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[agmrpink]

demersel wrote...

squee365 wrote...

Hey guys.

Occam's Razor.

Yeah,yeah,yeah....people are stupid, bad writing, EA is evil, and botched the game. Space magic. We heard you. Don't tell us how and what to play in our sandbox. 

*slap*

[CoolioThane]

DJBare wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Glyph being evil would really be creepy!

I always got annoyed in Feron's email he says "talk to Glyph" but you can't talk to him

Assuming glyph to be a VI then it's not evil or good, it's just carrying out it's program, who programmed it is the real question.

Oh of course, his programming being evil would be awesomely creepy 

[niravital]

demersel wrote...

Here's that post http://social.biowar.../index/11342724

Something  just accured to me: Glyph - the shadow broker's assistant VI - it is the same colour that the catalyst VI is. This is the only other time a tech is using white colour as the representation. In the Shadow Broker DLC glyph states, that he can assume any form suitable for the use of the shadow broker.  There is clearly the same tech (shifting panels) used in the area of the citadel right before you meet the catalyst.  In the beginning of ME3 Liara states, that it was glyph that help to find evidence of the prothean weapon, crucible, by sotring through the data. With out it, she says, she would never have found it.  Protheans poured all of their resources trying to build it, but something went wrong, and they we evidently unable to finish it (or were they?) In ME1 Barla Von, the volus trader on cidatel tells you his take on the shadow broker - that shadow broker has been around for ages, and all his actions alll in all resulted in keeping things at a delicate balance somehow - so the shodow broker with all his action always made sure that things stay the way the are, so no one will gain the upper hand or any kind of advantage - in other words keeping thins at a certain level. And that all he has ever done is consisted with a single personality. In Shadow Broker DLC, we learn that the shodow broker is some random dude, that killed the former Shadow Broker, who most likely also was some random dude. Then we kill him and Liara is the new shodow broker. 
and the only commom element is the old ship of mysterios origin and design, and a VI data assistant, that is left there to discover and use by anyone who finds it.
Kndy like the citadel and the mass relay network left behind for anyone do discover to keep calactic civilization on the desired path and at the desired level, don't you think?
And we spend th whole game in a ship with that thing! (and during that time we're having visions and confusing dreams). And we spend the whole game collecting resources of the galaxy to puor it into buidling a device of unknown origin and function, the schematics for which were conviniently found by this thing right at the moment of crysis.... This feels like a set up. and a diversion.  

The stuff we come up with here are just magnificent and mind-blowing.
seriously, I don't care if it's true or not, and even if it was or wasn't intended by Bioware.

The horrible ending of ME3 is the best thing that ever happened to this franchise.





Literalists miss a hell of a party.

[demersel]

agmrpink wrote...

*slap*

"*slap*"? 

[zigamortis]

CoolioThane wrote...

DJBare wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Glyph being evil would really be creepy!

I always got annoyed in Feron's email he says "talk to Glyph" but you can't talk to him

Assuming glyph to be a VI then it's not evil or good, it's just carrying out it's program, who programmed it is the real question.

Oh of course, his programming being evil would be awesomely creepy 

Glyph is harbinger.... 

[zigamortis]

demersel wrote...

agmrpink wrote...

*slap*

"*slap*"? 

Maby he ment high five?

[agmrpink]

demersel wrote...

agmrpink wrote...

*slap*

"*slap*"? 

A) Blasphemy!
We pretty much responded with the exact same thing

[demersel]

agmrpink wrote...

A) Blasphemy!
We pretty much responded with the exact same thing

ninja'd me. 

[estebanus]

squee365 wrote...

Hey guys.


Occam's Razor.

Hey, fool who has no idea whatsoever where occam's razor should be applied. 

Literary discussion. 

U mad?

Modifié par estebanus, 04 juillet 2012 - 11:22 .

[zigamortis]

Yea he mad

[Xavendithas]

zigamortis wrote...

Anyone else got a theory on what biowares reason on why they did not prove or disprove the IT yet?

If anyone has said this, sorry. But why would they come out and confirm IT this soon after ME3 came out?

Assuming that destroy(possibly reject, but I highly doubt it) is the correct choice to beat indoctrination, once BioWare confirms IT they have shot their wad. The gig is up. People will no longer have any reason to select the 'incorrect' endings. The audience can no longer be fooled and no further indoctrination of the fan base can occur.

