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[Auralius Carolus]

estebanus wrote...
My american family were once german slave traders in the 18th century, which is how they came to America...

*facepalm*

[lex0r11]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...


I've been kicking ass with IT people since before the EC was announced.

 
Indeed. I remember 

We really need a list.

Origin ID is lex0r11 too, btw.

Don't have the game on PS3 but the psn tag is the same.

Maybe we should open a list in the IT group.

[I_eat_unicorns]

DrTsoni wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

 I tried typing this earlier, but it was in a quote for some reason.

The IT theory was an idea that built upon the evidence presented in the original endings, as well as several places throughout the series. It gives Bioware the credit for the endings they may have deserved, and that fans were able to compile the information perhaps intended for a unique ending by Bioware. 

Again, it's easy to become immersed in the IT theory when looking at it in detail, and Bioware wouldn't have given us an extended cut dlc if people didn't complain about the endings, as they believed the ending spoke for itself. Now that it's out and the fact that it's free shows that they want to make up for a misunderstanding. I feel that people's belief IT theory is complimentory to Bioware since it shows how devoted they are. This dlc gave fans that did not believe IT some satisfying closure. Appreciating what they did, fans continue to believe in a theory that has plenty of evidence, but does not have to be accepted as the "true" ending. Bioware has enough respect for their fans to allow this (even support it) while giving fans their own endings and interpretations. Because of this, fans appreciate the work Bioware has done through money/time since it is a FREE dlc. 


I think its time that fans "wake up" and realize that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and interpretations.

Fixed for you

Watch that link and argue against me. 

Believing in the IT theory at this point is just reaching. It's childish and pathetic, and the fact that you can't counter my arguments against the IT theory just show how pathetic it is and how pathetic the people who follow it are. 

First of all, I did make a counter argument a few pages back which you seem to have overlooked or completely ignored, as have others. For another, why on Earth should I care what this guy thinks when you so blatently don't care what we do? Now, what's childish is one who insists on calling others childish and pathetic for believing what they want to believe. As I said, it is an interpretation. I'm not saying IT is absolute. I'm not even saying it's true! I'm just saying it is one possibility and that it is one way to look at things. There's no need to call us pathetic for our opinions. Despite all the evidence, think it reaching if you will, but don't come into the thread dedicated to it and insult us.

What counter arguement? What did you conuter? And since when has the IT theory been an "interpretaion"? Fans of the IT theory always seemed to believe it was the intended true ending, but now that the ec dlc is out, it becomes an "interpretaion"? And you go on later in your post to say the IT theory has "evidence"? 

That "one guy" was an avid IT supporter, but after the ec dlc, he came to appreciate the work bioware has done. And you know what? I think you can't accept that the IT theory is wrong and can't appreciate the work Bioware has done.

[zigamortis]

demersel wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote..

Believing in the IT theory at this point is just reaching. It's childish and pathetic, and the fact that you can't counter my arguments against the IT theory just show how pathetic it is and how pathetic the people who follow it are. 

Telling total strangers on the internet what to do - that's childish and pathetic. Go do some homework. Read a book. 

OR give me 20 bucks and we'll talk about indoctrination theory in every litttle shamefull detail. I have a very hot voice. True story. 

lol. just lol.

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote..

Believing in the IT theory at this point is just reaching. It's childish and pathetic, and the fact that you can't counter my arguments against the IT theory just show how pathetic it is and how pathetic the people who follow it are. 

Telling total strangers on the internet what to do - that's childish and pathetic. Go do some homework. Read a book. 

OR give me 20 bucks and we'll talk about indoctrination theory in every litttle shamefull detail. I have a very hot voice. True story. 

I'd pay 20 bucks for Kelly Chambers to talk about IT with me

Make it 30 and you can call me Kelly. 

[BansheeOwnage]

lex0r11 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...


I've been kicking ass with IT people since before the EC was announced.

 
Indeed. I remember 

We really need a list.

Origin ID is lex0r11 too, btw.

Don't have the game on PS3 but the psn tag is the same.

