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[RavenEyry]

@Salient Archer
Nope, no chance they'd go to the effort of indoctrinating a nobody like Shepard

[Bill Casey]

Reapers target people of influence?

[MegumiAzusa]

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

I remember someone noticed that for the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed: there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from being shot by Harbinger.

No one cares?

[Dwailing]

Bill Casey wrote...

Reapers target people of influence?

That's true, and I also noticed that all of them were exposed to some kind of Reaper artifact.

[Dwailing]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

I remember someone noticed that for the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed: there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from being shot by Harbinger.

No one cares?

Honestly, I'm a stauch IT believer (As you well know.), but I think this could be explained by the fact that Shepard has just been BLASTED BY A BEAM OF MOLTEN METAL.  I don't think his gun arm is going to be very steady after that (Although I do believe the bob disappears after you reach the Citadel.).

[Micah3sixty]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

I remember someone noticed that for the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed: there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from being shot by Harbinger.

No one cares?

Wow, never noticed that before.  Might be a sign of mental/emtional/physical fatigue bearing down on Shepard.  I'll have to look for that on my next play through.

[RavenEyry]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

I remember someone noticed that for the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed: there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from being shot by Harbinger.

No one cares?

I couldn't tell what you wanted to show.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You're mixing 2 interpretations.
Literal:
1. Control gives Shepard an opportunity to undo the Reapers' deeds.
2. Synthesis makes the whole discussion irrelevant because there's no more Organics/Synthetics division after it.
3. Destroy is just destroy. The most straightforward resolution to the conflict.

1: I dont care what Shepard does with the Reapers. Nothing at all justifies all the genocides the Reapers have committed (Quick math: oldest known Reaper? One billion years old. One billion divided by 50,000? 20,000. The Reapers have committed at least 20,000 genocides.)

2: Synthesis makes the whole discussion irrelevant, sure, but thats only because you've agreed to even have the discussion with godchild in the first place. You agreed to his way of thinking and took his way out to solve it. That holds true even if you dont consider IT.

But controlling the Reapers doesn't justify the genocides.

They are sophisticated machines - they can be repurposed because what they do is universally considered evil.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 mai 2012 - 10:50 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Shameless selfbump:

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I remember someone noticed that for the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed: there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from being shot by Harbinger.

No one cares?

Honestly, I'm a stauch IT believer (As you well know.), but I think this could be explained by the fact that Shepard has just been BLASTED BY A BEAM OF MOLTEN METAL.  I don't think his gun arm is going to be very steady after that (Although I do believe the bob disappears after you reach the Citadel.).

Watch more of the vid on YT, from 6 sec onwards might be more interesting.

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Shameless selfbump:

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I remember someone noticed that for the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed: there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from being shot by Harbinger.

No one cares?

Honestly, I'm a stauch IT believer (As you well know.), but I think this could be explained by the fact that Shepard has just been BLASTED BY A BEAM OF MOLTEN METAL.  I don't think his gun arm is going to be very steady after that (Although I do believe the bob disappears after you reach the Citadel.).

Watch more of the vid on YT, from 6 sec onwards might be more interesting.

I knew there was a reason my aim sucked worse than Church's aim in the last mission!

[Salient Archer]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You're mixing 2 interpretations.
Literal:
1. Control gives Shepard an opportunity to undo the Reapers' deeds.
2. Synthesis makes the whole discussion irrelevant because there's no more Organics/Synthetics division after it.
3. Destroy is just destroy. The most straightforward resolution to the conflict.

1: I dont care what Shepard does with the Reapers. Nothing at all justifies all the genocides the Reapers have committed (Quick math: oldest known Reaper? One billion years old. One billion divided by 50,000? 20,000. The Reapers have committed at least 20,000 genocides.)

2: Synthesis makes the whole discussion irrelevant, sure, but thats only because you've agreed to even have the discussion with godchild in the first place. You agreed to his way of thinking and took his way out to solve it. That holds true even if you dont consider IT.

paxxton choosing control is an example of making a mistake to fix another one. Better to be slain by your enemy than to succumb to his methods.

There's nothing to forgive the mass of atrocities the Reapers have performed for the past eon. It's not just what they do to us but it's also how they go about it. They don't just rob us of our freewill and creativity [our greatest assets] they commit mass galactic genocide and they make no appolgies for doing it. Worse yet on top of it all they do it by harvesting our friends and families so they can covert them into abominations designed to kill and torture us.

I'm sorry, but my full-paragon Shepard doesn't need a trophy of those sins ... he'll always pick destroy.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 21 mai 2012 - 10:53 .

[Dwailing]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Shameless selfbump:

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I remember someone noticed that for the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed: there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from being shot by Harbinger.

No one cares?

Honestly, I'm a stauch IT believer (As you well know.), but I think this could be explained by the fact that Shepard has just been BLASTED BY A BEAM OF MOLTEN METAL.  I don't think his gun arm is going to be very steady after that (Although I do believe the bob disappears after you reach the Citadel.).

