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[Priss Blackburne]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

demersel wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

kenudigit wrote...

Let it go it did not happen. I know you all want it to be an indoc but it did not happen live with it.

This. People are in denial in this thread that it's so upsetting to see.

If anything, the dlc makes the IT theory improbable as hell. The IT theory makes it easy to address the plot holes that were created in the original ending. Bioware filled those in with new conversations, and gave joker a reason to leave the sol relay. How does the IT theory tie in with that? Or synthesis/control endings where the reapers actually HELP organics as synthetics/organics work together? 

That shows how much you know about the IT. Which is not much. The IT is not about why joker left, and how the crewmates got on the ship when they were with you. It doesn't matter. 

Your inability to answer my questions suggest otherwise.

No piece of IT evidence was removed by EC. Hell, not even the Relay beams starting in the Viper Nebula (neural pathways, starting at the source: Rho)

Not to mention the alpha relay is no more...

Answer my questions.

perhaps you should go to page one of this thread , first post ,and read the lenghty read-ups before making a comment about things that have been addressed even before the EC came out.

[BleedingUranium]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

Joedogg9999 wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

kenudigit wrote...

Let it go it did not happen. I know you all want it to be an indoc but it did not happen live with it.

This. People are in denial in this thread that it's so upsetting to see.

If anything, the dlc makes the IT theory improbable as hell. The IT theory makes it easy to address the plot holes that were created in the original ending. Bioware filled those in with new conversations, and gave joker a reason to leave the sol relay. How does the IT theory tie in with that? Or synthesis/control endings where the reapers actually HELP organics as synthetics/organics work together? 

almost all of the IT evidence has nothing to do with plot holes and the EC hasent dwbunked a single IT piece of evidence. it actually added more.

im starting to think that the only people against IT are the ones who know nothing about it

How could Shepard still be on earth after the extended cut scenes of control/synthesis? How is the star child liying to you about control being the good thing and IT people think its the route to indoctrination when the scenes show the reapers rebuilding mass relays/ everyone living happy? Answer me those questions and the ones I mentioned previously and I might be convinced otherwise that the IT theory is right.

Because from the moment the transport crashes just before the beam run, until the breath scene, is all in Shepard's head

Not that it makes much difference, but it could also start at Harby's beam, but with EC that's a lot less likely.

[estebanus]

De1ta G wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

kenudigit wrote...

Let it go it did not happen. I know you all want it to be an indoc but it did not happen live with it.

This. People are in denial in this thread that it's so upsetting to see.

If anything, the dlc makes the IT theory improbable as hell. The IT theory makes it easy to address the plot holes that were created in the original ending. Bioware filled those in with new conversations, and gave joker a reason to leave the sol relay. How does the IT theory tie in with that? Or synthesis/control endings where the reapers actually HELP organics as synthetics/organics work together? 

Hi there,

Listen... maybe the IT is not true. Most likely it isn't. And BioWare probably won't use the idea either. The Extended Cut does indeed make it even less probable that the IT and almost proves that BioWare won't take the idea and make it true. And yes, maybe these people are in denial. But, I don't see any reason a need for this discussion to stop until BioWare officially states that the IT was never their intention and they will not be adding it to the game. Ever since the idea was formed, more and more points that favored the IT were made. It is very interesting to see what kinds of things people can come up with. Whether they are true or not is irrelevent. People are coming together, dicussing a game the love, and having fun doing it. Why should they stop?

We're having a great time in here, and I'm tellin you, it,s way more fun to speculate here than going around in the warzone outside! Does it really matter if it's wrong as long as it's fun? Or should we all just be nihilistic and emetic like so many other people?

[lex0r11]

De1ta G wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

kenudigit wrote...

Let it go it did not happen. I know you all want it to be an indoc but it did not happen live with it.

This. People are in denial in this thread that it's so upsetting to see.

If anything, the dlc makes the IT theory improbable as hell. The IT theory makes it easy to address the plot holes that were created in the original ending. Bioware filled those in with new conversations, and gave joker a reason to leave the sol relay. How does the IT theory tie in with that? Or synthesis/control endings where the reapers actually HELP organics as synthetics/organics work together? 

Hi there,

Listen... maybe the IT is not true. Most likely it isn't. And BioWare probably won't use the idea either. The Extended Cut does indeed make it even less probable that the IT and almost proves that BioWare won't take the idea and make it true. And yes, maybe these people are in denial. But, I don't see any reason a need for this discussion to stop until BioWare officially states that the IT was never their intention and they will not be adding it to the game. Ever since the idea was formed, more and more points that favored the IT were made. It is very interesting to see what kinds of things people can come up with. Whether they are true or not is irrelevent. People are coming together, dicussing a game the love, and having fun doing it. Why should they stop?

[demersel]

De1ta G wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

kenudigit wrote...

