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[Turbo_J]

masster blaster wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

demersel wrote...

The real implication of this is that Shepard and the Whole allience fleet is working for the reapers - gathering all the forces, and putting it all in one place (earth), while also putting all the galaxy's resourses into building the crucible, which is does god knows what. (best case scenario - it's a giant kill switch for the mass relay network, it fires network is destroyed, galaxy is devided with it's combined fleet trapped at earth facing superior reaper forces. No escape. "It's a trap!" reference is very much in place here. Almost exactly the same plan as the emperor had.

wow that ...makes sense ... make your enemy waste resources and time making something made to work against them...that's brilliant! what I would expect from million's of years old scary as hell ( at the begining at least ) Reapers.

oh and how does javik and Vendetta know that they never finished the Crucible/ For one Javik was in hiper Sleep so that"s out, but Vendetta was storied in the Beacon for a long time so?

Don't even get me started about the CON that is Vendetta.

[Auralius Carolus]

Hmmm. You know, with this Glyph thingy... I don't mean to add fuel to a fire that may not even be real, but let us not forget that it was the Shadow Broker who acquired Shepard's body with the intent to hand it over to the Collectors. And the Collectors had to have had an inside source to set the plague on Omega.

So, here you have two mysterious sources that are virtually untouchable and ancient: The Shadow Broker inside civilization and The Collectors just outside the Milky Way black hole. Due to the remote nature of the core of the Galaxy, they would likely need outside help to move undetected, yet still get to their targets.

[Priss Blackburne]

Wasn't Javik placed into status at the end of their conflict with the reapers? It would be a good assumption by them that it was never completed in time since they did not have enough people to finish it by then.

[Nightingale]

Nobody can confirm or deny this?

DrTsoni wrote...

Someone mentioned it earlier and it reminded me, but I think I found where the camera bob starts in London. The last three times I've played, it didn't start until the apartment with the charred bodies, only starting when I hit R3 (on PS3, not sure what that is on Xbox or PC) for the view outside the window (by the turrets).

[Turbo_J]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

Wasn't Javik placed into status at the end of their conflict with the reapers? It would be a good assumption by them that it was never completed in time since they did not have enough people to finish it by then.

Javik didn't even really know about it... heard rumors and not much more. The relay network went down almost instantly in his cycle. The Reapers probably only opened relays they needed as info on inhabited systems was data mined from the Citadel.

[Turbo_J]

DrTsoni wrote...

Nobody can confirm or deny this?

DrTsoni wrote...

Someone mentioned it earlier and it reminded me, but I think I found where the camera bob starts in London. The last three times I've played, it didn't start until the apartment with the charred bodies, only starting when I hit R3 (on PS3, not sure what that is on Xbox or PC) for the view outside the window (by the turrets).

I've had it from the instant you leave the FOB to only at the final push. Not sure what is used to calculate when it starts.

Edit: It's always on the loadout weapon mod screen at the FOB though. I even had it on the loadout screen on the Normandy right before Earth, but that was on my very first playthrough and I've never been able to repeat it.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 05 juillet 2012 - 03:16 .

[Five oH Thre3]

Don't know if this has been added but Harbinger says "ONE OF US!" right be before he hits Shepard with his beam. Also to add to the whole Glyph thing, it explains where the 'hum' that James hears is coming from and why he could hear it.

[Nightingale]

Turbo_J wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

Wasn't Javik placed into status at the end of their conflict with the reapers? It would be a good assumption by them that it was never completed in time since they did not have enough people to finish it by then.

Javik didn't even really know about it... heard rumors and not much more. The relay network went down almost instantly in his cycle. The Reapers probably only opened relays they needed as info on inhabited systems was data mined from the Citadel.

That's perhaps why Vigil doesn't mention Crucible. The question remains why the beacon doesn't show anything about it (though that's probably because they didn't think of it until ME3...).

[demersel]

Turbo_J wrote...

demersel wrote...

The real implication of this is that Shepard and the Whole allience fleet is working for the reapers - gathering all the forces, and putting it all in one place (earth), while also putting all the galaxy's resourses into building the crucible, which is does god knows what. (best case scenario - it's a giant kill switch for the mass relay network, it fires network is destroyed, galaxy is devided with it's combined fleet trapped at earth facing superior reaper forces. No escape. "It's a trap!" reference is very much in place here. Almost exactly the same plan as the emperor had.

Pretty much.

Foolish from the start. When the Reapers have had control of the Citadel in previous cycles, what's the first thing they do? Flood ships through the network into each habited system and then kill the relays. This cycle was a bit different, but the end result the same.