Maybe we should open a list in the IT group.

Yes. Would Byne have to do that, since he is the founder?

[Auralius Carolus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I'd pay 20 bucks for Kelly Chambers to talk about IT with me

Or to actually be a reasonable LI, instead of one of the ME2 cameo jobs.

I mean, I'm a Tali man myself, but if I were to go human... just saying.

[De1ta G]

This has probably been mentioned before. I don't know because I just now started catching up with the IT. There is this one very strange thing I noticed about a difference in the EC that helps with the IT.

Pre-EC: When Shepard enters the conduit and is transported to the Citadel chambers, s/he immediately gets up and then hears Anderson say "Shepard".

Post-EC: This time Shepard doesn't immediately get up. The camera closes in on his/her face. Eyes are closed. Then Anderson says "Shepard". When(or a split second after) you hear Anderson, Shepard suddenly and dramatically opens his/her eyes. You also hear this very strange sound when s/he opens his/her eyes and also his/her eyes are very bright and kind of look similar to the indoctrinated eyes.

[I_eat_unicorns]

zigamortis wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

 I tried typing this earlier, but it was in a quote for some reason.

The IT theory at face value imo, was an idea that built upon the loopholes presented in the original endings. It also gives Bioware too much credit for the endings, and that fans were able to come up with a more unique ending than Bioware. 

Again, it's easy to become immersed in the IT theory when looking at it in detail, but Bioware wouldn't have given us an extended cut dlc if people didn't complain about the endings. Now that it's out and the fact that it's free shows that they want to make up for it. I feel that people hoarding around the IT theory is insulting to Bioware since this dlc gave me a satisfying closure we were all promised. Appreciating their own work is what a fan should do, not cling on to a debunked "theory" that is improbable through the dlc they have provided us. That's insulting as the fans want their own endings in their own way and don't appreciate the work Bioware has done through money/time since it is a FREE dlc. 


I think its time that fans "wake up" and realize that shepard never had to "wake up" in the first place. 

Well you are entitled to your opinion and that is fine that you gained closure from the EC but you have
2 major problems with your statement. 1. the Indoctrination theory is still quite far from "debunked" as it has not been confrimed or denyed and the EC also added evidence. and 2. Bioware may have made the EC dlc for the fans, but it was not out of kindness. It was out of self preservation, if they would not have the bad press and the negative feedback would eventualy lead to their bankruptcy. and if they made us pay for it they would have bankrupted faster. So it was a buisness decision not one of charity and kindness. but as i said im happy that you have closure from the EC but the people in this thread and in others as well do not have closure, as the game was still left on a clifhanger.

What kind of nonsese are you saying? Bioware is a great company as they have made several great games, and they could have totally ignored the fans and added no new ending. The press has always supported Bioware before the ec dlc was announced, and people still would have bought their games.

If it was real business, they could have charged the dlc and been entirely right in their own doing.  But like I said to another user before, I think you can't accept the real endings provided from the ec dlc, and can't appreciate the work Bioware has done.

[BansheeOwnage]

De1ta G wrote...

This has probably been mentioned before. I don't know because I just now started catching up with the IT. There is this one very strange thing I noticed about a difference in the EC that helps with the IT.

Pre-EC: When Shepard enters the conduit and is transported to the Citadel chambers, s/he immediately gets up and then hears Anderson say "Shepard".

Post-EC: This time Shepard doesn't immediately get up. The camera closes in on his/her face. Eyes are closed. Then Anderson says "Shepard". When(or a split second after) you hear Anderson, Shepard suddenly and dramatically opens his/her eyes. You also hear this very strange sound when s/he opens his/her eyes and also his/her eyes are very bright and kind of look similar to the indoctrinated eyes.

Yeah no ones sure what to make of that yet but it's very weird. Talk of defribrilators was brought up (people reviving Shepard in real life).

[zigamortis]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

 I tried typing this earlier, but it was in a quote for some reason.

The IT theory was an idea that built upon the evidence presented in the original endings, as well as several places throughout the series. It gives Bioware the credit for the endings they may have deserved, and that fans were able to compile the information perhaps intended for a unique ending by Bioware. 

