organics, just like they did with the geth heretics?

Well of course synthetics are always going to turn against organics if you freaking hack them and force them to do so!

Godchild is such a freakin moron.

[MegumiAzusa]

DJBare wrote...

Back to the topic of indoc and betrayal.

Just after the Sanctury mission

Ashely: I was stationed on Horizon, you were the only cerberus presence on the planet.

It's highly suspicious that the VS turn up right after Shepard gets rid of the collector ship, where were they before.

You see them getting stung the the Collector Swarm.

[HyperGlass]

RavenEyry wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

Has you covered the subject on why every dead body on the Citadale is bald? Because that is weird even by design standards.

That's one of the things I've yet to hear an anti-IT response about.

There is just to many to be a simple design oversight and they're all waring the same armour as Ashley/Kaiden did in ME1 if I remember correctly.

[UrgedDuke]

does anyone else find the lack of info Bioware has given us disturbing, and what I mean by that is the cryptic answers they give us when asked about IT. Also the lack of confirmation/disapproval of IT

[RavenEyry]

I still think Mr. Sparkle is lying because everything he say's contradicts Sovereign. Ol' Nazarra may have been an unrepentant murderer, but at least he was up front about it.

[MegumiAzusa]

I remember someone noticed that for the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed: there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from being shot by Harbinger.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

maxloef wrote...

Would it be possible that the "wind" sound is actualy the sound of the beam? i mean it does sound like a very muffled version of the conduit beam when you "wake up" after being hit by harbinger?

But then the light from the beam is missing.

Because the Reapers finally came to their senses and deactivated it.

Then the sound wouldn't be there and the reapers win the war, contradicting the message at the end of the game saying that they were defeated.

Heres the thing though: in two of the three endings the Reapers aren't defeated. You just basically tell them to go away and then they do.

And in Synthesis, not only did you not defeat them, you accomplished their ultimate goal for them.

They didnt lose.

You didnt defeat them.

They just left.

You didnt end the Reaper threat as the message claims, because theres literally nothing stopping them from coming back in Control or Synthesis.

Also, as I always say when the stupid end message is brought up: I dont exactly trust a message that breaks the fourth wall and tells me to buy DLC.

Here I don't quite agree with you. The Reaper threat is not the Reapers themselves. It's their harvesting and the cycle that stems from it. Each choice ends the cycle in one or another way. Control makes the Reapers obey an organic and thus he can command them to cease harvesting. Destroy destroyes the Reapers so there's no one to do the harvesting. Synthesis ends the cycle because it is no longer needed.

Btw, If you assume that the Reapers are AIs and do not have any emotional attachment to their goal, just logical calculations - then even the literal ending makes some sense. They just don't have any problem with shifting objectives.

[shepskisaac]

DJBare wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

DJBare wrote...

You go right on believing the release was accidental while I continue to get frustrated by confirmation dialogues boxes that keep popping up on my windows before I can continue.

So you believe November leak was intentional?

Yes, it's the embedded writers script that has me suspicious, what a find!(conveniently)

You do realize that pretty much all Bioware games have BIOGame TLK file (or the equivalent) right? And why can't they have internal story drafts in the files in a build that was never suppoused to be seen by the public?

[RavenEyry]

HyperGlass wrote...

There is just to many to be a simple design oversight and they're all waring the same armour as Ashley/Kaiden did in ME1 if I remember correctly.

A design oversight that led to them not giving hair or faces to every single body? That's a doozy of an oversight, like the standing-in-space-without-a-helmet thing.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...


The Catalyst tells Shepard she will lose everything she has if she picks Control. Even if we dont assume that includes her beliefs and her morality, after millions of years as an immortal space god, who is to say she wont eventually agree with the Catalyst's logic and start the cycles again?

Unless even nonliving metals were turned into half organic metals (which would be even more ridiculous than Synthesis currently is), then what exactly is there to stop fully synthetic AIs to be created anew?

And if nonliving metals WERE turned half organic, whats to stop the newly created half-organic AIs from rebelling? The Catalyst said the 'created will always rebel against the creators,' not 'synthetics will always rebel against organics.'

1) The quote is, "You will die. You will control us but you'll lose everything you have." I think he was refering to his body. How can you have control of anything if your mind is dead? To answer your question, who's to say that the catalyst even survives the transition or has any influence on what Shepard decides to do? If the controlled have so much persuasive power, why hasn't Harbinger rebelled against the catalyst and become top reaper?