We really don't know how reapers acted in the previous cycles or how exactly they killed the relays. It may be that they come through the citadel, start spreading through the galaxy, wrecking havoc - civilisations panic find plans for the crucible, against any oods build it in time, gather all fleets they can, and try to storm the reper controlled citadel, to use the crucible on it, (since it is obvious to them that the citadel is reaper's master hub, since they came through it.) crucible fires destroys the relays, the massive feet is trapped at the citadel, (which is in the middle of nowhere, and maby even destroyed be the reapers there, maybe notm and they just starve to death, at any rate they are unable to go back home in time to protect it. Reapers patiently harvest - they have clealy no problem in trevelling without the relays, and being patient. Harvest last thousands of years. Then, when they are done, they rebuild the realys, and leave through the citadel (or not, maby they just fly away slowly). There you go - cycle in a nutshell. 

[Nightingale]

Turbo_J wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Nobody can confirm or deny this?

DrTsoni wrote...

Someone mentioned it earlier and it reminded me, but I think I found where the camera bob starts in London. The last three times I've played, it didn't start until the apartment with the charred bodies, only starting when I hit R3 (on PS3, not sure what that is on Xbox or PC) for the view outside the window (by the turrets).

I've had it from the instant you leave the FOB to only at the final push. Not sure what is used to calculate when it starts.

Edit: It's always on the loadout weapon mod screen at the FOB though. I even had it on the loadout screen on the Normandy right before Earth, but that was on my very first playthrough and I've never been able to repeat it.

Really? Hmm...very odd. Still. Anyway, thanks for replying. Looks like I'll have to play around with it a bit more.

[Priss Blackburne]

I honestly never noticed any Camera Bobing kick in ( on PC ) I'll have to maybe play it again later to see if it did happen. I may have just not noticed it for some reason, weird.

[jgibson14352]

i wouldnt look too much into camera bobbing, can that really mean much? i imagine they only put that there to simulate the final, ground shaking battle.

[demersel]

Also citadel - is more like the control group - all the current viable specimen of life. As for the info - GLYPH and the whole shodow broker rig seem to be much more usefull in that. Citadel - control group area, GLYPH - observation and monitoring post.

Modifié par demersel, 05 juillet 2012 - 03:21 .

[Turbo_J]

DrTsoni wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

Wasn't Javik placed into status at the end of their conflict with the reapers? It would be a good assumption by them that it was never completed in time since they did not have enough people to finish it by then.

Javik didn't even really know about it... heard rumors and not much more. The relay network went down almost instantly in his cycle. The Reapers probably only opened relays they needed as info on inhabited systems was data mined from the Citadel.

That's perhaps why Vigil doesn't mention Crucible. The question remains why the beacon doesn't show anything about it (though that's probably because they didn't think of it until ME3...).

Even if that were the case it wouldn't matter. BW cold have known since ME1 but we would not. It's a trap, period. Just looking a little closer at Vendetta cuts through some of the bull. I'll post the draft I have on that VI/AI in a bit.

[Iconoclaste]

Do you propose that Glyph is "Reaper tech"?

[Priss Blackburne]

I think the VI on Illos is it? explains how the reapers start out from the citadel. Can't remember how far it gets in explaining their tactics. I pretty sure they shut down the Relays from the citadel so everyone becomes isolated and use the information stored on the citadel to exterminate the races. Which makes you wonder how the other races would even be able to attempt to construct the crucible at all.

[demersel]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Do you propose that Glyph is "Reaper tech"?

Yes, in the same sense that the citadel and the relays are. 

[Turbo_J]

jgibson14352 wrote...

i wouldnt look too much into camera bobbing, can that really mean much? i imagine they only put that there to simulate the final, ground shaking battle.

I have not looked into it enough to know what triggers it, but it's one of two things. Strong resolve pushing through the illusion thus alerting the player not is all as it seems. Or weak resolve, showing a breakdown in Shepard's ability to stay focused.

I think it's a thinning of the vail. Getting closer to a waking point due to strength of will and determination. A better focus on the mission goal - to destroy the Reapers.

[XanderLav]

masster blaster wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

Please tell me he wasn't sending pictures of me having a shower to harbinger? is that why he stopped calling? too awkward to have a proper villain to hero dialogue after that?

and yes I'm being silly for the sake of being silly

I don't know about Harbinger, but I bet Liara has it stalking you. She doesn't give up on Shepard... she wants herself some Commander.

Tis the reason why she get's jealiuos on Mars if you have Ash as a LI and when you are at the control panal then when Ash makes a good point then liara get's very moody about Shepard making a good comment on Ash.

Also she smiles at Ash when she get's fd up by EVA and then looks up at Shepard like 'You are all mine if she dies.'

Insert Confused fry meme:
Not sure if you are serious
                  or
        just delusional.

[Nightingale]

jgibson14352 wrote...

i wouldnt look too much into camera bobbing, can that really mean much? i imagine they only put that there to simulate the final, ground shaking battle.

I'm not sure. There's no doubt it's intentional, and I thought it was just to make it more dramatic the first time I played through, but it's possible there's more to it. It would help if we could figure out what exactly triggers it.

[Priss Blackburne]

It is a very interesting idea. many intricate measures of control to keep galactic civilizations moving along a path the reapers choose. The shadow broker is the ultimate information broker and information is the most powerful tool to be used by anyone.