Again, it's easy to become immersed in the IT theory when looking at it in detail, and Bioware wouldn't have given us an extended cut dlc if people didn't complain about the endings, as they believed the ending spoke for itself. Now that it's out and the fact that it's free shows that they want to make up for a misunderstanding. I feel that people's belief IT theory is complimentory to Bioware since it shows how devoted they are. This dlc gave fans that did not believe IT some satisfying closure. Appreciating what they did, fans continue to believe in a theory that has plenty of evidence, but does not have to be accepted as the "true" ending. Bioware has enough respect for their fans to allow this (even support it) while giving fans their own endings and interpretations. Because of this, fans appreciate the work Bioware has done through money/time since it is a FREE dlc. 


I think its time that fans "wake up" and realize that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and interpretations.

Fixed for you

Watch that link and argue against me. 

Believing in the IT theory at this point is just reaching. It's childish and pathetic, and the fact that you can't counter my arguments against the IT theory just show how pathetic it is and how pathetic the people who follow it are. 

First of all, I did make a counter argument a few pages back which you seem to have overlooked or completely ignored, as have others. For another, why on Earth should I care what this guy thinks when you so blatently don't care what we do? Now, what's childish is one who insists on calling others childish and pathetic for believing what they want to believe. As I said, it is an interpretation. I'm not saying IT is absolute. I'm not even saying it's true! I'm just saying it is one possibility and that it is one way to look at things. There's no need to call us pathetic for our opinions. Despite all the evidence, think it reaching if you will, but don't come into the thread dedicated to it and insult us.

What counter arguement? What did you conuter? And since when has the IT theory been an "interpretaion"? Fans of the IT theory always seemed to believe it was the intended true ending, but now that the ec dlc is out, it becomes an "interpretaion"? And you go on later in your post to say the IT theory has "evidence"? 

That "one guy" was an avid IT supporter, but after the ec dlc, he came to appreciate the work bioware has done. And you know what? I think you can't accept that the IT theory is wrong and can't appreciate the work Bioware has done.

I would apretiate it if it was a sincere notion not one made of self preservation and greed. and just because someone flipflops between believing and not is not indicitive of a false theory, its indicitive of someone who doesnt know what to decide.

[De1ta G]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

De1ta G wrote...

This has probably been mentioned before. I don't know because I just now started catching up with the IT. There is this one very strange thing I noticed about a difference in the EC that helps with the IT.

Pre-EC: When Shepard enters the conduit and is transported to the Citadel chambers, s/he immediately gets up and then hears Anderson say "Shepard".

Post-EC: This time Shepard doesn't immediately get up. The camera closes in on his/her face. Eyes are closed. Then Anderson says "Shepard". When(or a split second after) you hear Anderson, Shepard suddenly and dramatically opens his/her eyes. You also hear this very strange sound when s/he opens his/her eyes and also his/her eyes are very bright and kind of look similar to the indoctrinated eyes.

Yeah no ones sure what to make of that yet but it's very weird. Talk of defribrilators was brought up (people reviving Shepard in real life).

It's actually kind of freaky. My biggest question is why BioWare would change that scene?

[BansheeOwnage]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I'd pay 20 bucks for Kelly Chambers to talk about IT with me

Or to actually be a reasonable LI, instead of one of the ME2 cameo jobs.

I mean, I'm a Tali man myself, but if I were to go human... just saying.

Yeah that would be nice. Some characters were left behind. Why I don't like James Vega. By that I don't mean the character I mean the fact that he exists. James is pretty cool and likable. But he replaced a potential squadmate that we liked better. Judging from his powers/health, a krogan. Wrex is the only ME1 squadmate not in ME3? WTF?

[zigamortis]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

 I tried typing this earlier, but it was in a quote for some reason.

The IT theory at face value imo, was an idea that built upon the loopholes presented in the original endings. It also gives Bioware too much credit for the endings, and that fans were able to come up with a more unique ending than Bioware. 

