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[BansheeOwnage]

Andromidius wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...

Many ITers declare it as fact. Many anti-ITers say it is absolutely wrong. No debating will ever change that.

There's no such thing as absolute truth, and nothing is perfect or gaurenteed to be correct in light of new evidence.

Another reason I hate synthesis.

[niravital]

Either.Ardrey wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Synthesis, I choose you! Space magic attack!

Destroy, I choose you! Exploding fire attack! It's super-effective!

Control, use Confusion, then Cosmic Power attack!

[Billyg3453]

Rifneno wrote...

Thanks for the laugh.  It was even better knowing you missed your own irony of complaining about other people being so dead certain of their POV while doing the same yourself.

Yes because I am. I think IT is wrong and the ending is literal. You think IT is right and I don't see it.

That was the whole purpose of me posting. I usually lurk in this thread and post when I have legitamite question about the opinion of ITers.

Arguing over the validity of IT will get us no where. I will not say you're wrong unless you tell me your right to begin with. But complaining that other people don't see your viewpoint and that they are not as smart as you is childish.

Rifneno wrote...

Once again, you hypocritically proclaim
your opinion as not just fact but obvious fact.  Wee.  Obviously you
haven't taken a look at some of the complete and obvious lies they've
told us about the game.  Or you're just choosing to ignore them to suit
your POV.  I'm leaning toward that.

Because I believe it is obvious fact, just as you believe IT is obvious fact.
Debating whose right is stupid. Complaining others don't see your way is stupider.

Modifié par Billyg3453, 05 juillet 2012 - 12:38 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Billyg3453 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Thanks for the laugh.  It was even better knowing you missed your own irony of complaining about other people being so dead certain of their POV while doing the same yourself.

Yes because I am. I think IT is wrong and the ending is literal. You think IT is right and I don't see it.

That was the whole purpose of me posting. I usually lurk in this thread and post when I have legitamite question about the opinion of ITers.

Arguing over the validity of IT will get us no where. I will not say you're wrong unless you tell me your right to begin with. But complaining that other people don't see your viewpoint and that they are not as smart as you is childish.

Well no one was arguing the validity of IT or saying it was truth until you showed up so...
And you have an interesting sig for a literalist.
Edit:

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 05 juillet 2012 - 12:40 .

[Rifneno]

Billyg3453 wrote...

Arguing over the validity of IT will get us no where. I will not say you're wrong unless you tell me your right to begin with. But complaining that other people don't see your viewpoint and that they are not as smart as you is childish.

Says the guy with a sig reading "If you picked a the option I disapprove of, you're a tool."

[Either.Ardrey]

niravital wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Synthesis, I choose you! Space magic attack!

Destroy, I choose you! Exploding fire attack! It's super-effective!

Control, use Confusion, then Cosmic Power attack!

Uh-oh, a Water-Psychic!! Refuse, use Sucker Punch!

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...

Arguing over the validity of IT will get us no where. I will not say you're wrong unless you tell me your right to begin with. But complaining that other people don't see your viewpoint and that they are not as smart as you is childish.

Says the guy with a sig reading "If you picked a the option I disapprove of, you're a tool."

Lets say I support the Chantry. Mages must be locked away for their own protection, watched 24/7, and never allowed to see their families. Am I a tool?

[Billyg3453]

Andromidius wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...
This is true. IT when it was first founded was just as believeable, and much easier to accept, than the endings we were given. Since EC and quotes directly Casey and Mac have made it pretty clear, IT is not the intent.

Honestly the official statements from Bioware are so ambivilent and vague that they aren't saying much at all really.  Mostly that 'this is it, for now' and 'we want you to come up with your own ideas as to what happened'.

Which is a frustrating stance to take, but I can understand why.

I'm specifically talking about Mac's statement regarding "catering to an interpretation that was never intended".

Except it's totally understandable now to disregard everything they say, I still believe they're generally being honest, especially since this Mac's only statement essentially since the game was launched.

[demersel]

Billyg3453 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...
This is true. IT when it was first founded was just as believeable, and much easier to accept, than the endings we were given. Since EC and quotes directly Casey and Mac have made it pretty clear, IT is not the intent.

Honestly the official statements from Bioware are so ambivilent and vague that they aren't saying much at all really.  Mostly that 'this is it, for now' and 'we want you to come up with your own ideas as to what happened'.

Which is a frustrating stance to take, but I can understand why.

I'm specifically talking about Mac's statement regarding "catering to an interpretation that was never intended".

Except it's totally understandable now to disregard everything they say, I still believe they're generally being honest, especially since this Mac's only statement essentially since the game was launched.

 
Your link is broken\\empty. 

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...

Arguing over the validity of IT will get us no where. I will not say you're wrong unless you tell me your right to begin with. But complaining that other people don't see your viewpoint and that they are not as smart as you is childish.

Says the guy with a sig reading "If you picked a the option I disapprove of, you're a tool."

Lets say I support the Chantry. Mages must be locked away for their own protection, watched 24/7, and never allowed to see their families. Am I a tool?

Oh yes, very much so.  I'd wager you must have the Sears logo tattoo'd on your ass.  But the difference is, I'm not saying that while also preaching what Billygphonenumber is.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...

Arguing over the validity of IT will get us no where. I will not say you're wrong unless you tell me your right to begin with. But complaining that other people don't see your viewpoint and that they are not as smart as you is childish.

Says the guy with a sig reading "If you picked a the option I disapprove of, you're a tool."

