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[BleedingUranium]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

Synthesis is what the reapers used to control and make Saren obedient and do what they wanted.

Control is what they used to make Illusive Man do what they wanted.

Destroy is what they would use to trick Shepard with, which makes me wonder can we really trust the destroy option. Is it going to do what it's supposed to. Ie break free of indoctrination or destroy the reapers.

Well it's the only one with the breath scene. Refuse is now generally viewed as doing nothing/giving up.
Edit: Okay top of page again? Seriously?

I didn't view it that way, I had the most hope for that one, even moreso than Destroy. Until Megumi (I believe it was her, correct me if I'm wrong) found the files that said everyone was dead after that ending

To add to what I said: You "win" if you pick destroy because you stick to your beliefs and do what you set out to do in ME1.
To add to what you said: Yeah I like refuse a lot too but it makes no sense to be the "worst" ending. I mean seriously Bioware? If IT is wrong then the moral of the story is "If you stand up for what you believe in you will utterly lose everything. But if you compromise your morals you get utopia."


WHAT???

It even goes against the themes of ME and even ME3 itself.

No, if you compromise yourself, you get indoctrinated, and if you don't do anything, you die.

I did say if IT is wrong

I knew that...

[estebanus]

Hi everyone

I just came back from a rodeo, and I gotta say... That that was the most trashiest and disgusting thing I've ever been to. You haven't really experienced America's white trash without having gone to a rodeo!

Anyway, anything new going on here?

Modifié par estebanus, 05 juillet 2012 - 04:59 .

[demersel]

[quote]BansheeOwnage wrote...

no. Not like geth. 
The geth have no needs. The geth don't turn everything around them into geth. 
This thing just consumes. like a fungus. 

[/quote]
No I just meant they are only sentient in large numbers.[/quote]


Actually i doubt that they are really sentient at all to begin with. The speciec consumed by them - were, so they adopted their characterisitcs. But at the basic level the reapers are not sentient. They are driven by urge to consume. by cunsuming organic life they process it into something new.  - reaper ships, each a nation. They have the memories and knowledge, but lsowly lose the ability to reason. thus the need to feed again. they need fresh fuel to keep their thought patterns working. and fuel for them is organic material. without it the degrade like any person affected by indoctrination - same process and principal but on much larger scale.

[BansheeOwnage]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

I think we should have an IT thread MP weekend gathering at some point. I'm sure there are enough folks for each platform to make this happen.

Just thought I'd bump this because it's a good idea.

[Nightingale]

BleedingUranium wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

Synthesis is what the reapers used to control and make Saren obedient and do what they wanted.

Control is what they used to make Illusive Man do what they wanted.

Destroy is what they would use to trick Shepard with, which makes me wonder can we really trust the destroy option. Is it going to do what it's supposed to. Ie break free of indoctrination or destroy the reapers.

Well it's the only one with the breath scene. Refuse is now generally viewed as doing nothing/giving up.
Edit: Okay top of page again? Seriously?

I didn't view it that way, I had the most hope for that one, even moreso than Destroy. Until Megumi (I believe it was her, correct me if I'm wrong) found the files that said everyone was dead after that ending

To add to what I said: You "win" if you pick destroy because you stick to your beliefs and do what you set out to do in ME1.
To add to what you said: Yeah I like refuse a lot too but it makes no sense to be the "worst" ending. I mean seriously Bioware? If IT is wrong then the moral of the story is "If you stand up for what you believe in you will utterly lose everything. But if you compromise your morals you get utopia."


WHAT???

It even goes against the themes of ME and even ME3 itself.

I liked Reject because it was like what Legion said in ME2 (and I've said this several times, but I'm too lazy to find a quote) - they may come to the same conclusion as what the Reapers offered them, but they'd rather reach it on their own. As for making it the worst ending...yeah, you're right, and yeah, it's stupid. It should've at least been based off EMS...But I guess they didn't want to go into that great detail for an ending that wasn't even originally available.

The Legion comparison doesn't quite work, because you're only using things the Reapers gave you in a literal ending. In IT, you're simply choosing to ignore their bull and fight them out of your head.

I see Reject as taking the Paragon option instead of the Charm option. You're going to make the same point, but less awesomely or forcefully, and you won't get what you want.