Again, it's easy to become immersed in the IT theory when looking at it in detail, but Bioware wouldn't have given us an extended cut dlc if people didn't complain about the endings. Now that it's out and the fact that it's free shows that they want to make up for it. I feel that people hoarding around the IT theory is insulting to Bioware since this dlc gave me a satisfying closure we were all promised. Appreciating their own work is what a fan should do, not cling on to a debunked "theory" that is improbable through the dlc they have provided us. That's insulting as the fans want their own endings in their own way and don't appreciate the work Bioware has done through money/time since it is a FREE dlc. 


I think its time that fans "wake up" and realize that shepard never had to "wake up" in the first place. 

Well you are entitled to your opinion and that is fine that you gained closure from the EC but you have
2 major problems with your statement. 1. the Indoctrination theory is still quite far from "debunked" as it has not been confrimed or denyed and the EC also added evidence. and 2. Bioware may have made the EC dlc for the fans, but it was not out of kindness. It was out of self preservation, if they would not have the bad press and the negative feedback would eventualy lead to their bankruptcy. and if they made us pay for it they would have bankrupted faster. So it was a buisness decision not one of charity and kindness. but as i said im happy that you have closure from the EC but the people in this thread and in others as well do not have closure, as the game was still left on a clifhanger.

What kind of nonsese are you saying? Bioware is a great company as they have made several great games, and they could have totally ignored the fans and added no new ending. The press has always supported Bioware before the ec dlc was announced, and people still would have bought their games.

If it was real business, they could have charged the dlc and been entirely right in their own doing.  But like I said to another user before, I think you can't accept the real endings provided from the ec dlc, and can't appreciate the work Bioware has done.

Aparently you do not grasp the concept of saving your own ass. any major buisness would have IMMEDEATLY went into damage control after the problem with the ending. and go ask forbes if they supported bioware. they are press as well. and its quite ignorant to say ALL press supported bioware. And if they were to charge for it.... well just ask any major company if they think that charging for a fix is a good idea. ill give you a hint few will think it is.

Modifié par zigamortis, 05 juillet 2012 - 06:23 .

[demersel]

De1ta G wrote...

It's actually kind of freaky. My biggest question is why BioWare would change that scene?

Why, to add clarity, of course! Now there is CLEARLY something wrong and amiss with that scene. )))

[TJBartlemus]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

What counter arguement? What did you conuter? And since when has the IT theory been an "interpretaion"? Fans of the IT theory always seemed to believe it was the intended true ending, but now that the ec dlc is out, it becomes an "interpretaion"? And you go on later in your post to say the IT theory has "evidence"? 

That "one guy" was an avid IT supporter, but after the ec dlc, he came to appreciate the work bioware has done. And you know what? I think you can't accept that the IT theory is wrong and can't appreciate the work Bioware has done.

Who is the one guy?? If you are talking about me then I can just say that I can believe in multiple things. I still believe in IT. I also believe in my Waking Nightmare Theory. I can also believe that the literalists could be right. I appreciate all the work BioWare has done. They worked hard and gave us an amazing game. I have been a fan of the series for a long time and I am absolutly satisfied on how they ended it. 

My mind however like yours is open to things and interpretations. You seem narrowminded and closed to peoples opinions. Anyway. Good day to you. 

[BansheeOwnage]

De1ta G wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

De1ta G wrote...

This has probably been mentioned before. I don't know because I just now started catching up with the IT. There is this one very strange thing I noticed about a difference in the EC that helps with the IT.

Pre-EC: When Shepard enters the conduit and is transported to the Citadel chambers, s/he immediately gets up and then hears Anderson say "Shepard".

Post-EC: This time Shepard doesn't immediately get up. The camera closes in on his/her face. Eyes are closed. Then Anderson says "Shepard". When(or a split second after) you hear Anderson, Shepard suddenly and dramatically opens his/her eyes. You also hear this very strange sound when s/he opens his/her eyes and also his/her eyes are very bright and kind of look similar to the indoctrinated eyes.

Yeah no ones sure what to make of that yet but it's very weird. Talk of defribrilators was brought up (people reviving Shepard in real life).