Watch more of the vid on YT, from 6 sec onwards might be more interesting.

  That is all.

[Cyberfrog81]

byne wrote...

Is it just me or does the fact that destroy destroys more than just the Reapers seem really shoehorned in, just so they can try to make destroy not seem like the unequivocal best choice? I mean even if IT isnt true, and destroy works as promised, it seems like they threw in all that destroying the geth/EDI/certain tech just to make it seem like a less appealing option, and not necessarily because it actually made sense.

Oh, absolutely. In order to accomplish what Synthesis promises... targeting just the Reapers to wipe them from existance seems ridiculously trivial by comparison.

Modifié par Cyberfrog81, 21 mai 2012 - 11:08 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Shameless selfbump:

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I remember someone noticed that for the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed: there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from being shot by Harbinger.

No one cares?

Honestly, I'm a stauch IT believer (As you well know.), but I think this could be explained by the fact that Shepard has just been BLASTED BY A BEAM OF MOLTEN METAL.  I don't think his gun arm is going to be very steady after that (Although I do believe the bob disappears after you reach the Citadel.).

Watch more of the vid on YT, from 6 sec onwards might be more interesting.

  That is all.

What's with all the Spocks lately?

[blooregard]

shameful self bump of my ramblings

blooregard wrote...

Hmm I just got through Thessia and after listening to Vendetta talk about how the Reapers are "subject to the will of a higher being" (paraphrased) I started to think.

Vendetta says that the crucible was sabotaged by a splinter faction that wanted to control the Reapers and later they were found to be indoctrinated.

Cerberus was found to be using Reaper tech on their infantry and Vendetta confirms that Kai Leng (a Cerberus operative) is in fact indoctrinated

Jack Harper came into indirect contact with a hardcore Indoctrination device (if I recall correctly that gave him his eyes) and thus he became TIM and headed Cerberus

If that's the case then Vendetta's assumption that the Reapers are bent by a higher power (the catalyst?) is mistaken as the Reapers have been the ones to blame for the splinter faction.

If this is the case then that would obviously mean that the Catalyst (A.K.A. the kid that controls the Reapers) is very blatantly lying to you because if the comics are anything to prove the Reapers have no master and they've been in control of galactic events.

Another thing I'd like to point out is the metacon wars and the Eden Prime war/morning war.

The metacon war (what little we know about it) was against a race that didn't want to so they became synthetic and they went to war against the Prothean empire right before the Reaper invasion. now lets skip to the cause of the morning war: the Geth didn't want to be exterminated and thus rebelled against the Quarians and drove them off their worlds. Its not the same but its a very similar situation to the race that started the metacon wars.

Skip ahead a few hundred years the Eden Prime war the Synthetic race fighting the organic races and it lead up to the (prevented) Reaper invasion. We all know that the Eden Prime war was orchestrated almost entirely by Sovereign. Saren's only use was undoing the Prothean sabotage done to the citadel and thus had no other use and if you recall the Geth worshiped Sovereign and for all we know cooperated with Saren as he was Sovereign's pawn. Now lets go back to the morning war. I'm sure we remember the "does this unit have a soul" quote made by Legion/ other Geth notice anything odd about the quote (this is where I really start grasping at straws but bear with me) the "this unit" is implying that the Geth that asked that question was an individual as when ever we talk to Legion he refers to himself as "we" right up until his death. The only other time we saw the Geth as individuals are when they were upgraded with Reaper code (though in the case of the morning war Geth it was probably a very simple form of the Reaper code needed to give them awareness and nothing more).


Well my rant is done but if you have no patience to read its basically suggesting that the Catalyst is very obviously lying to you as there is nothing in the series that supports the Reapers being "subject to the will of a higher being" and in fact many things point towards the Reapers being in fact responsible for many of the galactic events.

[paxxton]

Salient Archer wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You're mixing 2 interpretations.
Literal:
1. Control gives Shepard an opportunity to undo the Reapers' deeds.
2. Synthesis makes the whole discussion irrelevant because there's no more Organics/Synthetics division after it.
3. Destroy is just destroy. The most straightforward resolution to the conflict.

1: I dont care what Shepard does with the Reapers. Nothing at all justifies all the genocides the Reapers have committed (Quick math: oldest known Reaper? One billion years old. One billion divided by 50,000? 20,000. The Reapers have committed at least 20,000 genocides.)

2: Synthesis makes the whole discussion irrelevant, sure, but thats only because you've agreed to even have the discussion with godchild in the first place. You agreed to his way of thinking and took his way out to solve it. That holds true even if you dont consider IT.

paxxton choosing control is an example of making a mistake to fix another one. Better to be slain by your enemy than to succumb to his methods.

There's nothing to forgive the mass of atrocities the Reapers have performed for the past eon. It's not just what they do to us but it's also how they go about it. They don't just rob us of our freewill and creativity [our greatest assets] they commit mass galactic genocide and they make no appolgies for doing it. Worse yet on top of it all they do it by harvesting our friends and families so they can covert them into abominations designed to kill and torture us.