If they are going to confirm IT, it won't happen until the very last DLC is released for ME3. The charade could even extend into the beginning of ME4 if they have figured out a way to tastefully let everyone(even the folks that select control,synthesis,and reject) continue their story.

[comrade gando]

What is occam's razor, ive heard of it. Efore but never knew what i was exactly

[zigamortis]

Xavendithas wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

Anyone else got a theory on what biowares reason on why they did not prove or disprove the IT yet?

If anyone has said this, sorry. But why would they come out and confirm IT this soon after ME3 came out?

Assuming that destroy(possibly reject, but I highly doubt it) is the correct choice to beat indoctrination, once BioWare confirms IT they have shot their wad. The gig is up. People will no longer have any reason to select the 'incorrect' endings. The audience can no longer be fooled and no further indoctrination of the fan base can occur.

If they are going to confirm IT, it won't happen until the very last DLC is released for ME3. The charade could even extend into the beginning of ME4 if they have figured out a way to tastefully let everyone(even the folks that select control,synthesis,and reject) continue their story.

I agree hence why my theory is similar.

[estebanus]

Seriously, Occam's razor cannot be used in a literary discussion because of hidden meanings. It cannot be used in fictional literature, it can only be used in factual and scientific discussions.

[zigamortis]

comrade gando wrote...

What is occam's razor, ive heard of it. Efore but never knew what i was exactly

simplest answer is usualy the right one.

[Simon_Says]

comrade gando wrote...

What is occam's razor, ive heard of it. Efore but never knew what i was exactly

Occam's Razor is a rule of thumb that states that the simplest theory in a set of theories is the most likely to be the correct one.

[estebanus]

comrade gando wrote...

What is occam's razor, ive heard of it. Efore but never knew what i was exactly

Occam's razor is a term used whih means that the theory that is he most likely and makes the least assumptions is he right one. 

This can't be used in a literary theory because fictional literature uses hiden meanings. This makes occam's razor useless. 

EDIT: Ninja'd:ph34r:

Modifié par estebanus, 04 juillet 2012 - 11:30 .

[Simon_Says]

demersel wrote...

Here's that post http://social.biowar.../index/11342724

Something  just accured to me: Glyph - the shadow broker's assistant VI - it is the same colour that the catalyst VI is. This is the only other time a tech is using white colour as the representation. In the Shadow Broker DLC glyph states, that he can assume any form suitable for the use of the shadow broker.  There is clearly the same tech (shifting panels) used in the area of the citadel right before you meet the catalyst.  In the beginning of ME3 Liara states, that it was glyph that help to find evidence of the prothean weapon, crucible, by sotring through the data. With out it, she says, she would never have found it.  Protheans poured all of their resources trying to build it, but something went wrong, and they we evidently unable to finish it (or were they?) In ME1 Barla Von, the volus trader on cidatel tells you his take on the shadow broker - that shadow broker has been around for ages, and all his actions alll in all resulted in keeping things at a delicate balance somehow - so the shodow broker with all his action always made sure that things stay the way the are, so no one will gain the upper hand or any kind of advantage - in other words keeping thins at a certain level. And that all he has ever done is consisted with a single personality. In Shadow Broker DLC, we learn that the shodow broker is some random dude, that killed the former Shadow Broker, who most likely also was some random dude. Then we kill him and Liara is the new shodow broker. 
and the only commom element is the old ship of mysterios origin and design, and a VI data assistant, that is left there to discover and use by anyone who finds it.
Kndy like the citadel and the mass relay network left behind for anyone do discover to keep calactic civilization on the desired path and at the desired level, don't you think?
And we spend th whole game in a ship with that thing! (and during that time we're having visions and confusing dreams). And we spend the whole game collecting resources of the galaxy to puor it into buidling a device of unknown origin and function, the schematics for which were conviniently found by this thing right at the moment of crysis.... This feels like a set up. and a diversion.

That... is bloody brilliant. Someone please confirm if there's infrasound around that sucker.

By the way, wasn't there that bit where the Shadow Broker worked with the Collectors, knowing that the Collectors were reaper agents, because the Shadow Broker was under the impression that he could broker a deal where he would survive the reaping?

Reminds me of a certain turian we know.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 04 juillet 2012 - 11:31 .