It's actually kind of freaky. My biggest question is why BioWare would change that scene?

Good question. Here's another:
Why didn't they change the relay chain reaction scene starting at the Viper nubula? Everyone knows that scene makes no sense and more importantly points to IT.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 05 juillet 2012 - 06:25 .

[Nightingale]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...
What counter arguement? What did you conuter? And since when has the IT theory been an "interpretaion"? Fans of the IT theory always seemed to believe it was the intended true ending, but now that the ec dlc is out, it becomes an "interpretaion"? And you go on later in your post to say the IT theory has "evidence"? 

That "one guy" was an avid IT supporter, but after the ec dlc, he came to appreciate the work bioware has done. And you know what? I think you can't accept that the IT theory is wrong and can't appreciate the work Bioware has done.

I can't speak for anyone else, but it has always been an interpretation to me. Despite what malcontents (perhaps like yourself if I'm to infer from your statements that you disliked the endings until EC) may think, we don't all hate the endings as they stand. I know I don't, anyway.
As far as evidence goes (and it has not been disproven, therefore it is not wrong), if you took the time to go through the thread, you'd see more than enough for yourself, as well as my, and others', counter arguments. In addition to all of that as well as the videos, information on the first page, etc. the most recent and compelling is the infrasound. I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you, but if you're interested, please see HellishFiend's videos on YouTube.

[lex0r11]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

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What kind of nonsese are you saying? Bioware is a great company as they have made several great games, and they could have totally ignored the fans and added no new ending. The press has always supported Bioware before the ec dlc was announced, and people still would have bought their games.

If it was real business, they could have charged the dlc and been entirely right in their own doing.  But like I said to another user before, I think you can't accept the real endings provided from the ec dlc, and can't appreciate the work Bioware has done.

What are YOU talking about? The press, all of them, supported BioWare? Did you read ALL of it? They made great games and could have ignored the criticism of the customers? That is just insane. Image is everything. E V E R Y T H I N G.

And who said that he doesn't appreciate the EC or the work put in it?
Do you actually realize that the core of IT functions based on the endings BEFORE the EC? Nothing has to be "changed" or anything.

And most importantly, and I'm sure many people asked the same question, did BioWare acutally confirm or deny anything?

[Either.Ardrey]

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

I think we should have an IT thread MP weekend gathering at some point. I'm sure there are enough folks for each platform to make this happen.

Just thought I'd bump this because it's a good idea.

+1/ i'm on the PC

PC as well. It'd be nice to have nametags to recognize as well (since I don't really know anybody yet on Origin).

[Auralius Carolus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Good question. Here's another:
Why didn't they change the relay chain reaction scene starting at the Viper nubula? Everyone knows that scene makes no sense and more importantly points to IT.

I actually don't think that's the Viper Nebula. It's on an outer arm of the Galaxy, but if memory serves, it doesn't line up.

But most importantly, it's not Sol.

[Nightingale]

Well, it's late here so I'm off for the night. Try not to poke at the troll too badly, I don't think they like it much

Anyway, see you all tomorrow!

Edit: Just before I go, to the above post, I played Arrival today. Pretty sure it's not the Alpha Relay, but it's still definitely not Sol.

Modifié par DrTsoni, 05 juillet 2012 - 06:31 .

[Auralius Carolus]

Either.Ardrey wrote...

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

I think we should have an IT thread MP weekend gathering at some point. I'm sure there are enough folks for each platform to make this happen.

Just thought I'd bump this because it's a good idea.

+1/ i'm on the PC

PC as well. It'd be nice to have nametags to recognize as well (since I don't really know anybody yet on Origin).

Captain Derples

Normally I'm playing as a Cerberus Adept or Quarian Eng.

[zigamortis]

Meh im a 360 player Ace1028 if anyones interested.

[BansheeOwnage]

DrTsoni wrote...

Well, it's late here so I'm off for the night. Try not to poke at the troll too badly, I don't think they like it much

Anyway, see you all tomorrow!

See ya!