Lets say I support the Chantry. Mages must be locked away for their own protection, watched 24/7, and never allowed to see their families. Am I a tool?

Hey Byne the last RVB episode was awesome wasn't it?

[Rifneno]

Also: Damn you, byne, I still have "it's magic" stuck in my head because of you.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...

Arguing over the validity of IT will get us no where. I will not say you're wrong unless you tell me your right to begin with. But complaining that other people don't see your viewpoint and that they are not as smart as you is childish.

Says the guy with a sig reading "If you picked a the option I disapprove of, you're a tool."

Lets say I support the Chantry. Mages must be locked away for their own protection, watched 24/7, and never allowed to see their families. Am I a tool?

Hey Byne the last RVB episode was awesome wasn't it?

Yup. Hopefully North's ghostchild isnt as awful as Godchild

[Billyg3453]

Rifneno wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...

Arguing over the validity of IT will get us no where. I will not say you're wrong unless you tell me your right to begin with. But complaining that other people don't see your viewpoint and that they are not as smart as you is childish.

Says the guy with a sig reading "If you picked a the option I disapprove of, you're a tool."

I've said three times now that I, along with most people, have unwavering opinions of the end of the game. Regardless of the how much debating you have, no one will change their mind.

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Well no one was arguing the validity of IT or saying it was truth until you showed up so...

And my original post was in response to this, when I said no one is changing their mind, regardless of your "warning"

MaximizedAction wrote...

Is us trying to convince others
that Shepard was being indoctrinated, the real-world equivalent to
Shepard trying to warn the galaxy of the Reaper invasion?

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

Also: Damn you, byne, I still have "it's magic" stuck in my head because of you.

[demersel]

If you have nothing to contribute to the thread or are not interested in healthy friendly discussion, please kindly move along and refrain from posting here.

Thank you.

[AlduinTheWorldNommer]

IT is dead. I think it's time all of you moved on like the rest of us.

[Billyg3453]

byne wrote...

Lets say I support the Chantry. Mages must be locked away for their own protection, watched 24/7, and never allowed to see their families. Am I a tool?

If you picked synthesis, yes.

Modifié par Billyg3453, 05 juillet 2012 - 12:46 .

[niravital]

Billyg3453 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Well we don't say it's 100% correct. We don't know! We want it to be correct and we hope it is but you don't know for sure it isn't as much as I don't know for sure it is.

While I appreciate your honesty, this is what I was referring to. You are the exception.

Many ITers declare it as fact. Many anti-ITers say it is absolutely wrong. No debating will ever change that.

Ultimately, if Bioware didn't intend IT (and I'm one of the ones who think they didn't), then we still pulled together and made one hell of an ending out of the crap we were given. That has to be a triumph of some sort.

This is true. IT when it was first founded was just as believeable, and much easier to accept, than the endings we were given. Since EC and quotes directly Casey and Mac have made it pretty clear, IT is not the intent.

To say you're proud of IT is one thing and it is something to be proud of. To declare it as fact is a whole other ballgame.

I don't think we can determine if IT was or wasn't intended.
From the quotes of Casy, Mac, Jessica and others that I saw I actually think that it WAS intended.
There are so many clues in-game that had to be included intentionally.
I'm not saying that the ENTIRE stuff that we come up with is true, but I truly feel that IT as an idea is what BW intended.

Though only a clear statement from BW will say, it's just like IT itself.

[Andromidius]

Billyg3453 wrote...
I'm specifically talking about Mac's statement regarding "catering to an interpretation that was never intended".

Though he never states what interpretation it is.  Therefore confirmation bias sets in and anti-ITers will think its It, and ITers will think its a literal ending.

Heck, he could have been talking about ANYTHING.  He could have been talking about the Intoxication Theory for all we know!

And yes, also note that he's not the most honest or truthful man on the planet.  Or that even if he was, why would they place lots of weird goings on if they were never going to make use of them - dead end foreshadowing is a very bad thing to do in a story, and its why a lot of people were miffed when Dark Energy wasn't even hinted at the entire game.

[paxxton]

Is Billyg3453 a troll or not?

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...

Arguing over the validity of IT will get us no where. I will not say you're wrong unless you tell me your right to begin with. But complaining that other people don't see your viewpoint and that they are not as smart as you is childish.

Says the guy with a sig reading "If you picked a the option I disapprove of, you're a tool."

Lets say I support the Chantry. Mages must be locked away for their own protection, watched 24/7, and never allowed to see their families. Am I a tool?

Hey Byne the last RVB episode was awesome wasn't it?

Yup. Hopefully North's ghostchild isnt as awful as Godchild

Don't worry. I don't think that's possible

[paxxton]

I chose Control. What do you say to that, huh?

Modifié par paxxton, 05 juillet 2012 - 12:50 .

[byne]

AlduinTheWorldNommer wrote...

IT is dead. I think it's time all of you moved on like the rest of us.

Alduin? But I literally just killed you...

[Rifneno]

Billyg3453 wrote...

I've said three times now that I, along with most people, have unwavering opinions of the end of the game. Regardless of the how much debating you have, no one will change their mind.

How is this hard to understand? You're saying it's childish to belittle people for having a different opinion while you're constantly belittling people for having a different opinion about a different topic. You're saying it's childish to belittle people for having a different opinion while you're constantly belittling people for having a different opinion about a different topic.

Modifié par Rifneno, 05 juillet 2012 - 12:49 .