Literally, you still have to trust him enough to believe Destroy will actually destroy them. I see your point with IT, however. Still, Reject should still work, since you are refusing to accept his logic, what he's telling you. You're not going along with the indoctrination process.

I think I made the comparison that Reject was the Paragon version of Destroy (since it's apparently meant to be "Renegade," being red and all). I meant it as a joke - and before Megumi's findings - but I suppose your take is more accurate.

[lex0r11]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

[...]

I seriously doubt Liara is indoc. I mean if you romance her, wouldn't you be able to tell?

This. I'm pretty sure we don't know exactly how Asari bonding works, but I remember stuff like two minds becoming one, and such. I seriously doubt Liara could be indoctrinated without a romanced Shep knowing about it. To the point where I'm going to say it's not possible.

Like I said, it's plausible if Shepard is indoctrinated too.

We can be indoctrinated together

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

Hi everyone

I just came back from a rodeo, and I gotta say... That that was the most trashiest and disgusting thing I've ever been to. You haven't really experienced America's white trash without having gone to a rodeo!

Anyway, anything new going on here?

We were talking about Liara being indoctrinated and how Shepard and Liara can be indoctrinated happily ever after.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:03 .

[BansheeOwnage]

lex0r11 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

[...]

I seriously doubt Liara is indoc. I mean if you romance her, wouldn't you be able to tell?

This. I'm pretty sure we don't know exactly how Asari bonding works, but I remember stuff like two minds becoming one, and such. I seriously doubt Liara could be indoctrinated without a romanced Shep knowing about it. To the point where I'm going to say it's not possible.

Like I said, it's plausible if Shepard is indoctrinated too.

We can be indoctrinated together

lexor to the rescue!

[estebanus]

EDIT: THIS POST IS IRRELEVANT HUMAN.

Modifié par estebanus, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:06 .

[Iconoclaste]

WandySilva wrote...

Interesting insight, but this raises some more questions. Why is it that by entering a specific arbitrary position that synthesis can now work, does shepard become some kind of "chosen one" for making it this far (changed variables maybe?)? More importantly, why is this not elaborated upon?
The other part of your post that I wanted to touch on, is that it still brings me back to my original point. As you said "synthesis is, by all means, still "forced" upon everyone", when the star child directly contradicts this possibility.

The only way I could see the Catalyst's assumption to be "sound" is that "being forced" means, for him at least, "being imposed to people in a manner unfit" or "being made on people not ready". If the previous synthesis was attempted without the Crucible's "upgrades", then it can now be "imposed" to people without the advert "huskification" effects. Since the Catalyst doesn't see the Reaping process as "mass murder", I doubt he would care for the willingness (or absence of it) of individuals towards being "merged" for the "greater good".

[I_eat_unicorns]

kenudigit wrote...

Let it go it did not happen. I know you all want it to be an indoc but it did not happen live with it.

This. People are in denial in this thread that it's so upsetting to see.

If anything, the dlc makes the IT theory improbable as hell. The IT theory makes it easy to address the plot holes that were created in the original ending. Bioware filled those in with new conversations, and gave joker a reason to leave the sol relay. How does the IT theory tie in with that? Or synthesis/control endings where the reapers actually HELP organics as synthetics/organics work together? 

Modifié par I_eat_unicorns, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:05 .

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

I think we should have an IT thread MP weekend gathering at some point. I'm sure there are enough folks for each platform to make this happen.

Just thought I'd bump this because it's a good idea.

+1/ i'm on the PC

[BansheeOwnage]

DrTsoni wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

The Legion comparison doesn't quite work, because you're only using things the Reapers gave you in a literal ending. In IT, you're simply choosing to ignore their bull and fight them out of your head.

I see Reject as taking the Paragon option instead of the Charm option. You're going to make the same point, but less awesomely or forcefully, and you won't get what you want.

Literally, you still have to trust him enough to believe Destroy will actually destroy them. I see your point with IT, however. Still, Reject should still work, since you are refusing to accept his logic, what he's telling you. You're not going along with the indoctrination process.

I think I made the comparison that Reject was the Paragon version of Destroy (since it's apparently meant to be "Renegade," being red and all). I meant it as a joke - and before Megumi's findings - but I suppose your take is more accurate.