I'm sorry, but my full-paragon Shepard doesn't need a trophy of those sins ... he'll always pick destroy.

Controlling the Reapers is all about changing their method, changing them to stop them from committing atrocities. And as a bonus you get technology that surpasses everything else so far invented.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 mai 2012 - 10:57 .

[Dwailing]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Shameless selfbump:

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I remember someone noticed that for the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed: there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from being shot by Harbinger.

No one cares?

Honestly, I'm a stauch IT believer (As you well know.), but I think this could be explained by the fact that Shepard has just been BLASTED BY A BEAM OF MOLTEN METAL.  I don't think his gun arm is going to be very steady after that (Although I do believe the bob disappears after you reach the Citadel.).

Watch more of the vid on YT, from 6 sec onwards might be more interesting.

  That is all.

What's with all the Spocks lately?

Wait, there were other Spocks before?  How did I miss them?

[Salient Archer]

RavenEyry wrote...

@Salient Archer
Nope, no chance they'd go to the effort of indoctrinating a nobody like Shepard

I know right, Shepard is a total n00b. I mean it's not like he's crucial or even influential; There's no way the Reapers would ever be interested in someone like that. Besides when would he have been indoctrinated? He's only been around Reaper artifacts like 8 or more times... bah, these IT guys know nothing right!

[RavenEyry]

paxxton wrote...
Controlling the Reapers is all about changing their method, changing them to stop them from committing atrocities. And as a bonus you get technology that surpasses everything else so far invented.

For the third time in about half an hour: we don't know that.

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Controlling the Reapers is all about changing their method, changing them to stop them from committing atrocities. And as a bonus you get technology that surpasses everything else so far invented.

For the third time in about half an hour: we don't know that.

And for the second time : we don't know anything. But it's plausible based on what we can deduce from the literal interpretation.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 mai 2012 - 11:02 .

[RavenEyry]

paxxton wrote...
And for the second time : we don't know anything. But it's plausible based on what we can deduce.

I only comment because you keep talking about it like it's fact.

[MegumiAzusa]

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Shameless selfbump:

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I remember someone noticed that for the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed: there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from being shot by Harbinger.

No one cares?

Honestly, I'm a stauch IT believer (As you well know.), but I think this could be explained by the fact that Shepard has just been BLASTED BY A BEAM OF MOLTEN METAL.  I don't think his gun arm is going to be very steady after that (Although I do believe the bob disappears after you reach the Citadel.).

Watch more of the vid on YT, from 6 sec onwards might be more interesting.

  That is all.

What's with all the Spocks lately?

Wait, there were other Spocks before?  How did I miss them?

Other threads are full of them lately

[Salient Archer]

paxxton wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You're mixing 2 interpretations.
Literal:
1. Control gives Shepard an opportunity to undo the Reapers' deeds.
2. Synthesis makes the whole discussion irrelevant because there's no more Organics/Synthetics division after it.
3. Destroy is just destroy. The most straightforward resolution to the conflict.

1: I dont care what Shepard does with the Reapers. Nothing at all justifies all the genocides the Reapers have committed (Quick math: oldest known Reaper? One billion years old. One billion divided by 50,000? 20,000. The Reapers have committed at least 20,000 genocides.)

2: Synthesis makes the whole discussion irrelevant, sure, but thats only because you've agreed to even have the discussion with godchild in the first place. You agreed to his way of thinking and took his way out to solve it. That holds true even if you dont consider IT.

paxxton choosing control is an example of making a mistake to fix another one. Better to be slain by your enemy than to succumb to his methods.

There's nothing to forgive the mass of atrocities the Reapers have performed for the past eon. It's not just what they do to us but it's also how they go about it. They don't just rob us of our freewill and creativity [our greatest assets] they commit mass galactic genocide and they make no appolgies for doing it. Worse yet on top of it all they do it by harvesting our friends and families so they can covert them into abominations designed to kill and torture us.

I'm sorry, but my full-paragon Shepard doesn't need a trophy of those sins ... he'll always pick destroy.

Controlling the Reapers is all about changing their method, changing them to stop them from committing atrocities. And as a bonus you get technology that surpasses everything else so far invented.

But that's making the assumption Reaper-Bieber is being honest or that Shepard is even capable of such a feat. Whose to say he has the strength to resist that level of coruption, besides Control is also a Reaper concept shared by many of the indoctrinated. 

Even still, As an outsider would you suddenly trust the Reapers just because Shepard is supposedly in 'control' of them? And it's not like keeping their technology hasn't been a recipe for disaster in the past. I'm sorry, but these are just the surface issues with control and there's already too many unknowns for my liking.

[dirtdiver32318]

IT is plausable and to be honest its the only reason I respect the ending hahaha..

[Salient Archer]

Bill Casey wrote...

Reapers target people of influence?

Yes, but there's a bit more to the pattern and similarities than just popularity.