Let it go it did not happen. I know you all want it to be an indoc but it did not happen live with it.

This. People are in denial in this thread that it's so upsetting to see.

If anything, the dlc makes the IT theory improbable as hell. The IT theory makes it easy to address the plot holes that were created in the original ending. Bioware filled those in with new conversations, and gave joker a reason to leave the sol relay. How does the IT theory tie in with that? Or synthesis/control endings where the reapers actually HELP organics as synthetics/organics work together? 

Hi there,

Listen... maybe the IT is not true. Most likely it isn't. And BioWare probably won't use the idea either. The Extended Cut does indeed make it even less probable that the IT and almost proves that BioWare won't take the idea and make it true. And yes, maybe these people are in denial. But, I don't see any reason a need for this discussion to stop until BioWare officially states that the IT was never their intention and they will not be adding it to the game. Ever since the idea was formed, more and more points that favored the IT were made. It is very interesting to see what kinds of things people can come up with. Whether they are true or not is irrelevent. People are coming together, dicussing a game the love, and having fun doing it. Why should they stop?

And more over - even if it turns out not ot be true at some point, like all the devs together will make a statement "IT IS FALSE!!!" - why should we stop even then? We'll make up our own mass effect final. With blackjack. And hookers. 

[Auralius Carolus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Can you skype with 2+ people? Anyway that might be a little awkward when no onr has anything to say. But maybe we should make a sign-up sheet for a weekly MP get-together or a bi-weekly one for those N7 weekends!
Edit: Hey, guess who on top?

I don't know what the limit is, (or if there is one), but I've been in skype call with 6+ people before.

[estebanus]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

estebanus wrote...
I can't at the moment. I'm in the USA right now without Skype or ME3! 

Well where are you from then?

I'm a danish-american who lives in Germany. I'm currently visiting my grandparents with my brother and sister here in the USA.

[Priss Blackburne]

De1ta G wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

kenudigit wrote...

Let it go it did not happen. I know you all want it to be an indoc but it did not happen live with it.

This. People are in denial in this thread that it's so upsetting to see.

If anything, the dlc makes the IT theory improbable as hell. The IT theory makes it easy to address the plot holes that were created in the original ending. Bioware filled those in with new conversations, and gave joker a reason to leave the sol relay. How does the IT theory tie in with that? Or synthesis/control endings where the reapers actually HELP organics as synthetics/organics work together? 

Hi there,

Listen... maybe the IT is not true. Most likely it isn't. And BioWare probably won't use the idea either. The Extended Cut does indeed make it even less probable that the IT and almost proves that BioWare won't take the idea and make it true. And yes, maybe these people are in denial. But, I don't see any reason a need for this discussion to stop until BioWare officially states that the IT was never their intention and they will not be adding it to the game. Ever since the idea was formed, more and more points that favored the IT were made. It is very interesting to see what kinds of things people can come up with. Whether they are true or not is irrelevent. People are coming together, dicussing a game the love, and having fun doing it. Why should they stop?

Wonderful post . good job

Modifié par Priss Blackburne, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:22 .

[estebanus]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

De1ta G wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

kenudigit wrote...

Let it go it did not happen. I know you all want it to be an indoc but it did not happen live with it.

This. People are in denial in this thread that it's so upsetting to see.

If anything, the dlc makes the IT theory improbable as hell. The IT theory makes it easy to address the plot holes that were created in the original ending. Bioware filled those in with new conversations, and gave joker a reason to leave the sol relay. How does the IT theory tie in with that? Or synthesis/control endings where the reapers actually HELP organics as synthetics/organics work together? 

Hi there,

Listen... maybe the IT is not true. Most likely it isn't. And BioWare probably won't use the idea either. The Extended Cut does indeed make it even less probable that the IT and almost proves that BioWare won't take the idea and make it true. And yes, maybe these people are in denial. But, I don't see any reason a need for this discussion to stop until BioWare officially states that the IT was never their intention and they will not be adding it to the game. Ever since the idea was formed, more and more points that favored the IT were made. It is very interesting to see what kinds of things people can come up with. Whether they are true or not is irrelevent. People are coming together, dicussing a game the love, and having fun doing it. Why should they stop?

Wonderful post . good job

+1

[lex0r11]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

I think we should have an IT thread MP weekend gathering at some point. I'm sure there are enough folks for each platform to make this happen.

Just thought I'd bump this because it's a good idea.

+1/ i'm on the PC

Yep, PC here.

me too!

I keep saying that we should get on Skype.

I've been kicking ass with IT people since before the EC was announced.

[TJBartlemus]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

Joedogg9999 wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

kenudigit wrote...

Let it go it did not happen. I know you all want it to be an indoc but it did not happen live with it.

This. People are in denial in this thread that it's so upsetting to see.