[Xavendithas]

So anything really big come up in the last 50 or so pages?

[zigamortis]

estebanus wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

What is occam's razor, ive heard of it. Efore but never knew what i was exactly

Occam's razor is a term used whih means that the theory that is he most likely and makes the least assumptions is he right one. 

This cn't be used in literary theory because fictional literature uses hiden meanings. This makes occam's razor useless.

well to be truthful it can be used in literary theory but not correctly. as in literature it can be quite complex and to read the lines without also reading between the lines is not to truly comprehend the meaning of the literature.

[Andromidius]

squee365 wrote...

Hey guys.


Occam's Razor.

Doesn't apply to literature. 

So fail.  Try again.

[Simon_Says]

Xavendithas wrote...

So anything really big come up in the last 50 or so pages?

Unfortunately since we don't have anyone keep notes while discussions chug along at lightspeed you're stuck either reading those last 50 pages or just accepting that your gonna miss stuff.

Sucks I know.

[demersel]

niravital wrote...

The stuff we come up with here are just magnificent and mind-blowing.
seriously, I don't care if it's true or not, and even if it was or wasn't intended by Bioware.

The horrible ending of ME3 is the best thing that ever happened to this franchise.

Literalists miss a hell of a party.

Actually in that sence i really think that the original ME3 ending is a work of art. It implies, but not tells. The EC compared to thet is meh.... too much clumsiness and stupid... It was better when it was brief. 

[Andromidius]

Simon_Says wrote...

By the way, wasn't there that bit where the Shadow Broker worked with the Collectors, knowing that the Collectors were reaper agents, because the Shadow Broker was under the impression that he could broker a deal where he would survive the reaping?

Reminds me of a certain turian we know.

*head explodes*

That fits so well into the narrative that its not even funny (the whole Shadow Broker deal).

Going back to ME1, how does the Shadow Broker know where Saren is and what he's up to?  And why does he want Shepard to follow, and so gives the information free of charge?  I'm not sure how that fits in...

[demersel]

Simon_Says wrote...

demersel wrote...

Here's that post http://social.biowar.../index/11342724

Something  just accured to me: Glyph - the shadow broker's assistant VI - it is the same colour that the catalyst VI is. This is the only other time a tech is using white colour as the representation. In the Shadow Broker DLC glyph states, that he can assume any form suitable for the use of the shadow broker.  There is clearly the same tech (shifting panels) used in the area of the citadel right before you meet the catalyst.  In the beginning of ME3 Liara states, that it was glyph that help to find evidence of the prothean weapon, crucible, by sotring through the data. With out it, she says, she would never have found it.  Protheans poured all of their resources trying to build it, but something went wrong, and they we evidently unable to finish it (or were they?) In ME1 Barla Von, the volus trader on cidatel tells you his take on the shadow broker - that shadow broker has been around for ages, and all his actions alll in all resulted in keeping things at a delicate balance somehow - so the shodow broker with all his action always made sure that things stay the way the are, so no one will gain the upper hand or any kind of advantage - in other words keeping thins at a certain level. And that all he has ever done is consisted with a single personality. In Shadow Broker DLC, we learn that the shodow broker is some random dude, that killed the former Shadow Broker, who most likely also was some random dude. Then we kill him and Liara is the new shodow broker. 
and the only commom element is the old ship of mysterios origin and design, and a VI data assistant, that is left there to discover and use by anyone who finds it.
Kndy like the citadel and the mass relay network left behind for anyone do discover to keep calactic civilization on the desired path and at the desired level, don't you think?
And we spend th whole game in a ship with that thing! (and during that time we're having visions and confusing dreams). And we spend the whole game collecting resources of the galaxy to puor it into buidling a device of unknown origin and function, the schematics for which were conviniently found by this thing right at the moment of crysis.... This feels like a set up. and a diversion.

That... is bloody brilliant. Someone please confirm if there's infrasound around that sucker.

By the way, wasn't there that bit where the Shadow Broker worked with the Collectors, knowing that the Collectors were reaper agents, because the Shadow Broker was under the impression that he could broker a deal where he would survive the reaping?

Reminds me of a certain turian we know.

When i first wrote it i late march we didn't yet know of infrasound. No that we do we need to search the scenes with glyph for it , and comb through LOSB also, maybe there is infrasound there?