2) Will there even be a need for creating full synthetics? There isn't much to be improved upon when everyone is half a quantum computer. Besides, being upgraded the way they were would make full synthetics obsolete and they'd be superior in every case. There's no threat.

But this all doesn't matter because if he was dreaming, it never happened.

[RavenEyry]

paxxton wrote...

Here I don't quite agree with you. The Reaper threat is not the Reapers themselves. It's their harvesting and the cycle that stems from it. Each choice ends the cycle in one or another way. Control makes the Reapers obey an organic and thus he can command them to cease harvesting. Destroy destroyes the Reapers so there's no one to do the harvesting. Synthesis ends the cycle because it is no longer needed.
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We don't know any of those things for sure though.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

Here I don't quite agree with you. The Reaper threat is not the Reapers themselves. It's their harvesting and the cycle that stems from it. Each choice ends the cycle in one or another way. Control makes the Reapers obey an organic and thus he can command them to cease harvesting.

Except on the next page I explain why neither of those means the cycles are actually over for good.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

It seems to be. It's confirmed by Javik that the reapers showed up at the climax of their war with a synthetic civilization. They would have also showed up during the climax of the Geth/Quarian war but got delayed.

Huh. I looked up the zha'til on the ME wiki, and it says this:

Zha'til...

The zha'til were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with symbiotic AI technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their homeworld became inhospitable. When the Reapers arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely.

So, the Reapers turned the zha'til against organics, just like they did with the geth heretics?

Well of course synthetics are always going to turn against organics if you freaking hack them and force them to do so!

Godchild is such a freakin moron.

Hmm. I didn't know about the reaper part. I must have overlooked that. I'll get back to you on that one.

[paxxton]

UrgedDuke wrote...

paxxton wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

is it me or does it seem that we lost a big following when the old thread got shut down

The new thread is moving much slower than the last one.

haven't seen much of Lex, Balance, BigBad or SS2Dante in this new thread..... sad really

You forgot about SubAstris, MintyCool and waldstr.

[HyperGlass]

RavenEyry wrote...

A design oversight that led to them not giving hair or faces to every single body? That's a doozy of an oversight, like the standing-in-space-without-a-helmet thing.

I see what you did there<_<.
But yea even if it was rushed you could have atleast replicated a character with a face and hair of both genders but not leaving it like that state.

[TheConstantOne]

Has anyone seen Henriksen's (Hackett's) interview with G4? In it he mentions that the game "ended abruptly when players lost. Could that possibly be a reference that some of the end choices aren't what they appear to be?

Link to the interview here; don't worry, it's short: http://www.g4tv.com/...ending-content/

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

1) The quote is, "You will die. You will control us but you'll lose everything you have." I think he was refering to his body. How can you have control of anything if your mind is dead? To answer your question, who's to say that the catalyst even survives the transition or has any influence on what Shepard decides to do? If the controlled have so much persuasive power, why hasn't Harbinger rebelled against the catalyst and become top reaper?

I wasnt saying the Catalyst would still be around, I was just saying after a few million years of seeing organics create and subsequently be wiped out by synthetics (which, according to godchild will definitely happen, cause thats how synthetics are), who is to say Shep wont eventually start thinking maybe godchild was right all along?

EpyonX3 wrote...

2) Will there even be a need for creating full synthetics? There isn't much to be improved upon when everyone is half a quantum computer. Besides, being upgraded the way they were would make full synthetics obsolete and they'd be superior in every case. There's no threat.

First: unless being turned half-synthetic eliminated laziness, we're gonna build new synthetics.

Second: There was really no threat from the geth anymore either. The quarians had almost wiped them out before the Reapers interfered. Whether the synthetics actually pose a threat doesnt really seem to matter to the Reapers.

[TheConstantOne]

paxxton wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

paxxton wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

is it me or does it seem that we lost a big following when the old thread got shut down

The new thread is moving much slower than the last one.

haven't seen much of Lex, Balance, BigBad or SS2Dante in this new thread..... sad really

You forgot about SubAstris, MintyCool and waldstr.

What about GBGriffin? He actually tried to hold good conversation; it's a shame he had to deal with the Terrible Trio on his side of the fence