If anything, the dlc makes the IT theory improbable as hell. The IT theory makes it easy to address the plot holes that were created in the original ending. Bioware filled those in with new conversations, and gave joker a reason to leave the sol relay. How does the IT theory tie in with that? Or synthesis/control endings where the reapers actually HELP organics as synthetics/organics work together? 

almost all of the IT evidence has nothing to do with plot holes and the EC hasent dwbunked a single IT piece of evidence. it actually added more.

im starting to think that the only people against IT are the ones who know nothing about it

How could Shepard still be on earth after the extended cut scenes of control/synthesis? How is the star child liying to you about control being the good thing and IT people think its the route to indoctrination when the scenes show the reapers rebuilding mass relays/ everyone living happy? Answer me those questions and the ones I mentioned previously and I might be convinced otherwise that the IT theory is right.

Okay. First. Attitude change needed. Be a bit less aggressive and more respectful or people will start to think you are a troll.

Second. In control/synthesis there is no breath scene. Thus you don't know if he is still on earth in those. The Reapers rebuilding is most likely an illusion that is being fed to Shepard to get his brain to fully let go with him knowing that he did all he could. Also how could everyone be happy if Reapers are everywhere controlling civilizations to the way that they want?? It's like surrendering if it is real. Synthesis if real is forcing your choice on everyone once again like control. Destroy is the only one if real that leaves a semi free galaxy that allows it to choose it's future. Thus Destoy with IT "frees" you from Reaper control.

[estebanus]

lex0r11 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

I think we should have an IT thread MP weekend gathering at some point. I'm sure there are enough folks for each platform to make this happen.

Just thought I'd bump this because it's a good idea.

+1/ i'm on the PC

Yep, PC here.

me too!

I keep saying that we should get on Skype.

I've been kicking ass with IT people since before the EC was announced.

 
Indeed. I remember 

[prettz]

making a vid about Coats right now for the heck of it.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

De1ta G wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

kenudigit wrote...

Let it go it did not happen. I know you all want it to be an indoc but it did not happen live with it.

This. People are in denial in this thread that it's so upsetting to see.

If anything, the dlc makes the IT theory improbable as hell. The IT theory makes it easy to address the plot holes that were created in the original ending. Bioware filled those in with new conversations, and gave joker a reason to leave the sol relay. How does the IT theory tie in with that? Or synthesis/control endings where the reapers actually HELP organics as synthetics/organics work together? 

Hi there,

Listen... maybe the IT is not true. Most likely it isn't. And BioWare probably won't use the idea either. The Extended Cut does indeed make it even less probable that the IT and almost proves that BioWare won't take the idea and make it true. And yes, maybe these people are in denial. But, I don't see any reason a need for this discussion to stop until BioWare officially states that the IT was never their intention and they will not be adding it to the game. Ever since the idea was formed, more and more points that favored the IT were made. It is very interesting to see what kinds of things people can come up with. Whether they are true or not is irrelevent. People are coming together, dicussing a game the love, and having fun doing it. Why should they stop?

We're having a great time in here, and I'm tellin you, it,s way more fun to speculate here than going around in the warzone outside! Does it really matter if it's wrong as long as it's fun? Or should we all just be nihilistic and emetic like so many other people?

Hey that reminds me. Since you weren't here when we talked about it (and BLUR too), earlier we compared ourselves to being on the citadel. Compared to the literalists outside. "It's not right. It looks pretty, calm and peaceful. But it is not right. It is all just an illusion."

It's a joke btw incase any literalists want to take that road again.

[Auralius Carolus]

demersel wrote...

And more over - even if it turns out not ot be true at some point, like all the devs together will make a statement "IT IS FALSE!!!" - why should we stop even then? We'll make up our own mass effect final. With blackjack. And hookers. 

And redneck duck hunters blowing Harvesters out of the sky with shotguns and laughing about it.

Them Reap'rs will ne'er take the South! Gitt'm boyz!

[WandySilva]

Iconoclaste wrote...

WandySilva wrote...

Interesting insight, but this raises some more questions. Why is it that by entering a specific arbitrary position that synthesis can now work, does shepard become some kind of "chosen one" for making it this far (changed variables maybe?)? More importantly, why is this not elaborated upon?
The other part of your post that I wanted to touch on, is that it still brings me back to my original point. As you said "synthesis is, by all means, still "forced" upon everyone", when the star child directly contradicts this possibility.

The only way I could see the Catalyst's assumption to be "sound" is that "being forced" means, for him at least, "being imposed to people in a manner unfit" or "being made on people not ready". If the previous synthesis was attempted without the Crucible's "upgrades", then it can now be "imposed" to people without the advert "huskification" effects. Since the Catalyst doesn't see the Reaping process as "mass murder", I doubt he would care for the willingness (or absence of it) of individuals towards being "merged" for the "greater good".