Maybe they both would work. The paragon option would work too, just not as well. Here's my reasoning. The decision to keep or destroy the collector base in ME2 results in either destroy or control being the only low-EMS options. Meaning you would have the chance to break indoc even if you kept the base. Only the outcome wouldn't favour you as much because your beliefs faltered by using the base.

[estebanus]

Damn, Liara is awesome!

[Auralius Carolus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

 "If you stand up for what you believe in you will utterly lose everything. But if you compromise your morals you get utopia."

Ignore history for it is wrong; change your view on the value of life for it is in vain; condemn your morals and turn on your kin in the name of paradise on Earth for they will only undo our dream. Ask no questions; do not listen to your heart or the crying of your soul, for such things will only break your resolve.

This is the thinking of fanatics and suffering awaits all who follow them.

[estebanus]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

kenudigit wrote...

Let it go it did not happen. I know you all want it to be an indoc but it did not happen live with it.

This. People are in denial in this thread that it's so upsetting to see.

If anything, the dlc makes the IT theory improbable as hell. The IT theory makes it easy to address the plot holes that were created in the original ending. Bioware filled those in with new conversations, and gave joker a reason to leave the sol relay. How does the IT theory tie in with that? Or synthesis/control endings where the reapers actually HELP organics as synthetics/organics work together? 

And what do you care? You got your closure. 

Is there really a reason to impose your will on us? we're just having fun!

Modifié par estebanus, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:08 .

[Priss Blackburne]

The EC did not debunk the "IT" theory. Bioware even stated that it would not debunk "IT" theory.

[Auralius Carolus]

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

I think we should have an IT thread MP weekend gathering at some point. I'm sure there are enough folks for each platform to make this happen.

Just thought I'd bump this because it's a good idea.

+1/ i'm on the PC

Yep, PC here.

[lex0r11]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

kenudigit wrote...

Let it go it did not happen. I know you all want it to be an indoc but it did not happen live with it.

This. People are in denial in this thread that it's so upsetting to see.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

EDIT: THIS POST IS IRRELEVANT HUMAN.

YOUR THREADS WILL BE OUR LABORATORIES.

[BansheeOwnage]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

I think we should have an IT thread MP weekend gathering at some point. I'm sure there are enough folks for each platform to make this happen.

Just thought I'd bump this because it's a good idea.

+1/ i'm on the PC

Yep, PC here.

360 for me.

[demersel]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

kenudigit wrote...

Let it go it did not happen. I know you all want it to be an indoc but it did not happen live with it.

This. People are in denial in this thread that it's so upsetting to see.

If anything, the dlc makes the IT theory improbable as hell. The IT theory makes it easy to address the plot holes that were created in the original ending. Bioware filled those in with new conversations, and gave joker a reason to leave the sol relay. How does the IT theory tie in with that? Or synthesis/control endings where the reapers actually HELP organics as synthetics/organics work together? 

That shows how much you know about the IT. Which is not much. The IT is not about why joker left, and how the crewmates got on the ship when they were with you. It doesn't matter. 


And yes - we're having lot's of fun. It's called using your imagination. Try it sometimes. 

Modifié par demersel, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:10 .

[estebanus]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

I think we should have an IT thread MP weekend gathering at some point. I'm sure there are enough folks for each platform to make this happen.

Just thought I'd bump this because it's a good idea.

+1/ i'm on the PC

Yep, PC here.

me too!

[Rosewind]

I admit though Synthesis kinda looked more appealing with the explanation.

[I_eat_unicorns]

estebanus wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

kenudigit wrote...

Let it go it did not happen. I know you all want it to be an indoc but it did not happen live with it.

This. People are in denial in this thread that it's so upsetting to see.

If anything, the dlc makes the IT theory improbable as hell. The IT theory makes it easy to address the plot holes that were created in the original ending. Bioware filled those in with new conversations, and gave joker a reason to leave the sol relay. How does the IT theory tie in with that? Or synthesis/control endings where the reapers actually HELP organics as synthetics/organics work together? 

And what do you care? You got your closure. 

Is there really a reason to impose your will on us? we're just having fun!

Awww, you're in denial, sooo cute.