I personaly find it hard to believe this is what Bioware intended, but it is a brilliant idea.

[Auralius Carolus]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

I think the VI on Illos is it? explains how the reapers start out from the citadel. Can't remember how far it gets in explaining their tactics. I pretty sure they shut down the Relays from the citadel so everyone becomes isolated and use the information stored on the citadel to exterminate the races. Which makes you wonder how the other races would even be able to attempt to construct the crucible at all.

Yep, Vigil on Ilos explained that the elite forces of the Empire were crushed at the Citadel, then the Reapers locked down the Relays and began to focus on one system at a time.

While I can't remember, specifically, I do believe the Citadel was the key to controlling the Relays remotely. Why the Reapers took so long to assault it in this cycle is beyond explanation, unless the Reapers wanted the different societies to work together, for some reason. That reason, most obviously, would be the Crucible.

[Turbo_J]

Okay, Book incoming... This is not fully fleshed out so hack away at it and maybe we'll have something coherent.

Thessia: Prothean VI Vendetta.

There is a real problem with this thing right from the start:

Without prompting, this thing knows English. The entire squad could understand it instantly. The only time this happened before was on Ilos, but Vigil was active and studied the Normandy and squad communications and possibly that of Saren's comms before Shep and company found it.

Furthermore, its protocol for displaying virtual 3D information shouldn't be seen as more than static or garble by anyone but Shepard; especially if you have Javik; Shep 'understood' the videos, where as the squad mates only saw static.

The first words our of Shepard's mouth are 'We need answers! We need to know what the catalyst is so we can finish the crucible.'

How does it know what either of these things are without any kind of context? An understanding of the English language is not enough. These words are arbitrary. Even if it is in charge of the construction of the 'device', a VI is not capable of making assumptions and surely would not devulge this information without an identifiable connection; device(whatever they called it)=crucible. It would need to ask for context or clarification before being able to answer the question. Security protocols alone should prevent it from doing so.

When talking about the pattern, Vendetta says "It's possible(that the reapers run the pattern), but 'I' believe the reapers are just servants of the pattern and not it's master."

How can a VI identify itself as 'I' in the context of drawing conclusions. It should have said 'my creator(s)' or 'we' as in the Protheans, or 'research/investigation' concluded that... but not 'I'. Referring to itself in such a manner in the process of expounding a conclusion like this would require it to be self aware; An AI, not a VI.

EDI 'posed' as a VI...

"Wait. You can lie?" When joker removed EDIs shackles, there were no longer any restraints that forced her to be truthful. We don't know if Vendetta has such shackles because there is no real time to investigate and it's assumed it is a VI. Even if it was truthful to the extent of its programming on Thessia, Cronos Station poses even more problems with its trustworthiness given its security was hacked.

Of course we come back to understanding Prothean language and visual data... How does TIM hack this thing at all? How does he then understand Prothean language and visual display without a cipher? If Cerberus can't figure out Javik's stasis pod ending sequence and unlock commands, how can they suddenly copy the VI to an Omni-Tool and hack it.


The main clue to this entire thing... Liara talking to EDI in her cabin.

Liara "If I had been shown the beacon earlier I could have saved my people."

EDI "You would have needed Shepard's cipher to comprehend it."

So then how did the squad comprehend it at all?

Two possibilities:

It was hacked before they got there - and not by Cerberus.

It was a shared perception of events; be it hallucination, delusion or real time comprehension of what Shepard was seeing.

[Priss Blackburne]

DrTsoni wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

i wouldnt look too much into camera bobbing, can that really mean much? i imagine they only put that there to simulate the final, ground shaking battle.

I'm not sure. There's no doubt it's intentional, and I thought it was just to make it more dramatic the first time I played through, but it's possible there's more to it. It would help if we could figure out what exactly triggers it.

if it happens on all the platforms and after a certain point in the game, it is suspicous. As a bug don't always surface on all 3 platforms often. Especially one related to controls.

[Turbo_J]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

I think the VI on Illos is it? explains how the reapers start out from the citadel. Can't remember how far it gets in explaining their tactics. I pretty sure they shut down the Relays from the citadel so everyone becomes isolated and use the information stored on the citadel to exterminate the races. Which makes you wonder how the other races would even be able to attempt to construct the crucible at all.

Yep, Vigil on Ilos explained that the elite forces of the Empire were crushed at the Citadel, then the Reapers locked down the Relays and began to focus on one system at a time.

While I can't remember, specifically, I do believe the Citadel was the key to controlling the Relays remotely. Why the Reapers took so long to assault it in this cycle is beyond explanation, unless the Reapers wanted the different societies to work together, for some reason. That reason, most obviously, would be the Crucible.

Delay tactic so they could find all the inhabited systems. They did not have Citadel info and probably figured it was a better idea not to go after the Citadel right away wihtout first getting all the races focused on something else.