I completely agree that he would most likely see no fault in the action of synthesis, but I still struggle to grasp how shepard making it as far as he did proves that the rest of the galaxy is ready (wouldnt it only prove his worthiness if he is ``the only organic to make it this far``?). Perhaps creating the crucible and coming together as a galaxy is deemed as worthiness (it would explain why you need a certain ems to unlock synthesis). It still seems very arbitrary to me, and the lack of explaination for why it didnt work only adds to my suspicion.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

I think we should have an IT thread MP weekend gathering at some point. I'm sure there are enough folks for each platform to make this happen.

Just thought I'd bump this because it's a good idea.

+1/ i'm on the PC

Yep, PC here.

me too!

I keep saying that we should get on Skype.

I've been kicking ass with IT people since before the EC was announced.

 
Indeed. I remember 

We really need a list.

[estebanus]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

demersel wrote...

And more over - even if it turns out not ot be true at some point, like all the devs together will make a statement "IT IS FALSE!!!" - why should we stop even then? We'll make up our own mass effect final. With blackjack. And hookers. 

And redneck duck hunters blowing Harvesters out of the sky with shotguns and laughing about it.

Them Reap'rs will ne'er take the South! Gitt'm boyz!

I ain't lettin' no one takin' no ending from me! It's my consia-constitusa- constitsion-uhhh.. American right!

[BleedingUranium]

prettz wrote...

making a vid about Coats right now for the heck of it.

Make sure to add the EC stuff.

-He's the dead Marine that the Keeper pulls the helmet off of when you reach the Citadel. Which he couldn't be, because by the sound of his dialogue before Marauder Shields, he wasn't even in the beam run, or was very far back and now retreating.

-He's always in the very first slide of the slide show, being the most obvious there.

-These were both added in EC, so in the literal ending he's both alive and dead

-More to help with his indoctrinated-ness, he's also seen in the Synthesis ending, and only that one.

[demersel]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

How could Shepard still be on earth after the extended cut scenes of control/synthesis? How is the star child liying to you about control being the good thing and IT people think its the route to indoctrination when the scenes show the reapers rebuilding mass relays/ everyone living happy? Answer me those questions and the ones I mentioned previously and I might be convinced otherwise that the IT theory is right.

I'm sorry, did i hear this right? You WANT to be convinced? You WANT us to tell you what to think of your personal 300+hour expeirience?  Who's in denial here? )))

I'm sorry but i have no interest in discussing sintesys or control, or the catalyst motivations and reasoning. And i have no interest in convining you into anything. I don't know you, and don't care what you think (cause i don't know you)...

If you really want to understand the IT and its' stance after the EC - here's what we can do. Send me 20 bucks - and i will explain everything to you via livechat in skype - and we'll have what ever long discussion, i'll answer every single question you have, and if you're not satisfied with the answers we'll discuss every single point live, and most certainly we will have a lot of fun while doing it. 

[Auralius Carolus]

estebanus wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

estebanus wrote...
I can't at the moment. I'm in the USA right now without Skype or ME3! 

Well where are you from then?

I'm a danish-american who lives in Germany. I'm currently visiting my grandparents with my brother and sister here in the USA.

Well come on over the Southern VA. We'll go shooting! Things are a lot looser around this neck of the woods. Groundhogs, aluminum cans, bottles... husks, whatever!

[demersel]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

demersel wrote...

And more over - even if it turns out not ot be true at some point, like all the devs together will make a statement "IT IS FALSE!!!" - why should we stop even then? We'll make up our own mass effect final. With blackjack. And hookers. 

And redneck duck hunters blowing Harvesters out of the sky with shotguns and laughing about it.

Them Reap'rs will ne'er take the South! Gitt'm boyz!

sure, you can have that. Let it be. ))

[Turbo_J]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

I think we should have an IT thread MP weekend gathering at some point. I'm sure there are enough folks for each platform to make this happen.

Just thought I'd bump this because it's a good idea.

+1/ i'm on the PC

Yep, PC here.

360 for me.

PC here - Turbo_J67

Modifié par Turbo_J, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:32 .

[demersel]

About getting together....we can start with ORIGIN. (DON"T KILL ME!!)

[estebanus]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

estebanus wrote...
I can't at the moment. I'm in the USA right now without Skype or ME3! 

Well where are you from then?

I'm a danish-american who lives in Germany. I'm currently visiting my grandparents with my brother and sister here in the USA.

Well come on over the Southern VA. We'll go shooting! Things are a lot looser around this neck of the woods. Groundhogs, aluminum cans, bottles... husks, whatever!

I'm not a big fan of guns. I'm more of a swordsman, myself, and I'm part of a group that organizes renessaince fairs in Denmark and northern Germany, so no thank you. I'd rather have a claymore than a shotgun!!

Modifié par estebanus, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:33 .